“Identify the Chord of Your Intent”

“Questions About Pets”

“Questions about Rose’s Native Environment”

“The Lovingkindness of Rose”

Session 255 (Group/Castaic, California)

Saturday, June 07, 2008

Participants: Joanne (Tyl), Joyce, Shireen, Boris, Ursula, George, Sarah, Michael, Cat, Bob, Paul (Caroll), and Rumi the cat.

(Rose Arrives: 4:44 PM. Arrival time 49 seconds.)

ROSE: (Softly, pace is slow) The way of spirit, in your terms, is a very “weany” way, (Joanne chuckles) as well as a “weany” way of saying that you need to wean yourselves of your fears. So weany girl[1] here is a good one to allow into your minds for a moment to allow her situation to beautifully, expertly be included in your sometimes fearful minds.

Sontering[2] the weany girl is what we will suggest tonight, to allow her into your thinking as a sort of final focus type that would be included in your wanting to allow, in your terms, Elias’ definition of [a] final focus.[3] She [Joanne] is allowed to be a geanius channeler by you who want to do similar expressions – in her way of spirit, in her way of finding bliss. She allows Rose into herself – in a sense, we are always in her – but in your terms, she is demonstrating this in ways that you don’t allow, in many ways, by instantaneously allowing Rose into your minds.

Now, with the weany girl, she will – in your way of finding her – be a good model for you, for she has fears, too. She has fears that you would consider provocative. She has a fear of embarrassment that is deeply influenced by early allowances of trauma, and she does allow this to be a very potentially damaging thing to her expressions of self, for she is herself in addition to Rose. So she feals[4] what you may throw at her, and she will fear things like you do, and she will say things that will not be what she wants to say, for Rose does test, but she ploughs through, and this is what you allow to be a model for you, if you choose to youse[5] this.

She, in many ways, is a very brave individual. As we will say as well, that she is a very fearful individual as well, but she doesn’t allow the fears to get the hell in her way. That’s the only thing that she does that is different than what many of you do already.

So allowing fear is the point. To allow fear is to trust that you have what you need to get over the fear, and move into areas that you find fulfilling, (Joanne chuckles) for every day that she allows Rose is a daring expression of her deepest selves. In many ways, her selves are her wanting to call to her to allow more bliss into her lives. In many ways, her many focuses want to allow your wonderful Joanne into their experiences. To say, in many ways, that the contrary Joanne is wanting to become them, is a different way to say this.

She’s a final focus. She is wanting to – contrary, in many ways, to your assumptions – try to become them, and they are becoming her. And when you have that contrary way of getting out of your skin, in a sense, you allow more bliss into your skin. In many ways, your skin is every bit as wondrous as spirit would have you believe heaven is. You contrarily don’t want to allow yourself to be in your skins, but to say, in your terms, what a beautiful expression your skin is, is the very big point here.

So to allow your questions [is] what we want to begin with, [but] prior to our discussion, that is, [you] were discussing the way that you have to realize that you have more than you allow. This is your way of saying that you want to allow more bliss in, and you can trust that we are wanting to say more, but we want to allow you to realize the questions first. So try to think back on your discussion earlier, and say a few words about your way of finding bliss, as well as allowing fears to dissipate – to allow you more bliss every day. So do so.

And we’ll begin with the weany boy.

PAUL: (Humorously) Oh, put me on the spot. Huh! Well in terms of fears, I guess, I have a spectrum where I begin with doubt, and then that turns into anxiety, and then that turns into all out fear. So it’s sort of the spectrum for me, and that’s how I look at the process that I go through. Of course, minimizing those things does lead to relaxation, presence, awareness, awakeness, and bliss.

So, the other part of that for me is, I have to say, the work I’ve done with Elias and his NIRAA practice, which has been so foundational for me dealing with shadow elements.[6] I know you haven’t mentioned shadow, Rose, but fear and whatever gets into shadow, and its fear. That’s that whole Noticing, Identifying, Recognizing, Addressing-to and Acceptance of Self teaching, and with the goal of acceptance, of course, is neutralization of fear.

ROSE: (Pace picks up) The allowance of essence into your psyche, your pronouncements of physicality, the way you find fun and realize pain is, in many ways, your own chreation. The many ways you feal good, in your terms, are all ways that you realize essence in your days, and finding fear is why you need to allow more, for allowing more essence means that you find less fear in your days.

So try to imagine that you have a sort of “fine fear” in your way of spirit that allows you to fine-tune the many ways you go about fealing better. So you can fine-tune your fears to allow you more ways to complement the way you have to take charge of your lives. You do, in many ways, do this, but you have a sort of fine-tuning that needs to occur in order to realize that you need only to trust Self. And we mean trust Self in many ways – that you won’t be realizing embarrassment if you don’t fear embarrassment, if you don’t find only trust in your days in ways that will be only courageously moving through your fears. That will be how you complement the ways that you want to beautifully chreate[7] your reality.

So fine-tune your fears to allow you your fine lives to occur in ways that you won’t fear, as well as won’t only fear. For fear is only the way you have of fine-tuning the best self that you have in store, for you have in store for yourselves a variety of selves to tune into, if you only would fear only what you need to fear. And in this, you’ll have a very fine way to go about your days without the mishegas[8] (Joanne laughs) of finding self, in your terms, dear ones, and finding only bliss. This is the way of spirit. Not fearing only to fear, but fearing to fine-tune the best selves you can be.

Now we’ll allow you to ask questions if you choose. This can be on any topic, dear ones.

PAUL: I just want to follow up with that. Just some of the impressions I’m getting, too, that you reminded me of your talk about fear – back in February at our first Potluck, Shireen brought up the topic of fearlessness, and then Rose, you mentioned that the way of spirit is fearlessness, and you riffed on that a little bit.[9] So I just wanted to mention that.

Also, the Buddhists have a notion of suffering in some of their core teachings, and all sorts of suffering and fear certainly overlap here. But one of their practices that’s quite beautiful and simple is called “grasping and aversion” – identifying the things that we hold onto, and the things that we fear and push away. In learning to notice, and recognize, and address to those things reduces the fear. And I think that’s what you mean by fine-tuning your fear, and allowing fear. Is that correct?

ROSE: You’re correct, and to say that we would allow fear is another part of this teaching, because allowing fear to occur is healthy in many ways. You will fear. You will need to fear because you need fear to guide you to safety, to [find] less trauma, to find less stress in your ways. For stress is another form of fear, in many ways, but fear also allows you to fear less by allowing you to move through it, and to take action to move through fear is why fear exists.

The fear you know is only a sort of flag that you have to allow yourself to know to move through something, because you ultimately don’t need fear one bit. Fearlessness is the way of spirit, but you will fear in the meantime, in a sense. The way of spirit is to allow you to youse fear, and to allow you to move into selves that you want to be. So fear is a geanius[10] way to tell yourselves that you need only to not do so, in the sense that if you do fear, that it is to take action. So try to remain calm when you fear, and you’ll find that you’ll move through things in more ways than if you don’t and you allow fear to take over.

Try to just do it. Just do it. The Nike ad is, in many ways, true.[11] So try to just do it when you feal that you need to only fear. We’ll say more about this at another time, but for now, we want to allow you to ask questions, dear ones.

(No takers!)

ROSE: The many questions you had (Paul laughs) earlier were very good ones. They were things like fine-tuning the way of spirit for yourselves. You have a geanius way of finding bliss in your days. You have a way of finding solace in your days. You have a way of finding only truth in your days. So tell Rose….

(To Shireen and Boris who just arrived.) Welcome, dear ones!

SHIREEN: Sorry if we’re late.

ROSE: Do come in to our…

PAUL: There’s no late.

ROSE: …Rose Garden.

SHIREEN: Thank you.

ROSE: You’re very welcome. To say more about fear is why you did want to come in at this time, dear Shireen.

SHIREEN: Oh, really!

ROSE: We were talking about you earlier, and we were saying that you had a fearless question…

PAUL: Yes, we invoked your name – this is the fearless Shireen.

ROSE: …in a previous session.

(Shireen laughs) Yes, good timing! And we have a sontering for you. We want to sonter you now. We want to take you in as the fearless creature that you are. Now everyone, fear not, sontering is “breathing in the best selves you can be,” so fearless selves that you are, [breathe] in dear Shireen here to serve as a model for fearlessness. Now we’ll breathe you in, dear one…

SHIREEN: (Humorously) Okay.

ROSE: …and allow you to infiltrate the minds, and the souls, and the very lungs of the dear individuals here now. So everyone, breathe in dear Shireen, and know her fearlessness now, okay?

Take a deep breath, (Group breathing deeply) and allow yourselves to breathe in your best selves in the form of Shireen in fearless mode now.

You have many ways to serve yourselves, and this is a good way to do this. By only breathing in the best selves, you have a way to allow yourselves more space to grow inside yourselves. So breathe in your best selves, and we will say only that you have your best selves around you always, in the form of others, at times.

Your best selves often are the individuals around you. You can say that you are chreated in their image, as you are chreating them in your image. You have a sort of fine-tuning that belongs to only the gods, so when you fine-tune yourselves, you allow more godliness into yourselves, and when you allow more godliness into yourselves, you know more, in your terms, about the world. You know more about yourselves, as well, and you’re also wanting to make the next connection, which is what?

You are the world. You are the wonderful people around you. You are the very best selves you can possibly be, for you know that you have the way of spirit, and you know that you [are] wondrous creatures, because you allow that now. You allow that into your days more than ever now, and you stress to yourselves that you need only to allow more into your souls, your hearts, your minds, and to do so is the way of spirit. So trust that you have a very good sort of teaching in every moment that you know today.

So continue to sonter each other, and trust that when you breathe in the world, you breathe in your essences, you breathe in your best selves. So breathe, beautiful creatures, breathe. And we’ll allow your questions, dear ones, now.

(Humorously) We allow more than weany boy to ask questions.

URSULA: Well earlier this week – on Tuesday – I had a very tough day actually, like psychically, and meanwhile my dog was really sick at home and I had to take it her the vet, and I was up all night with her and she was really, really sick. I was wondering if any of the (laughs) negative thoughts that were overpowering me, that day kind of affected my dog? Or did her illness effect me?

ROSE: Now don’t you worry that you’re inflicting any kind of fine trauma on your doggie. The doggie wants to tell you that you’re only allowing care for her at times, but you need also to trust yourself, to allow care for you as well. Your doggie has a sense of you that now is wanting to express to you that you need to care about your wanting ways, in a sense. You want things, but you don’t want to allow them into your days.

So your doggie has a sense, that this is considered the past event that allowed you to see that she was only feigning illness. Do you recall this? She was faking illness recently.

URSULA: Mmhm.

ROSE: You allowed this to occur, to feel better that she was getting over the trauma of finding loss.

So your doggie feals better when you feal better, and you don’t need to worry about her because you now have a sense that she does chreate her reality, too. You have a sense that she does want you to feal better in ways that you need to.

So strive to be allowing her to talk to you in her ways of fealing bad. She’s only telling you what you want to tell yourself, in that she will find solace in caring for herself, and you can find solace in caring for yourself, too. So don’t worry about her, she’ll be fine. You only need to fine-tune your already fine fear levels.

You have a knowing that is predicting of future events that is fine-tuned when you fear less about the outcomes. When you don’t fear the outcomes, you allow more fine-tuning of your fears you have every day. So allowing the future insights to be more worry-free will allow you the opportunity to fear less.

And this is what the doggie is saying to you – don’t fear so much, take one day at a time, and allow yourself to care about you, so you can youse – Y-O-U-S-E – me as a model for how you can find comfort in your days by not allowing fear to rule your lives.

They have many lives, too, doggies do. [To] say this another way, they are with you in every focus you have, and they allow you to tune into things that you wouldn’t normally do. So she is wanting to allow you to fear less, to open to self, and to allow you to be a beautiful model for others in allowing your clairvoyance to shine. So do so, and you know we know you do know this[12] (Joanne laughs) already, right? (Nodding) We know this.

You have this sort of sense of future probabilities – you have visions. You don’t always pay attention to them, so trust that you need to, and allow your doggie to realize that you have this, too. She does, but you need to allow her to beautifully remind you of this every day when you can.

Now we’ll allow more questions if you choose today, dear Ursula.

URSULA: (Chuckling) I was going to ask about something else, I guess Rose knows.

ROSE: Okay, we will say that you have (Paul and Ursula chuckle) a sort of fearless way of going about getting what you want, and you’ll find ways to allow more of this in, if you choose to not care about what others may think about this. Okay?

Did we answer your question?

URSULA: Yes. (Chuckles) I had three questions prepared for today, but if someone else has a question.

ROSE: To take on the questions is why we’re here, so do take your….

PAUL: Go ahead and ask.

GEORGE: Show you’re fearless now.

URSULA: Well, there was also one day this week – it was a really crazy week. I was talking to my bosses in the hallway, and one of them stopped because he was trying to find the words, and you know this happens to everybody, when you know, like, what they’re going to say, so I said this whole phrase and, in fact, of course, that’s what he said!

And I thought, “I knew that!” And probably you all know all about this, but I’m a beginner here, and I was wondering, does my energy help suggest it to him, as much as I understand what he’s about to say?

ROSE: (Joanne chuckles) That is a very excellent question. You have a geanius way of predicting the future, but to say this another way, you do predict the future because you chreate the future. So you did put words in his mouth, (Ursula chuckles) but you didn’t need to assign responsibility to you, necessarily, only to him. And you did chreate him. You chreate all your individuals in your lives.

(Pace is quick) Now we will say also, that you do chreate individuals in your lives, but you do not chreate their lives for them. You do not chreate their experiences for them. You only chreate them in the sense that they allow you to learn about yourselves more than you would if you lived in a cave, for example. So allow yourselves to enjoy other individuals and know that they are especially built to tell you things that you need to know.

So continue dear one to ask questions. (Ursula chuckles) Go ahead.

URSULA: Well, okay. So I have these great Internet ideas. (Humorously) I’m hoping it’s the right time to do it, but I feel like I have so much doubt in myself…

ROSE: Good!

URSULA: …and I don’t want to do it if it’s the wrong time for me. Maybe I don’t know enough about who I am yet.

ROSE: Geanius girl, you have a sort of fear that many individuals have. That is to say that you have the fear of being yourself. To take on the world of the Internet is a beautiful expression of self, and you can trust that when you take this on, you will be fine-tuning yourself. To take this on is to fear, but to move through the fear is why you want to talk to us this evening.

Tell yourself that you only need to do, not fear, and you’ll find the way of spirit will find you. Taking the first steps is the key sometimes. The thing is to not worry about the long sentence ahead of you. Taking the first steps sometimes is all you need to do. You don’t need to worry about things like, “What will be the next step? What will be the last step?”

Only trust that you only have the best self in mind, and when you feal that you need to accomplish something, take the first step. You don’t need to prioritize the things beyond that. To say this another way, when you step into the light of your own beautiful selves, you experience things that you wouldn’t normally.

And you’ll find other expressions of self in the way on your path. So taking the steps is important, not finishing the thing necessarily. The thing can be accomplished, but you don’t need to worry about that now. So trust that you have the best self in mind when you try to embark on projects like these, and trust that they will allow you to fear less while you continue to express the best selves that you are.

So why wouldn’t you want to express yourself in this way?

URSULA: Fear. (Group laughter)

PAUL: Fear of failure.

URSULA: Yeah, or insulting or causing offense.

ROSE: Exactly, causing offense can be a very good thing. Indeed, (Ursula laughs) we expect you to be doing this whenever possible, dear ones. (Ursula chuckles)

But taking offense is another thing entirely. The thing you want to express is not offensive to most. The offense would be only in your sontering of self, for you know that it might be a violation in many ways, and you sense this, and this is fear doing what fear needs to do – telling you what to take action about.

Sontering the project tells you that you may violate something – this is good to know. You’re wanting to learn, and your wanting to fear is telling you that you need to take things in another direction if possible. Now, you don’t need to only violate those who need it. You need to violate (Joanne laughs) those who want it, and violation is a very tricky thing to express, for it is not an absolute – it is only a sense that you’ll have in your way of spirit that is complementary to many individuals who need the expressions of violation.

In your way of thinking, you have a sort of complementary set of violations that will express themselves to counter other violations. So encountering violation is sometimes best allowed into “more violation” space, in a sense. It is violation, but sometimes violation needs to meet violation to allow the best expressions of self. This is to say that sometimes you need to take on violators, and you need to take on violations to allow real compassion into your lives.[13]

So taking on the bullies is a good thing, but allowing yourselves to take on your best selves is why you take on the bullies, because your best selves want to do this, you only expect to do so when you fear not. So trust that taking on the bullies is why you want to do this thing, right? So trust that your wanting to do so is being a good contrary self, and we’ll say more about this later, but do read our articles on the website, because these are very telling of how you’re allowing contrary selfhood in to your expressions, okay?[14]

Now more questions, dear one?

URSULA: No, thank you.

ROSE: Okay.

PAUL: Can I just throw a quick one out there Rose. You used a word that some people aren’t familiar with – youse. Would you just define that for us?

ROSE: Y-O-U-S-E is the best provision of you in use in the world – you as in using self in the world. So you use you in your expressions. This is sort of making you an action rather than a subject, in a sense.

You are an action. When you consider essence as a big action in every focus, in every sense of eternity, you have the sense that you are an action. You are exchanging, in many ways, with every energy you ever encountered. So when you are trusting yourself to act, you are trusting your best self, and you’re seeing past your need to express that you’re a subject. Okay?

PAUL: That was great, and just to throw a Sethian spin on it, you almost say that you are the point of power, to put it as a verb instead of a noun, as in action.[15]

ROSE: Exactly. You’re the power, period, we’ll say also.

We are wanting to express that the weany girl (Joanne chuckles) is opening her eyes, and allowing herself to be in the background. This is a very good thing for her, she trusts you very much. So allowing her to look at you is helping her to get out of her way tonight. So continue to send her loving thoughts, and we’ll continue to express that you’re wanting to ask questions, dear ones, are you not?

SHIREEN: Yes.

ROSE: Okay.

SHIREEN: It’s nice to see everyone by the way. I wanted to know if you could speak a little bit about the value and purpose of travelling and experiencing other realms and dimensions, for this reality, whether it’s through dreams or meditation, sleep, altered states of mind, from an outside substance, whatever. And what we can learn from those to help us in this lifetime. And also, if there’s kind of a best conduit for that in your opinion?

ROSE: Your wanting to allow this expression is a geanius way of expressing to yourselves that you are better in that exchange than you are when you’re not in that exchange. You’re wanting to allow yourselves to express that your allowance is the thing, in a sense. The un-allowance is getting the way of spirit in your way of not finding Self. So to say this better – the weany girl is trying to open her eyes and get out of the way at the same time – the way you can think of this is to allow Self to express to self the beautiful bounty that is you, in every way.

When you express that you’re wanting to dream, wanting to say things out of inspiration, for example, wanting to dream, wanting to allow the beautifully expressive inner self? to beautifully express itself, you have a sontering of self that is allowed in to your ways and, therefore, is wanting only your expressions of Self. And in this, you have a wanting. You have a sort of fearlessness that you can compromise only a little in your self that lives in your daily lives. So your wanting to express these attributes of Self only empede[16] on the self that is wanting only to live your very small lives in your very small world.

You want to express more, and you do so in your dreams. You do so when you want to allow more, and in this, you allow only the best selves. Now we are being very wordy here, but you need to allow your inner selves to grok[17] your greater selves to allow this to sink in. You have a sontering of spirit – a breathing in of spirit that is only the best self, only the best spirit self – so when you want to allow this, you need only to ask, and you only need to allow. So do so.

And we’ll say also that your allowance is the point. The allowance wants to wend its way into the world, and to trust that the way of spirit for you will make things better – in your truest sense, better. Your better sense is wanting to get into the world, so when you feal the urge to include your dreams, your visions, your very inspired thoughts into your everyday existence, you have the way of spirit. And your dreams, etcetera, are your way of finding definition to what this is better than we could ever explain.

So allowing this sense to impose into your expressions is why you do this, and you’ll find meaning in your days by allowing this in more than you are now, even. You are doing this, but you’re wanting to do more is why you’re asking the question, so allow this to occur and we’ll say more at another time.

But do keep up the good work, dear one. For your wanting to allow us in to tell you is another way that you have to say to your greater self that you do more than most to allow this beautiful expression into your lives – your lives meaning the lives of those around you as well. So try to allow this more, and we’ll take another question of you’d like.

SHIREEN: Well, it kind of connects to another question, some of the concepts you’ve covered. In this reality of behaving in a contrary manner and the violations that you spoke of a little bit earlier, if I understand them, and how important that is for our growth and daily actions, and transformation of self, and toward others in a positive way. Because it seems if all the realms, the consequences, shall we say, can be different than behaving in this reality in the same way. And people can very easily lose their lives over being contrary in these times, as well as in the past, and it could be important learning experiences, but as far as it’s all connected to these states, and this reality, and others, and where is the line drawn, and how do we know, and how are we protected? All of these concepts come to mind in this peripheral subject connected to what I first asked about.

ROSE: You are expressing that you fear the way of spirit, in a sense, because you have a sort of fear of fear. Fear is only a means to allow you to move into other areas. That’s all it means to you, really, in the healthiest form. When you allow fear to empede – E-M-P-E-D-E – onto your lives, you have the worst way of finding Self, for Self is wanting only the bliss you have in store when you open up, in a sense, but when you fear, you allow more fear, and more fear if you don’t allow fear to move you [into action].

Your fear of dying is what’s getting in the way. The fear of death is why you’re wanting to allow yourself to become more than you only, to allow more than your wantings to be in charge. So when you allow more Self into your self, you allow more Self into the world, and you allow more Self into your wanting ways to allow you to move into desires. And in desire, you have the thing that you came here for, you have the many modes of desires at hand, but you don’t really embrace them if you only want to try to live you very singular lives.

So you have a sense of bigger Self, and that is intruding, in some ways, on your fears in a good way. You don’t need to fear that you will die. You won’t die. You won’t need to fear dying anymore when you have the bigger sense of Self in mind. So when you realize that you have a sort of fearlessness in regard to your exciting travels in Spirit, you allow more into your days, and you have more allowance of finding Spirit than you need, in some ways, but there’s never any reason to get less than you want.

And this is, in some ways, sounding cryptic, but you need to allow yourselves to realize that we will speak in sometimes jargony ways in order for you to get out of your intuition, and allow yourselves to find only peace in your being.

So try to allow more intuition, not less – only less is more. (Joanne chuckles at the Zen contradiction) And we’ll say more about this later, but we’re testing you, dear Shireen. You have more…

PAUL: (Humorously) Welcome to my world!

ROSE: …intuition that you can deal with now. You have more intuition than many individuals on the planet. You don’t need to ask Rose to answer your questions. You only need to trust your inner self to answer your questions. So do so, and we’ll say more about your test when you want to know more. Not necessarily tonight maybe, okay?

SHIREEN: Okay, thank you. I don’t feel like I fear death at all, actually, so maybe that was some other expression that I [inaudible].

ROSE: You do when you say, “Do you want to say more about the way that you have of finding fear in the other worlds, [and] about not connecting with Self in this realm.” You do interpret, in subtle ways, a fear of death. You do, and you limit your sense of Self to be one or another, in a sense, one now, when you need only to be one with All ever, okay? So try that.

(Rose spoke the previous sentences over the insistent musical ringing of a cell phone) Now we’ll say that is a very musical sound, indeed! (Group laughter)

PAUL: You did a great job of trying to talk through that.

ROSE: Thank you, very much. (Group chatter) No problem.

PAUL: I definitely have to remind people to turn their cell phones off before we start.

ROSE: That’s okay. We’ll take a break now if you’d like, dear ones”

PAUL: It’s been about an hour, people are probably hungry.

ROSE: Okay, let’s take a break and allow you to eat and have some laughs, and we’ll come back later.

PAUL: Great!

GROUP: Thank you Rose.

BREAK: 5:46PM.

RESUME: 7:36PM.

ROSE: “Team Rose”[18] would like to say a few words to our dear, dear George, for he is a dear one by any standards whatsoever, not just Rose’s. To say a few words to him is to say a few words to all, and they are that you have a deep allowance for any term you deem weaning for you – weaning in the sense that you need to wean yourselves of old concepts, and to do that, you sometimes need to chreate new words. That’s why Rose needs to chreate new words, dear George, to tell you things that other words don’t really do.

You do need to allow us to tell you, (Joanne laughs) dear George, what you need to know at times, but we trust that you know what you want to know, and what you’d like, and that is absolutely wonderful. There’s no reason to feal that you need to select one of many individual ghosts to provide you what you need to learn. You have a wonderful way of finding value in the things you do every day, so why not consider all things your teachers, and allow Rose to only point out to you things that you need her to?

So do take our advice and don’t try to force any definitions on Rose, or on any teacher that you find obtrusive. There’s no acceptance when you find that one is good for that, or not. That is why we want to express what we do. We are wanting you to get something that you don’t in other places. So do allow yourselves to choose whatever you like for teachings that can be, in many ways, everything you find every moment, and we will allow you to find ways to express the things you learn from now. In fact, do tell us the things you love to learn from.

GEORGE: From Rose?

ROSE: Anyone, Elias for example. Kris doesn’t float your boat, perhaps, but that’s not to say that Kris is not a fine teacher. You just aren’t drawn to him, and others will be content with Kris when they won’t be with other teachers.

GEORGE: I believe I did say that. I said that Elias and Seth – they strike a certain chord within me, others don’t. But that does not invalidate others’ teachings.[19]

ROSE: That is exactly the word we wanted you to youse – chord. You have a basic intent in life you can consider a chord, and this is true in many respects, not just in the things that you’re drawn to, but also in the many ways you express yourselves.

So think of your intent as absolutely, in your terms, the best way for you, as well as the unique way you have of finding your bliss. So you can think of yourselves as a chord, in a sense, that is wanting to allow yourselves tuning. So you can think of a guitar in a shop that is leaned – wanting to find expression – but leaned against a wall waiting for someone to pick it up and learn to play it. The chord is what you are. The guitar is what you want to be. You want to find the Self that is the entire guitar.

That’s why you want to have dreams that are contrary to your value – so it would seem to you – and that will be how you find different ways to express yourself in tune with your greater self. You have dreams that are not fulfilled, or are very happy ones for you. These are contrary ways to allow you expressions you don’t yet.

So trust that when you get a sort of miss-step or a splayed-step across the way you go about tuning, you can think of this as a sort of lost chord that is most difficult to play if you don’t know how. Your fingers are splayed across the fret in ways that are awkward fealing at first, but when you can open to your broken (Joanne laughs) fingers you can express that the fingers needed breaking. This sounds (In unison with Paul) awful, and it is sometimes painful, dear ones, but this is life.

So trust that when you vomit profusely on the sidewalk, when you find ways to embarrass yourselves, or find ways to be awkwardly being in your world, this is your way of learning to play more chords. So try to allow the bad dreams, the awkward postures. The beginnings of life are always fraught with bad frets (Joanne chuckles) to begin with. So try to continue to fortify yourselves with the beginnings of awareness, so you can stretch a bit and learn to play more beautiful music. So do so.

And we’ll continue to answer your questions if you’d like, or comments if you’d like, dear George.

GEORGE: What was going on between Sontie and I?

ROSE: You had…

GEORGE: I’m sorry.

ROSE: Go ahead.

GEORGE: I never had such a strong connection to an animal before.

ROSE: You had a sontering. You had a “breathing in” that was more allowing of Self to come in. Your cat had a sontering of you as well. So you had a sontering that went back and forth, and had a sort of finding, in a deeper sense, of what you had in your many other focuses together.

When you sonter others, you learn about the places, as well as times that you share. You may not allow a memory, but you do allow a fealing tone, and your cat had more knowledge than most individuals that you know of your many expressions together. And he had a sort of final focus as well. You have a final focus, too. You have a shared sense of vastness together, and that is why you had a really big experience with him – it felt big to you.

GEORGE: Something shifted.

ROSE: Yes, you shifted. You had a sort of unique experience that we will call an internal shift that had to do, in your terms, with a remembrance. For him, too, it was a remembrance. So you were, as well, picking up on how he weaned himself of fears about death. He is not afraid, but you found him to be fearing death in ways that were not like him.

He knew death in many focuses, and he did allow himself to remember these when he sontered you. He had a remembrance of many times, as well as deaths together. You have many times together in which you died together, like a focus on a stallion. You were on the stallion – you weren’t the stallion, he was – and you had a soldier kill both of you in battle.

You found this to be a geanius expression of your focus that was a warrior Zuli type, as he was, too, offering himself a Zuli sort of expression. He isn’t Zuli.[20] He is not essence in that sense, but he understood your need for that kind of horse. So he offered himself to you as a sort of extension of you in battle, and you both died together. You each sort of remembered that – he more than you – but you found him in spirit, so you felt this, too.

GEORGE: And the voice within me, was that my essence? When it said, “You’ve got to take baby Sontie home?”

ROSE: You had to take baby Sontie home to tell him to die when the time was right – to die when the time was right, not now. You were addressing his need to find home in death, but this wasn’t his time.

He was remembering the times he died with much displeasure, in a sense, so bringing him home was your way of saying, “You will die also.” You can be allowed to be together in death as you are in life, always. There’s no separation, you could say, but in your terms you do experience death. So he was sort of remembering that. We are saying “sort of” because this was not a literal remembrance, but a sort of remembrance that he felt he needed to address. So you helped him by allowing him to be taken home in his remembrance that there is no death.

GEORGE: I’m a bit confused, so Sontie and baby Sontie are the same consciousness?

ROSE: They are….

GEORGE: Because baby Sontie is Sontie’s baby.

ROSE: They are in a sort of…

GEORGE: It feels like they’re the same thing though.

ROSE: …sense of consciousness, yes. They [are] sort of similar, but not exactly. They have some shared memories that you have also, so when you have them to take home, you take them home in spirit, always. No matter the physical circumstances, you own him – Sontie – the baby Sontie is owned by you as well. They are different, but they are of you, both of them.

GEORGE: Because there was a distinct voice – very loud and clear – that said at the time I had a yellow cat in my hands, said, “This one does not belong to you, this must go back and the other one is yours, you can take it.” It’s like the cat was telling me that, and I just listened to it, and it looks like that’s the way things are supposed to go.

ROSE: You’re wanting to express to yourself that essence told you, so you can think of your cat as essence, in a sense, but this is not to say that essence does speak to you in that manner all the time. There are many ways that essence speaks to you, this is one way. You’re wanting only to find words, and this isn’t the only way essence speaks to you, but the cat, as essence, deemed itself the speaker of Rose, you could say.

(Joanne laughs) We are taking responsibility for this one, dear George, because you did ask us to intervene. You had a sort of request to Rose at the time, so we are…

GEORGE: So I passed the test?

ROSE: … (Joanne chuckles) that’s correct, that was a test, too. You know our tests too well, dear George. So do take our words only in the way you intuit them, and take in the cat essence, too. For your way of finding truth is exactly the way you need to – not in words all the time. So when Rose tests you, it is only to help you discern intuitively what words you need to listen to. Okay?

GEORGE: I haven’t asked a question, I was (Laughs)…

ROSE: To say it another way, we have always your best ideas in mind. (Humorously) So we’ll take credit for your ideas whenever possible.

Do we have more questions?

BORIS: I have a question for Rose. What is your motivation for talking to us – billions of people – in this small group? Why do you think it is important?

ROSE: Hmm, that is an excellent question. So we’ll take a few moments to explain why we talk to you.

You are geanius; you don’t need us to tell you this. If you would only take a few moments to consider how providing of loving compassion you are, how wondrous you are in your expressions, you would see yourselves the way we see you – as the divine beings that you are. Why wouldn’t anyone want to help you? For you have the world at your fingertips, so when you feal that you are not doing well enough, or you’re not fealing well, you forget how wondrous you are. We are here to remind you of that.

As you know, we want to assist you in spirit, but we also want to assist you in ways that would be considered truly remarkable. For you do chreate your entire reality. We help you, always. So we’re not just allowed to whisper in your ears from time to time, we are truly chreating your reality with you. So why wouldn’t you want us to tell you some things that you need to hear in plain English? You need this, because you need the chance to review things with us in ways that maybe you don’t have otherwise.

You don’t have the ability to recall your dreams all the time – we do. We can tell you your dreams if you speak to us about them. So we provide a kind of guide that helps you through your days in ways that you need right now. You need us to help you through your days because you’re wanting the assistance through your shift in consciousness that is happening now.

And you’re helping us to learn to speak better. And your helping us, as well, to allow Joanne to be a better channeler is a way you’re contributing to the health and well-being, in many ways, of all individuals everywhere, not just this world, even. You are great. We are here to remind you of that. So do consider this to be your way of expressing to yourselves the best in you. That’s why we allow you to speak with us. (Humorously) We’re joking, but we are always wanting to talk with you in your dreams because you need us, and we are here only for that.

BORIS: Like we are great as, like this group – all the individuals are good people, or people in general are great?

ROSE: You in general are all good, in many respects, not in the ways that you may feal are good ways – the way you described it in your past – but good in the sense that you’re all wanting to be better, even if you’re terroristic in your views. You want to be better people. In this, you’re all good in that respect.

This is not to say that all people are good in the way you’ve been raised to believe are good, so this is a tricky bit of business here, but we’re saying that you are all in need, for you all want goodness, no matter what your circumstances are. We want to help you do that.

BORIS: And do you care if your audience is small or large?

ROSE: We want to provide helpfulness in every way, so in many ways it doesn’t matter what the size of the audience is, because you know we talk with you always, anyway. But the Rose agenda[21] will reach many individuals, so that’s why we’re allowing this expression in person, so to speak, to allow us to allow Joanne to reach bigger audiences.

So this is our Rose agenda. Rose wants this, Joanne wants this, too, but she’s obviously needing to learn to do that now. So this group is remarkably perfect for your needs, as well as hers. So that’s why the question isn’t really needed. We’re always speaking with you as essence. So it doesn’t matter what happens, in your terms, with the Rose agenda, in some ways, but we do plan to allow more audience members in time.

Any more questions?

URSULA: I had a really strong dream – I know, I’m sorry – I’m not usually that vocal.

ROSE: Go ahead.

URSULA: Today I’m very vocal. This morning I had really, really strong dreams before I woke up, and it was like somebody was asking me to explain Seth stuff to them, and I’m very new to this I’ve only read a couple of books. And I was like “Was that Rose or Seth?” Do you feel what that dream was about?

ROSE: Take your words “provide answers,” as you said earlier. You provided answers to them in your dream space. You did allow yourself to provide answers to that individual in your dream. You didn’t need to allow the answers, but you did, didn’t you?

URSULA: Yeah! I remember it, because it was so strong to me. It felt so good, but I felt so untrue also.

ROSE: You didn’t need to be unsure. You had a fine way to say the things you needed to, so you didn’t need to worry. You only need to do the best you can to provide answers to individuals about the information. Anything you do is better than what they have, in many ways, typically.

So don’t stress about that, because the thing to remember is that you have your abilities in hand, and even if you don’t really get the ways, you do get the means. You do allow yourself to be the individual you want to be. In this, you allow them to learn, too. So don’t worry that the words won’t always be there. Sometimes it’s really very hard to express these ideas easily. So allow only your happiness, for that’s where the rubber meets the road, indeed. So do so.

Any other questions?

BORIS: So are there other planets, or other civilizations that you talk to, (Group chuckles) or just us healers on planet Earth?

PAUL: Are we alone?

ROSE: That’s another excellent question. We’ll say also that you’ll find yourselves on other planets, too, besides us, and that will be another focus of discussion at another time, but yes.

URSULA: Hollywood.

JOANNE: What’s that?

URSULA: (Humorously) Hollywood!

ROSE: Yes, Planet Hollywood indeed is another culture altogether. We’ll say more at a later time, but yes, there are many planets and many dimensions involved. So trust that you’re wonderfully multidimensional, in many ways, not just in the studio, dear one.

URSULA: Are we too scared and violent to encounter them right now, openly?

ROSE: What do you mean we, Kemo Sabe?[22]

URSULA: (Chuckling) Me.

ROSE: You’re not violent. You’re wanting to express that other humans are, so you’re correct that they won’t find the other dimensions in their periphery often, but they do go there, too, and they are geaniusly doing so, because this allows them to realize that they have more to them than they think they do.

BORIS: I’ve got a question.

ROSE: Go ahead.

BORIS: So could you maybe, this is like a whole new discussion. (Group laughter)

URSULA: Go for it!

GROUP: (Much Laughter)

BORIS: You mentioned other planets and I was curious. Maybe you could kind of describe the structure of how many universes and planets…

PAUL: You want a map?

BORIS: …what’s the world look like outside of what we know of it?

ROSE: You can imagine it when you get really into the wonderful sense of Self that you are. That will be your homework, to find out that you have the ability to try out those planets for yourself. All of you can try them out, for you have the ability to go there in your dreams, in your imaginations. There are very many dimensions – millions. So try to imagine, and you’ll get a better sense of what that is all about than what we can tell you.

BORIS: But if I cannot imagine, is it something that you can tell me? (Joanne chuckles)

ROSE: You can imagine, dear one, you can imagine. So do so.

We’ll give you a clue. There are many illustrious dimensions that involve many derivative versions of what you experience here. So you can think of them as ways that you have to explore the things you don’t now – like ways of being sexual, ways of being eternal, ways of getting younger rather than older, ways of getting your needs met by mentioning them to others in ways you don’t now. We suggest you consider that anything is possible, and go from there – like your science fiction, indeed.

PAUL: I want to mention that we do have an extensive map, if you’re interested, based on Seth, Elias, Kris, and Ken Wilber. So we can talk about that another time.

ROSE: We will.

PAUL: Perhaps Rose didn’t want to go into Regional Areas and Quadrants…

ROSE: It’s a very vast subject.

PAUL: …and all this and that.[23]

BORIS: [inaudible]

PAUL: What’s that?

BORIS: A map has qualities.

PAUL: Oh yeah, a map and practices to explore the map. That’s what this is all about.

ROSE: Let’s go for another question, besides the one that dear Boris asked.

PAUL: Michael and Bob do you have any questions? Do you want an opportunity to…?

MIKE: Talk!

BOB: At the break, someone mentioned living in the spirit, and I think most of us understand what that means. I think we believe intellectually what’s spirit, but we’re stuck on this time-based reality – we appear to be stuck, we’re not really.

GROUP: (Laughter)

PAUL: (Laughing) I’m not stuck!

BOB: (Laughing) You know, we’re not stuck, and it’s a process, I think, of downloading that into your feelings and emotions, and being able to actually see it. And I think maybe Boris reflected on that in maybe experiencing some of these probabilities, whether they be on another planet or on different frequencies, so to speak, because I think that’s probably where they exist – like UFOs and whatever. I mean this is probably where they come from – different frequencies. What are some of the better ways of getting that – for lack of a better word – to download into our emotional experience?

ROSE: That’s another very good question. The way you can think of allowing the download is to trust. To trust and allow is to trust that the way you have of expressing to yourself, in many ways, you have of being happy in the world are your ways of expressing the universe of ideas, in many ways. So your happiness is directly realized in your allowance of trust so as to allow more of your best self into your world.

So in summary, the world is huge, the universe is huger, so you allow the universe into you in order to allow more “finally fun” things to express themselves – fun in the sense that finally you’re having fun in ways that you didn’t before. You are tapping into the universal sense of fun, as well as engagement of other senses that you have had lie dormant for many years now. So in your sense of fun, you allow more in. So do so.

JOANNE: Just a second.

GEORGE: Okay.

MIKE: I want to go back to the first question. I’m a little bit slow; I’ve got to process things. Now recently I’ve been under a little stress and obviously stress is related to fear. And my wife is nice enough to point out that I keep getting into the same situation over and over again, and has asked me to try to think about what is going on. And so the first question you asked is, “What are your fears?” So I think it’s all related.

Now coming from the perspective of day-to-day world, especially when we are under stress, we tend to think in terms of separation and duplicity and what not and we’re inclined – in this reality, to look at other people’s motivations – not necessarily think of it as being ourselves. So from that perspective, probably my most consistent fear has a been a fear of dependency on other people for things that I care much about getting accomplished.

Now if there is no separation, then that becomes a fear of depending on myself for things that I really care to be accomplished, and that means that in the world of separation, I appear to be highly independent, but I’m actually doing exactly what I fear. So does that make any sense at all?

ROSE: Yes! You do fear yourself, in some ways, because you’re not trusting yourself to do what you’re asking others to do, also. So your wanting to fear less is causing you to fear, in some ways, in ways that you don’t allow yourself to.

We’ll begin with a simple explanation of fear that you may need a refresher on. The fear you have is realized in your wanting to be able to move into other areas. So why do you fear? You fear because you need to take action. So when you don’t take action, you’re wanting to fear more, because you’re now fearing the fear and the lack of action. So fear is a good thing, so you can make friends with your fear a bit more than you’ve thought of so far.

So fear is telling you that you can’t trust others to do what you want them to do. So why do you fear this? Maybe you can’t trust them to do what you need them to do. Maybe there’s a simple explanation, that is, in your terms, allowing you to know more about the situation than you’re giving yourself credit for. So when you fear, look at this as a really good friend who wants to tell you something, but you’re not allowing yourself to hear her tell you, dear one. So allow yourself to hear the fear and express to yourself, “Why do I not trust that person?” Maybe because you have the same fear in yourself that you have in your first line of defense, in a sense.

So you have a fine way of giving orders – this is good. You have a fine way of accepting responsibility – this is also good. So why fear? Because you don’t feal in control. So why fear that? Because you need to not be fealing badly about not being in control. In other words, you need to not fear not being in control. That’s all. That’s your fear. The fear is control: needing to assert your own controls on your fine first line of defense. They have the best way to handle the situation. You have the fear in your way because you have a sense that things may go wrong, but do you need to worry about that?

MIKE: Ironically, I was very worried about it on Wednesday. I’ve got a part-time consulting client, and as I was driving in I was going “Gee, I wonder if I need to ask them for a job, just in case!” (Joanne chuckles) And within ten minutes of arriving at the office, they pretty much offered me a new job – if I’m willing to take it.

So that’s kind of a reminder, that “you do create your reality” kind of moment to moment. I was driving insane in traffic worrying about it. I walk in the door and get an answer, but at the same time, I’m still looking for a pattern – like, Elias asks for core truths or intents. I’m kind of wondering about my core fear I guess, and it feels like a nuance, maybe, of control, and I’m not quite maybe accepting that that’s all it is.

ROSE: You have a core truth in needing to control at times, but this isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Fear isn’t a bad thing – we’ll reiterate. So your truth about control is why you’re wanting to address the issue. You don’t need to control things – in many ways you do, but in many ways you don’t. So control is the thing that is getting in your way. Now, when you try to control, what happens? It slips through your fingers at times, right?

MIKE: Right!

ROSE: So you can’t really control what you always think you can control, so why try sometimes? Try to realize that control only goes so far – that’s all. The control you have is only so good in some situations, not all. And control is somewhat overrated because you can’t control things in every way. You can try to influence, and when you try to control, you get what? Lack of control as a result, and this is why you often need to try to step out of the way and allow things to just happen.

Now, you did get a sort of fine provision of contrary control in your allowing a new job to pop up. Would it be so bad if things went terribly wrong? For you would have a new job. You would have controlled a sort of controlling situation out of itself, in a sense. So your wanting to control had some ramifications that were totally out of your control. What did that do? Opened up new realms for you entirely.

So take control only when you can, then try to remember that you can’t control everything – essence does – and you’ll do well to remember essence always knows the best things for you. You are essence, too, but you need to realize that your ego will fear, and your ego will only know what it knows based on its own experiences. So try to get the ego-fearful-self out of the way, and allow yourself to take action when you can then just “let go and let God,” in some ways, do His thing.

(Humorously) We’re, of course, joking. We’re God also, so we’re very girlie, God-wise (Group chuckles).

GROUP: (Chuckling and banter)

BOB: I like girlie-gods.

PAUL: You like pink, huh?

GEORGE: [inaudible]

ROSE: That’s right, we love pink!

URSULA: (Laughing) Goddess!

ROSE: So try to just realize that all things happen in their own way, and don’t worry so much about having things go one way or another. Okay?

Now did you have another question for us?

GEORGE: Rose on a more serious note, I was talking with Joanne in the kitchen about cold cuts earlier on, (Ursula laughs) and she mentioned that probably she and I had some focuses that are actually enjoy feasts, as such, probably we do. How many focuses do I have with Joanne?

ROSE: One hundred, approximately. We don’t give the same numbers that Elias does because you know that things are, in many ways, just realizing of probabilities. So to say one hundred and a half or one hundred and fifty-seven is, in many ways, silly. (Joanne chuckles) So we’ll say Elias is a little silly in doing that – but we’re only teasing him. And you’ll want to allow yourselves to be a good student and investigate together those focuses, for you’ll find many loving, really wonderful relationships that you have together, indeed, eating much sausage. (Group laughter)

URSULA: Germans!

PAUL: Washing it down with good beer.

ROSE: Yes! Many German focuses, (Group laughter) many Frauleins (Ursula laughs) involved, as well. You had a focus together as Frauleins in sort of a…

GEORGE: Blue house?

ROSE: (Humorously) …sausage factory. (Group laughter) So do allow yourselves to investigate together. (Ursula is cracking up) Why do you think she showed you that photo of the (Laughingly) sausages?[24] (Much laughter)

GEORGE: Last week she’s like “Did you bring the sausages?” (Laughter) I emailed you – “Can you bring the sausages?” I’m like, “Okay.”

ROSE: Bring the sausages every day, dear ones, yes.

GEORGE: And I’ve seen the look on her face, and it’s like, “Wow, check it out!” (Much laughter)

URSULA: Same old shit. (Laughing) Different life.

ROSE: (Humorously) Take heed! We love sausages, dear one, in spirit. So try to allow us to partake at times, too.

GEORGE: Can I have a medal now?

ROSE: A what?

GEORGE: No medals today?

URSULA: Gold star!

GEORGE: Oh, gold star today.

URSULA: Gold star!

ROSE: No. No gold stars today, we don’t hand them out that often, they would lose their specialness if we did. So just trust you’ll get some in time, dear ones.

So do you have any additional questions this evening? Yes.

BORIS: So can you give us a glimpse into your world, (Joanne laughs) like is there any similarity to our world? Do you have, like, high technology? Do you see one another in a physical form? Do you guys go to school, have jobs?

PAUL: Do you have sausages? (Group chuckling)

URSULA: Financial concerns? (More laughter)

BORIS: Or do you guys have like, you know, carpets, or there are no similarities whatsoever to our world? And something else perhaps?

JOANNE: You guys ask such great questions. (Group laughter)

PAUL: Is that Joanne speaking?[25]

JOANNE: It’s Joanne, yeah, I got to say. (Takes a deep breath)

ROSE: (Humorously) You are wonderful in your questions, yes. You have a sort of sense of us if you are thinking that we love sausages, (Group chuckles) because you have a sort of sense, you have a sort of experience that we have in mind as well. So when you fully love yourself, when you fully embrace your lives, you allow, in many ways, us to experience that, too.

In many ways, we get the best of you – sausages included – and you’ll find that we enjoy you in many ways.[26] Sonter us to find out about how we sonter you, breathing you in also. We breathe you in always, just like you breathe us in. So trust that you have a sense of us like we have of you, in some ways, but this is not to say that it’s exactly the same.

It’s a sort of dimensional shift that has to do, in many ways sometimes, with lovingkindness.[27] We love you in every way. You have a sense of us when you love deeply, and you can find us in ways that enhance your lovingness, so you can expect that you’ll find us in your best ways of spirit. That’s why you want to learn from us, to tell yourselves how we feal to you.

We don’t have houses except, in many ways, your houses are our houses. We are here all the time with you, in many ways. We don’t experience physicality as you do, but we do allow a sort of sense of that, in some ways, when you need us to. We can relieve pain, for example, we can intercede when needed and move things. So we are in the world, in some ways, but we’re in the other world in many ways, too. So your wanting to find us, in your terms, is in your home, not in our home, in a sense. You can’t see our homes, in many ways, but they are like yours in some respects.

We’re contradicting ourselves a bit, but you can sense that we are telling you some very difficult to express things. So try to imagine us in your home, and that is the best representation of what our home looks like, okay?

BORIS: Do you have some kind of society with laws and rules, or are you basically using us as hosts, and experience reality through us?

ROSE: We do.

BORIS: Or we have something like your own, some kind of a civilization?

ROSE: We have a sense of civilization, yes. We have rules. Indeed, the rules are sometimes invisible rules that are like gravity [is a rule] to you, that you don’t need to be aware of to follow. We have rules. That’s why we’re essence and not physical, for example, but we don’t have societies like you have, because they are not really necessary.

We conspire together. We are tonal in many ways. You can think of us as tone that is in some ways attracted to some tones rather than other tones. So there are sort of natural progressions of activities that are inherent in our daily lives, so to speak, as well as inherent in our yearly lives. This is indicating time, so you can think of time as contradictory to yours in that it is timeless time, in a sense.

It’s not real time like yours, but there is a linearity that is allowing us to realize you inherently, also. You have some ways that we need to have in order to talk to you. We wouldn’t do this if we didn’t have a sense of time and space, but the sometimes contrary ways we have do take on time and space, so we need that, too, but not in the same way you do. So continue to realize us as different, but the same, also. That is the closest short answer we can give you right now.

BORIS: Do you have a life span, or there’s no time? Do you have emotions? Do you feel sad or happy? What motivates you to go on living?

ROSE: No emotions, only lovingkindness. This is not an emotion. This is a truth in your universe, in a sense. We are not motivated by the fears you have. We are motivated by wanting things, desiring things. We desire, too, like you do. We need knowledge. We seek knowledge. We don’t have a sense of time, but we do have a sense of propriety.

In a sense, we have a sort of sense of proper English, you could say. Proper in the sense that we indicate to each other things you would call a sort of communication, so there is a sense of style that is followed to communicate, in some ways, with others. But there are many forms of communication, and this is a very big subject. (Joanne laughs) But to say further, that there is a sort of protocol involved in allowing communication between essences.

BORIS: You mentioned earlier that you see yourself as a teacher. Does that imply that there is a higher level of awareness in your non-physical realm, therefore you feel that your knowledge is superior to physical knowledge?

ROSE: In many ways it is, in many ways it isn’t because you have knowledge we don’t have any more, in a sense. So when you, for example, say that animals have more knowledge than you, in some ways, [this] is the same as the way we have more knowledge than you, also. So try to imagine us as knowledgeable in ways you’re not yet. You can think of teaching in this manner, also.

When you teach, you share information that others don’t have yet. So you don’t really need to consider teaching a higher sort of sharing. It is sharing, but not necessarily of a higher sense. But it is a sort of trajectory that you’re on that we’re on also, only a bit more frequently reach certain knowledge aspirations than you do, that’s all. We access things more frequently than you do. So we’re not better than you. We’re only getting into things you’re not yet.

URSULA: But wasn’t there a time in the early stages of human beings where we were connected to nature, God, essence – like animals, and then we sort of out-sophisticated ourselves?

ROSE: You have some religious beliefs that are getting you thinking that way, and these are not incorrect but they are, in some ways, limiting. Animals do have a sense that you have, in some ways, lost but you don’t need to worry that it is lost forever – you only have forgotten it. This is the same as you are to us. You know this information – in you it lives – but you don’t always know it consciously.

So when you’re wanting to find the information, you can only desire things that you want to know, but you can’t know it all, and there’s no reason to believe you need to know it all. So don’t worry that you’ve lost something – you haven’t – you’ve only forgotten it.

Don’t worry that you have more sense of purpose now, either, because that’s not easily put aside, and nor it should be. You have purpose in your days. This is not wrong. It’s your way of spirit, and in this, you’ll find much satisfaction if you’re finding the value in your purpose that you want to have.

So don’t worry that you’re forgetting things that you knew as earlier people. Only try to allow what you know to assist you. You don’t need to know anything more than that. We don’t know everything. We know what we know, and we know there are more things to know that we don’t know. So no one knows it all. That is what we have found to be true – that there is no source of all knowledge. It’s all dispersed in many ways.

BORIS: Are there other dimensions that are talking to you in a similar fashion that you’re talking to us?

ROSE: You are correct that there are dimensions that are speaking to us now through me. We have many connections, in many ways, with many universes.

BORIS: Do you have disagreements on different topics, or are you pretty much together? Information that you’re sharing with us, could it be different if someone else – some other entity – were to tune in perhaps?

ROSE: That’s why you have your many teachers. They are wanting to express that there are many different views of reality.

GEORGE: Rose – I am going to ask this question that probably applies to all of us – my essence somehow is, should I say related or is in connection with you. And was there like an agreement that eventually this focus of George as a probability is going to show up at Sausage Girl’s[28] house to start getting involved in this material?

How does my essence, or everyone’s essence here play into this phenomena of Rose – I call it a Gang of Rose, (Group laughter) and how is the essence related to Rose? Is my essence, for instance, I’m going to drive home and my essence says, “Ha ha,” or whatever, with Rose saying, “Well, this guy’s still got to learn, or he got this, or maybe…” I don’t know if you understand. Is there a communication between my essence and Rose, or anyone’s essence?

ROSE: You’re absolutely on the right track when you say that you drove here with essence to find Rose. Your essence is Rose, in many respects, already. You are speaking to your essence when you speak to Rose. This is difficult to describe, but you’re wanting to speak to essence, and having Rose speak to you in words is your essence speaking to you. It is also Rose – there is no separation.

This is the trickiest thing to allow an accurate description of, for essences are always connected in infinite ways. You have Rose to tell you what you want your essence to know, and what you need to know as George. There is only lovingkindness. So why is there any distinction needed between your essence and Rose? There isn’t. The world is one – in many ways, you are one with All.

So on some level you are Rose – we are you – and that is about as clear as we could make this at this time. So try to think of your essence as allowing everything into your world – everything you eat, touch, see, dream, sleep – everything is you as essence, even Rose. Okay?

PAUL: Can I add something? I have this chart here – I like charts and I’m the mapmaker in the family – based on Elias’ essence fragmentation information. Now I will state, again, for the record that I don’t pretend to understand fragmentation as Elias has offered it – and he says none of us really understand it – but it’s a metaphor, an attempt to show at this domain, or realm, or frequency, or tone the type of propagation and existence that essence has.

According to Elias, Rose is a progenitor essence that many essences are fragmented from – now that’s a linearization of the concept that we can understand here, that only has meaning here, it doesn’t have meaning where Rose originates – but again, according to Elias, my essence is fragmented from three different essences. Joanne is fragmented from one. Ruburt, Seth, and Joseph are fragmented from an essence that’s fragmented from Rose, and so on and so forth.

Now we can ask Rose and Elias for these types of lineage things, but they only go so far, and I bring this up because it took me a long time (Laughs) to be able to get the arrows right. (Group chuckling) It took me five times of just trying, and its non-linear in a linear world. I’m just bringing that up, that that’s germane to your question and the answer that Rose just gave.

But it’s a very abstract metaphysical thing that we cannot prove or disprove in our own current state of consciousness except through inner senses, and dreams, and altered states, and so on. So we can, I am not saying it’s impossible, but it’s the challenge of where we are in our current stages of development to go much further. So we have to depend on the veracity, and the sincerity, and the truth that Rose, and Elias, and so on provide in these claims, in these metaphors.[29]

ROSE: That was a very good summary. You do fragment the many essences, in a sense, when you realize physicality. But the thing to keep in mind is that you are nonlinear in every way, as well, so you can best realize what your essence feals like and what other essences feal like by allowing your intuition to tell you, not your linear thinking.

So try to allow weany girl to intrude a bit and tell (Joanne laughs) them what you didn’t say. (Chuckling with Ursula)

JOANNE: (Humorously exclaiming) No!

PAUL: Putting you on the spot.

JOANNE: She said that when she was talking about intuition that, you know, instead of linear thinking, she said, “Charts – you don’t need your charts.” (Humorously) Sorry. (Paul laughs)[30]

ROSE: You are correct, that is every bit the truth, so why not say that, okay?

JOANNE: I stand corrected.

ROSE: You don’t need your charts to tell you what you know in your hearts. So we’re only telling you a bit of poetry, dear ones, and allow yourselves to beautifully reflect on the many selves you are, for you are Rose.

You are Rose in every way, and you’ll do well to remember her in your dreams, for she represents, in many ways, your best selves as spirit. To take on the world you need the best guides in your corner, and that, my dear ones, are yourselves.

So we’ll end now, for its getting late, and we’ll let you know that we had a wonderful time tonight. We allowed the weany girl to say some things in between her diatribes of Rose. We allowed her to rest in the assurance of being in a loving community. This is exactly what she needs right now, and we’ll say more about how you need the community as well, for you do need this in your lives, and we’ll continue to build the community around our teachings, and we’ll love to see you in future weeks ahead.

So do take care of yourselves. We trust you will, and we send you our lovingkindness always. So do take care. We love you.

GEORGE: Rose, I want a good dream tonight.

ROSE: Okay, you’ve got it…

GEORGE: Promise.

ROSE: …no sausages though.

GEORGE: No sausages.

ROSE: Okay.

SHIREEN: Me too, I want a good one.

URSULA: I want you to be in my dream tonight, too.

GROUP: (Laughter and banter)

ROSE: Okay.

(Rose Departs: 9:02 PM.)

(Transcribed by Nardine Neilson, July 30, 2008.)

Endnotes

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[1] Joanne’s note: Rose has called me “weany girl” since the beginning, in the sense I am weaning myself of unhelpful beliefs and fears. She refers to Paul as “weany boy.”

[2] Paul’s note: This is one of Rose’s neologisms (made-up words). Sontering is “the breathing in of essence,” and involves a kind of empathic mergence with the object of sontering. For more info, see The Rose Glossary.

[3] Paul’s note: According to Elias, Joanne is a final focus. He also includes beginning, and continuing focuses. Since there is only one beginning and final, the vast majority of lifetimes are of the continuing type. For more info, see Elias’ Digests: focus of essence; beginning – continuing – final.

[4] Paul’s note: This is one of Rose’s neologisms (made-up words), a combination of feel and real. For more info, see The Rose Glossary.

[5] Paul’s note: This is one of Rose’s neologisms (made-up words), a combination of you and use. For more info, see The Rose Glossary.

[6] Paul’s note: NIRAA stands for Notice, Identify, Recognize, Address to, and Accept. It is an ongoing practice that helps recognize automatic responses and indentify the beliefs in play. For more info, see Elias’ NIRAA – A Summary of Accepting Self.

[7] Paul’s note: This is one of Rose’s neologisms (made-up words), a combination of Christ and create. For more info, see The Rose Glossary.

[8] Joanne’s note: Mishegas is a Yiddish word for “craziness.”

[9] Paul’s note: For more info, see Session 225, February 16, 2008.

[10] Paul’s note: This is one of Rose’s neologisms (made-up words), a combination of genes and genius. For more info, see The Rose Glossary.

[11] Paul’s note: Rose referred to a slogan by the sporting wear company Nike.

[12] Paul’s note: This is another one of Rose’s linguistic quirks we find quite amusing. She will play on repetitions like “she knows that we know that she knows,” to help push us out of over-intellectualizing what she is saying, and to begin to feal into the heart center and deep intuitions to better discern her subtext.

[13] Paul’s note: Rose referred to Seth’s concept of violation, which is very similar to Ken Wilber’s concept of Basic Moral Intuition (BMI). The main difference between them is that Wilber includes research on different stages of moral development and Seth’s discussion, for the most part, doesn’t. Joanne also published an article exploring Sethian violation inspired by the events of 9/11/01 titled Emerging New World Ethics.

[14] Joanne’s note: Rose referred to The Beautiful Contrary Self: An Introduction and The Contrary Self.

[15] Paul’s note: This classic saying is from The Nature of Personal Reality (1974) by Jane Roberts who channeled Seth from 1963-1984.

[16] Paul’s note: This is one of Rose’s neologisms (made-up words), a combination of impede and empathy. For more info, see The Rose Glossary.

[17] Paul’s note: The term grok is a neologism coined by science fiction author Robert Heinlein in his classic Stranger in a Strange Land (1961). The main character, Michael Valentine Smith, is a human raised on Mars who returns to Earth with a highly developed empathic sense, so much so, that he can telepathically merge with objects and living things. In the process, he groks or merges with their first person experience and knows them intimately as aspects of himself in ways that confound humans.

[18] Paul’s note: Team Rose includes all of Rose’s many, many, many Aspects including Joanne and myself.

[19] Joanne’s note: We had a conversation during break in which George, having been sorely tested, humorously decided that Rose was now his third favorite behind Seth and Elias.

[20] Paul’s note: Rose referred to one of the nine families of consciousness introduced by Seth and greatly expanded by Elias. For more info, see Intentionality and Families of Consciousness or Elias’ families of consciousness and Digests: essence families; an overview.

[21] Paul’s note: For more info, see The Rose Agenda.

[22] Paul’s note: This is a good example of when Rose plays off Joanne’s sense of humor. There’s an old joke about The Lone Ranger and his faithful companion, Tonto, who refers to him as Kemo Sabe. At some point, when things are looking bleak, the Lone Ranger turns to Tonto and says, “Well, we’ve gotten ourselves into quite a predicament, haven’t we?” to which Tonto replies, “What do you mean we, Kemo Sabe?”

[23] Paul’s note: I have assembled a detailed map of and practices to explore All-That-Is based on Ken Wilber’s AQAL metatheory and information from Seth, Elias, and Kris. It is quite extensive, but currently available in only bits and pieces on our NewWorldView and Elias forum websites. I will synthesize this material in my forthcoming book Integral Conscious Creation: Rocket Science for the Soul.

[24] Joanne’s note: I showed George and Ursula the photo on our family picture wall of Grandpop and Grandmom Helfrich proudly holding different kinds of sausage they used to make.

[25] Paul’s note: Joanne is still getting used to announcing when she changes perspectives in a rapid exchange in group settings. It can get confusing to those who are less sensitive to the perspective shift, so I try to point out “who” is talking when Joanne forgets to announce herself coming back into the conversation.

[26] Joanne’s note: Later that evening, George, Sarah, and I were discussing the differences and similarities between us and Rose in terms of what she can and can’t do better than us. Sarah astutely noticed that, “She can’t eat tacos!” I think that perfectly sums things up! Later Paul added, “But Rose helps create our reality, and without her, there wouldn’t be tacos or us to eat them.”

[27] Paul’s note: I was struck by Rose’s use of “lovingkindness” as is similar to the Buddhist tradition of lovingkindness meditation called Metta that is part of my Integral Practice. The following definition is from Acharya Buddharakkhita:

“The Pali word metta is a multi-significant term meaning loving-kindness, friendliness, goodwill, benevolence, fellowship, amity, concord, inoffensiveness and non-violence. The Pali commentators define metta as the strong wish for the welfare and happiness of others (parahita-parasukha-kamana). Essentially metta is an altruistic attitude of love and friendliness as distinguished from mere amiability based on self-interest. Through metta one refuses to be offensive and renounces bitterness, resentment and animosity of every kind, developing instead a mind of friendliness, accommodativeness and benevolence which seeks the well-being and happiness of others. True metta is devoid of self-interest. It evokes within a warm-hearted feeling of fellowship, sympathy and love, which grows boundless with practice and overcomes all social, religious, racial, political and economic barriers. Metta is indeed a universal, unselfish and all-embracing love.”

[28] Joanne’s note: That’s weany girl, George, not wienie girl!

[29] Paul’s note: I made a chart based on conversations with Cathy Churchman (Shynla) in 1999 and her knowledge of essence fragmentation in the Elias information. It shows how Rose may function as a “progenitor essence,” and supports the notion that Rose has no physical focuses, but can vicariously experience physical focuses through merging with our essences. 

Again, these are linearized versions of nonlinear, nonphysical relationships. As such, the chart is only suggestive of the deeper metaphysical realities that we don’t yet fully understand. For more info, see Elias’ Digests: fragmentation.

[30] Paul’s note: This is a humorous reference to a line from a Spaghetti Western – “Badges, we don’t need no stinkin’ badges.” To which I maintain that as long as we acknowledge the limitations of the various tools we use to explain the unexplainable we’re in good shape. And Rose generally acknowledges this. She does like to test me on these things! But I remain steadfast in my belief that charts have their place in the knowledge quest. In other words, poetry has its place and its limits as well, and an integral approach allows for BOTH.