“Your Desires Want to be Found”
“A Contrary Whinny”
“The Way of Spirit is Fearless”
“Things Go Better With Intent”
Session 225 (Group/Castaic, California)
Saturday, February 16, 2008
Participants: Joanne (Tyl), Denise (Andies), Shireen, Boris, Gail (William), Drew (Matthew), Ester, Jim (Yarr), and Paul (Caroll/Janaki).
(Paul’s note: This was our first Potluck Dinner held with Rose. Previously, we had co-hosted the “Dinner and a Dead Guy” sessions with Kris in Toronto by speakerphone, but figured “Dinner and a Dead Gal” wasn’t the best title! 
So we settled on a simple potluck theme as sharing food, drink, and conversation are the main attributes of our get togethers.
(Joanne spent the hour preceding this session resting-in-Rose or meditating per Rose’s instructions in order to relax and prepare for the group’s energy. I welcomed everyone, talked a bit about channeling, introduced the Rose phenomenon to newcomers, and then went to the bedroom and returned with Joanne. She sat on the couch, crossed her legs, welcomed the group, then settled down and closed her eyes.)
(Rose Arrives: 5:05 PM. Arrival time 13 seconds.)
JOANNE: Rose is suggesting that everybody first just relax and get comfortable…
DENISE: (Laughing) I can’t (because Rumi the cat had usurped her sitting pillow.)
JOANNE: …whatever it takes to get comfortable, moving the Siamese. (Rumi meows as Paul moves him and the group empathizes.) Oh, that’s Rumi.
And just feel her energy in our bodies, and just rest-in-Rose.
PAUL: (Interrupting, having forgotten to mention session number, date, and time.)
JOANNE: Thank you. Just feel it coming into your bodies, minds, spirits, and from my experience – this is Jo speaking – it’s just this feeling of bliss. That there’s nothing to fear, that we’re perfect just the way we are, that the phone is ringing… (Laughter)
(One minute exchange listening to their phone answering machine with an East Coast Helfrich clan update. Paul and Joanne’s nephew won a high school sectional wrestling championship today!)
PAUL: (Humorously) Anyway, sorry. Blissful, blissful…
JOANNE: (Humorously) Blissful, blissful…
PAUL: (Laughing) They’re very blissful on the East Coast.
ROSE: Oh, we are so blissful… (More laughter) Wrestling with ourselves always; doesn’t even matter who wins, does it now? Let’s take a few deep breaths. (Pause) That’s good.
We will begin by welcoming the new friends tonight, Boris. Indeed, welcome! We hope you will enjoy the show, indeed, because we know it could use a good score, indeed. (Paul chuckles, as Boris is a film composer in Hollywood.)
The way you can think of us, is as a group of energies who are here to supply you everything you need, indeed. The things you need, the things you want, are always different, but that’s why you need us essences to assist you in realizing that your desires want to find you, and that’s what we’ll be talking about today.
Your desires are wanting to find you. The way of spirit is your way of being in the world – when you are finding bliss, when you are finding joy, when you are finding loving energies to support your healing ways, for example. That’s right, we’re talking to you. (Group chuckles as Rose speaks to Jim) We always are talking to you…
JIM: Yes.
ROSE: …and you and you and you and you and you (whispering) and you and you and you. (Back to normal) We are essence. We are the gods that you have always wanted to intervene in your lives. That we do always, and the way we do this is through the desires that you have, the desires that are your deepest ones, indeed. The wants you have will not always be the desires that will be better for you.
There’s no real perfection in life, that’s a famous line in a sentence that goes “Perfection is futile.” We’re joking, that’s “Resistance is futile,” but you can…
PAUL: We will be assimilated. (Group chuckles)
ROSE: …substitute that word, because realizing perfection isn’t anything that you’ll ever know, in some respects. That’s the way of life. The way of spirit is in recognizing, first of all, that the way of life is contrary. The contrariness that you expect to have is a good way to begin your day. By not expecting perfection, but [allowing] the contrariness of the ways of spirit, will be the best way to look at your days, for you won’t find perfection there, dear ones.
The way of perfection is futile, so don’t expect it, to say the least, because you will be disappointed every time. Your perfection ideals will often hurt you. You have very high standards for yourself, so you need to relax and realize that the way of spirit calls you to realize imperfection and to, in every way, appreciate the imperfect ways of the world.
You can see in your news stories every day that the world is changing rapidly. Your shift in consciousness[1], indeed, is wanting to express itself in many ways, and it does – by mass creations such as explosions, hurricanes, seismic activities. The way you find troubles in your world, in some respects, [is] the shift in consciousness occurring, but also, the way of the world is imperfect. It always will be. There’s no reason to believe that after the shift things will be much different, in some respects. In many ways it will be very different, because you are opening to worlds in you, in your terms.
You can express to yourselves that the worlds are in you, but you haven’t yet allowed them into your experiences. This is the way of spirit. It is in every way interested in your shift, and in your Rose’s way of spirit teachings, we are many times suggesting that you introduce to yourselves realizations of practices that will assist you. And in this, the practice of being contrary is a very important one. We will get back to desires in a moment, for now we will continue to take the floor. We will allow questions in a bit, but first we want to tell you a bit about the nature of love as well the contrariness you’ll expect to find there.
We will begin with a question. What is love? Any takers?
DENISE: Energy?
ROSE: Energy exists in the way you find energy in your expressions, in your romantic liaisons, in your individuals that you love. Yes, indeed.
JIM: Allowance to be.
ROSE: Allowance is a very good word, yes, because love is in every way inducting of reasons to not love, but in truly loving, you will expect to find many reasons to allow, in spite of your expectations of what?
ESTER: Perfection.
ROSE: Exactly, perfection. The way of spirit is indeed, the way of love, and you’ll find that in your loving, the way of spirit will insist on being realized. So in your way of spirit, trust that the way is in every way the way of love, and in this, your contrary natures will allow the best loving expressions that you can imagine. So what is being contrary, exactly?
PAUL: That’s a great question. I’ve been wondering myself. I don’t have an exact definition because it covers a range. As I see it, there can be healthy contrariness, there can be pathological contrariness. It’s not just a hard and fast single definition.
JIM: Resistance to feeling that things have to go your way in perfection, and so on. Life has to… Somebody doesn’t hold your expectations of, and so you resist with your allowance…
BORIS: Your ego.
JIM: It definitely comes in there.
ROSE: In some ways you’re correct, yes. The way you can think of realizing of perfection is in wanting others to be realizing perfection also, but you, of course, can’t reasonably expect that in yourselves or others. So what to do? You are contrary.
You are the most magnificent expressions of consciousness we essences, in many ways, have ever found, because you are so very wanting of realizing of perfection that you will stifle your contrary natures.
To say it another way, you will want to stifle the best, wonderful selves that you have. We’ll give you an example of a contrary action. The way you care for your animals, Yarr, is a beautiful expression of love. When they get wanting to be fed, what do they do?
JIM: They demand to be fed. (Jim laughs)
ROSE: Exactly.
JIM: They let you know.
ROSE: They whinny, they bark, they express refusal to allow themselves to be quiet. They are what?
GROUP: Contrary.
ROSE: Contrary! To say the least, they are wanting only to be satisfied. So what do you do when you’re contrary? You bark, (group laughter) you whinny, you strive to be heard.
When you’re feeling like you need to be perfect, what do you do? Do you whinny? Not so much. Do you bark? Oh… egad! You can’t do that! (Loudly) That wouldn’t be what?
GAIL: Perfect.
ROSE: Perfect! You will not allow yourselves to be wanting any expression that doesn’t suit the way you’ve been raised to be perfect little soldiers in the world. And when you stifle the contrary natures in yourself, you want to scream at times, but you don’t because you want what?
PAUL: To be perfect.
ROSE: Exactly. What are you doing if you’re not being your total selves? You’re not being perfect, are you? So what’s the nature of perfection? Indeed, it’s contrary, because you’ll find that contrariness runs in every direction, and you’ll do well to consider that in many ways perfection is contrary.
Here’s another example. When you show the world that you care, what do you do then? Do you stifle your inner selves?
GROUP: Nothing, no.
ROSE: No, not at all. When you show you care, the world sees in every way your most glorious inner self. You show the world you are essence, in many ways, because why? We are always wanting to provide you with your most loving expressions. So when you care, you show the world that you are indeed essence, and in your actions you have every reason to show the world that you care, but you don’t.
Because why? You are afraid that you will be seen as being imperfect.
Let’s give an example, any takers? We are asking you to tell us when the world sees you as caring, why this would in some ways be in contradiction to looking to be perfect.
JIM: Not feeling responsible?
ROSE: When you’re feeling responsible sometimes you stifle, as well. You have ways of wanting perfection in terms of being responsible when you are wanting to tell others to go jump off a bridge, but that wouldn’t be responsible. Because why? They might do it. (Group chuckles) But what would this be all about anyway? Would this be really your responsibility should someone decide to take you too literally? Of course not!
Another example would be, if you were attending a function in which you were to bring a goodie, but you didn’t, you would appear to, in some ways, be irresponsible, but you wouldn’t necessarily be, because you would normally not do this. So why you would fear not being responsible is… (Pause, Joanne chuckles) …not being the best attendee of a function that you could be. Would you be seen as being contrary? Yes. Would this be being responsible? No.
Now, we are testing weany girl because she’s getting in the way (Paul chuckles) of our words.
PAUL: Notice that Jo laughed a few sentences ago.
ROSE: So we’re testing her to get out of the way.[2] Now, back to our problem of wanting to be contrary, but not wanting to look to be irresponsible; what’s another excellent example? Why you’re so very responsibly perfect today! (Group laughter)
ESTER: I had an example for that, like today happened. I was with friends and I wanted to go do one thing and they wanted to go somewhere else, even though we already decided to do something and I was really mad, and I had to struggle with that because I was afraid to show how upset I was.
ROSE: Exactly, that’s a beautiful example, dear one, that you will find in every individual today has probably done that. They have stifled what they truly desire – we said we’d come back to that – we will – and in this, the desires want to be expressed but you’re too afraid to whine, or whinny for that matter. (Jim chuckles) So do so. The next time you want to allow contrariness, don’t worry about whining. Think of it as a whinny, indeed. For that’s what animals do. They have their desires met in every way. They don’t worry about imperfection, and look how incredibly perfect they are. In so many ways they…
JOANNE: (Laughs as Rose uses a “curse word.”) Sorry.
ROSE: …shit, they pee in ways that are truly, truly shameless. (Jim laughs, as he owns a nearby ranch with over one hundred animals.)
So why would you have any problem doing that in ways that you could see as being totally irresponsible? You wouldn’t. Trust that the way of spirit won’t have you doing this in public. (Group chuckles) But we do want you to allow yourselves to be shamelessly in the world, doing what you want to do, because do you know what you do as a result, to others, when you are beautifully, visibly contrary?
What do you think you do when you whine or whinny?
ESTER: I think it shows them that they can do it too.
ROSE: Exactly, you give them permission to do the same, and what a gift that is. Who else is telling them to do that? No one really.
Now, we’re not talking about being irresponsible in the respect of doing harmful things in the world. There’s whining and there’s whining. So trust that in your spiritual path we will say that there is sometimes reason to whine, and what a beautiful thing that is to take on – to use whining as a spiritual practice. Wouldn’t that be wonderful? To all show up in Church someday and all just whining and whining away? (Group laughs) So do so.
Don’t be afraid to express your true desires and needs, because that’s why you’re human. You’re wanting to express yourself, but you’re afraid of [not] being perfect, and in this you often shame yourselves into thinking that you’re not worthy, that you’re not wanting to “go along” because you’re being difficult. To say that you’re being difficult is exactly the point. To be difficult sometimes is the point.
We will use an analogy to describe this a bit more. What it is to be contrary is the same as being in the world, but without a pocket to piss in. The way you can think of being in the world is without a single thing, because things are so very ephemeral that you can think of your lives as being one moment in length. What will you do with that moment? Will you “go along” in ways you don’t like? Will you try to get satisfaction?
In many ways, the lives you are living are wanting satisfaction. How do you get that in your life? By noticing what you truly desire, then seeing to it that you get those desires met, because in doing this, you are on your spirit’s path. There’s no need to deny your deepest selves which are constituted in your desires. For your desires bring forth your best selves, not the way you’ve been taught, that your desires are in jeopardy when you are your best selves. Because getting your needs met is the first, most important thing you can do for the world.
So we will move now into desires. Why do you think desires are so very important?
PAUL: I think they’re related to our intent, our natural intention and purpose for being as we express ourselves physically.
ROSE: Any other responses?
BORIS: To make us feel good.
ROSE: Good, and what do those things have in common?
DENISE: Value fulfillment.
ROSE: That’s right.
PAUL: Good one.
ROSE: We have an Elias student in our midst, many of them actually. (Group laughter)
That’s excellent, yes! The way you can think of your desires [is] as why you are in the world. To be truly happy is the best way you can be spiritual, because essence wants your happiness. The reasons you have for denying yourselves your desires are not good ones. They are steeped in traditions that are no longer useful to you. They are useful to others who are in that stage of development.
(To Paul) We will go there, Paul.
PAUL: Thank you.
ROSE: We are being integral tonight, indeed, talking about stages. The Rose agenda will incorporate many of the interesting ideas found in the work of Ken Wilber-San.[3] So, do find the desires to be wanting you to find them, because they are wanting to be expressed. If you were a desire, wouldn’t you want to become realized?
What kinds of desires would you think of when you think of desires who want to be expressed in the world? What would they be?
PAUL: The desire to explore.
ROSE: That’s a good one.
BORIS: To be content with what you have.
ROSE: You’re correct – contentment is good – but don’t get overly assuaging of your desires in the process. Contentment can turn ugly when it turns into buffering of needs, and wants, and desires, because the human spirit always wants to desire. In some respects, desires don’t go away. You can think of them as just becoming better desires.
We Roses do have desires. We in the essence world have desires. So you can think of desires as a spiraling path towards the most beautiful expressions you can imagine. So desires fill a need in life to always want to reach. So desires are not ever fully realized, but they are satiated. So don’t go saying that Rose said that desires won’t be satisfied. No one will like to hear that. To take another tack would be to say that desires only want to be manifest. In this, they want to beautifully find you.
What desires do you have that you think aren’t being expressed yet? We’ll turn this over to discussion because you are wanting to talk. We want you to talk, so do so. When you talk, you express not only your words – but essence’s – so do so. Whatever you say is good. So take heart that there are no incorrect answers.
What do you truly desire?
DENISE: I have a question before we get there. You talked about essence’s desires?
ROSE: Yes.
DENISE: Obviously one of our desires is to have this information, that’s why we’re all here. Is it also essence’s desire to have us here? Is it a mutual fulfillment for essence as well as for us? In other words, does essence also desire this, and what does essence get out of this gathering?
ROSE: That is an excellent question, dear one. We are wanting to say more about that. So do continue to express what you desire, and we’ll get back to that. (Pause) Okay, we’re putting you on the spot.
DENISE: Well my greatest desire is to just get more information, like what you’re talking about now. I always want to know what’s around the next corner. Like you reach a plateau and then you want more information, you know, and you keep going for more and more to help you understand essence, and who you are, and the way the world is, and so on and so forth, and you’ve never, ever reached full knowledge because there’s always something beyond that. Whatever you’ve come to understand, it’s just the next step – it’s the beginning of the next phase or the next step – and it just goes on and on and on.
ROSE: Inquiring minds want to know indeed. So why would you ever want to stop doing that? You are essence already. We are essence already. We want to know more all the time as well. So what is the difference between you and I – as Rose?
DENISE: Well, is Rose a collective? I feel like an individual, part of a collective, but I am not consciously aware of it.
ROSE: That is correct, the Rose energy is a collective, but you also are a collective because you have properties, so to speak, that are collections of energies. To say it another way, you are an amalgam of intensities that you hold when you become realizing of your physical bodies – the bodies are essence. So don’t think that that is the difference. The only difference is that you want to express in some ways the physicality that essence doesn’t.
To say that the essences aren’t physical isn’t accurate. The essences are, but the expressions are different. So you are essence, the essences want to inquire always as well, but the differences are in your physicality as well as your sexuality and emotions, as we know Elias has also said.[4] But we’ll make one further distinction – that emotions sometimes can be transcended to allow greater connection with essence. In some respects, emotions do get in the way, but this is tricky business to speak about, because we are not saying that emotions are bad or wrong. They are necessary to you, so don’t say Rose said emotions are bad. They are necessary to your experience, as we are suggesting that sexuality is as well, but the emotions can be transcended to allow a greater allowance for essence in your lives. In this, the way of spirit will assist because as trusty Janaki[5] said earlier, the way of spirit is in every way about intentionality.
So why are you, specifically, dear one, collecting all this information? Do you know why?
DENISE: To better understand myself.
ROSE: That’s good, because what do teachers typically do?
DENISE: Teach. (Laughs)
ROSE: Exactly, by trusting themselves to learn. And you, my dear, will want to teach someday. We are making a crystal ball prediction, but we are wanting to expand the Rose teachings, and every one of you here tonight has the potential to be a teacher of Rose – each and every one of you. So trust that there’s reasons why you’re drawn to this information, because specifically you have requested us to teach you. So we are doing that through Joanne who is another of our students. You may all channel someday. Isn’t that something?
PAUL: (Laughing) It’s a terrifying thought. (Group laughs)
ROSE: Take it from us, it’s been no picnic for Joanne. (More laughter) So in order to express your intentionality that has been in you since birth: what is the best way to realize that? We discussed this previously tonight so we’re just hinting – you can express to yourself your deepest desires, and in this the way of spirit is found. Look to your desires to point the way for your greatest fulfillment, and we will assist.
What do you desire? We’ll ask again.
SHIREEN: Creative connections, spiritual connections, generating contributions to the planet to help in what ways possible, and to be fearless.
ROSE: That’s music to our ears. (Paul laughs) We will say that you hit on a few good words. We will say that fearlessness is, in your terms, essential to the way of spirit. The fearlessness you have in many ways trusts us gods to be in charge sometimes. When you fear, it’s because your ego selves want to express that they are in charge. They are not in charge, we [essence selves] are, but this is not to say that your ego selves are bad. They are wanting only to protect you from the things they fear, and they fear based on what they’ve learned in your experience. The ego selves only know what you have experienced. They are wanting the lessons that essence has to share with them.
So fearing things is your ego being afraid. Your essence self says, (Whispering) “Let’s keep going.” And so you do – in trust – for ego will put the brakes on every time, and that is ego’s job. Your essence selves want to beautifully create the best expressions for you. So you can fear not that when essence calls to you, that the way of spirit is calling as well, and this is in every way the way of fearlessness.
You can express that the way of spirit is the way of love, and of fearlessness as well, and of your truest desires, your intentionality. The way you heard the word wellbeing is important as well, for wellbeing is the way of spirit also, because what more would you wish for the world than wellbeing? And your TumIlda self calls to you specifically to heal and restore a sense of wellbeing in the world.[6]
Wellbeing is the natural state that creatures of all kinds have established in spirit that gets into fearful ways and is, therefore, put aside. So wellbeing, in some respects, is inherent in every thing around you. But fear is what will cause suffering and dis-ease: D-I-S dash E-A-S-E. Dis-ease is the natural state gone fearful, by way of others fearing for that individual or from that individual fearing, because the individual can shun fear in order to become well. This is the Tumold way of healing: not healing, but allowing wellbeing to re-enter the individual.
Now we want to also say that the word community is music to our ears. You’ve found a great master in Elias. We are Elias, so we can say that with all sincerity and humility. (Group laughs) So we will say that Elias was incorrect in some respects, because he was teaching you.
Don’t get too caught up in our assertion that Elias was incorrect. We Roses are incorrect. We Seths are incorrect. We Jesuses are sometimes incorrect. There are no absolutes ever. Now, that’s what?
GROUP: An absolute.
ROSE: Exactly, and a contrary expression. The very nature of your philosophies are by nature contrary. “There are no absolutes” is an absolute, of course. So don’t take anyone’s word for it when they say they have The Truth. They do not, ever, ever, ever! So don’t be fooled by us nuns[7] either, because we will make fun of Elias sometimes. He will do the same, in time, with regard to us Roses, but for now we will say that he was slightly incorrect in your Rose’s terms, not in absolute terms, not in Elias’ terms. He wasn’t trying to trick you, but in Rose’s terms there are some reasons for not allowing emotions to fetter, in some respects.
You can trust that your emotions will want to be allowed – always – and the way you can think of them are indeed as communications, but we will point the way towards using your emotions in ways that Elias didn’t get to yet. And that is that when your emotions communicate with you, they are inviting to the experience your need to find expression with regard to others, and in this, the way of spirit calls to you to serve in your community.
We will say that in some respects, Elias’ teachings were what you needed at one time, but now you’re graduating into the school of Rose, and in this you need to be less selfish in some respects, but more selfish in others. And in this, the community is the place for your best expressions. So when you think of community, what do you think of?
GAIL: People we connect with.
PAUL: Group, a group of people.
DENISE: Like-minded people.
ROSE: Sometimes yes, like-minded sometimes, not always perhaps. Community is where you find it. This is, in some respects, your community here. You are here together with a common purpose. You brought gifts to each other.[8] What a beautiful expression of community. We want to assure you that the way of spirit will call you to be in the world in ways that would best be described as community. So you will be…
JOANNE: Sorry. (Laughing) I don’t know why I am laughing. This is Jo speaking. I don’t know why all of a sudden I’m laughing.[9]
ROSE: You will be allowed to laugh. (Jo laughs) You will be allowed to cry. You will be allowed to beat the heck out of the world when it needs it, because there’s no reason to believe that you will not need to beat the hell out of people sometimes. And in this, we mean only in the sense that there are individuals who need to be brought to justice.[10] And in this you have the essence’s permission to do what you need to in order to express your contrary natures to stop the terrorists. In allowing the terrorists, you have the best reasons to stay in your homes and shut your doors. You have allowed the terrorists to win because you’re so afraid of what?
GROUP: Not being perfect.
ROSE: Exactly. You’re afraid of not looking to be very nice about it, and in this, your ideas of perfection and your inability, or inallowance, of contrariness is getting in your way of spirit.
Do you understand what I’m saying? We’re saying, we not I, we’re saying that you, in every way, are the best spiritual teachers you could ever hope to be in the world.
Let me express that again. You, in every way, are indeed the best spiritual teachers you could ever hope to be in the world. Why wouldn’t you want to do this? You can answer that question. Why wouldn’t you want to be the best spiritual teachers in the world?
JIM: It’s a desire of mine.
ROSE: Exactly. Good one, Yarr! Anyone else want to be a spiritual teacher?
ESTER: Yeah.
PAUL: Sure, I’ll throw my hat in.
ROSE: Okay, any other individuals feel a desire, or perhaps as a teacher of another, or of any other responsibility besides spiritual teaching?
DENISE: I have an issue with the word teach, because I don’t think you actually teach anyone. You cause them to remember who they really are, and they do the remembering. You’re not teaching them, they already have the knowledge. You’re just causing them to remember.
PAUL: You’re leading a horse to water, but you’re not making it drink.
DENISE: I wouldn’t call it horses, but yeah.
PAUL: It’s just a metaphor.
ROSE: (Whinnying neigh - Group laughs)
JIM: But you’re also offering that person information of your own experience.
DENISE: Right, exactly. And you can offer it to them and they can do whatever they want with it, accept it, reject it, whatever.
JIM: I think that to me that’s what teaching is, expressing your experience.
ESTER: Mmhm.
ROSE: You could say that. You could say there are many different styles of teaching as well. You could say that you may be denying your knowledge by saying that you don’t teach, you do. When you are teaching, you are wanting to cause a remembrance, but that’s understood in some respects in the spiritual traditions, because you have Spirit in you as well. Why you would not want to share teaching, in some ways, is your not being contrary enough, because you’re saying that they are in every way perfect individuals in need of no reasons to change.
You would be correct, in some respects, but in other ways you would be incorrect, because, beautiful people, they need you in so many ways to share what you know. You can find many reasons to be perfectly stifling of your knowledge when you go into the place that says, “They are always perfect.” Of course they are, but they need you to tell them things they don’t always remember.
DENISE: Right, so you’re a guider more than anything else.
ROSE: So you would guide them in what ways?
DENISE: So I could only guide them through my understanding, which is not absolute, it’s my understanding. So I’m giving them my understanding, but they have to find their own understanding, and they can go through the same understanding I have, or they can find their own unique understanding, which is unique to them.
ROSE: In your terms, the way of spirit calls to you to teach in ways that realize a guide sort of style. And in this, you can do this in many ways. You can stand in front of a classroom and guide, couldn’t you? You could choose a way that was very gentle, and guide in ways that would be considered non-intrusive.
We understand this is your comfort level, but we’re only suggesting that you realize that, in some respects, your wanting to not be contrary is stifling… your desire to guide. Because when you go to the place that says “you know this already,” you are discounting what you know. They don’t know what you know. They have it inside them, but they don’t know it, really. So take heed to stay on your path, but don’t be dissuaded by the idea that they don’t need you to teach them. They do. So do so.
PAUL: When I was a classroom teacher we had a spectrum of pedagogical approaches, and it’s kind of what you’re talking about. On the one extreme, there’s the “sage on the stage,” and there’s people who learn from life experience that they can share with others. And people learn from them in mentorship, apprenticeship, and the guilds of the premodern era.
So the sage is an important role to play, and yet the more modern and postmodern approach as we understand it, there’s a “guide at the side” – the facilitator. Now these are two extremes, and I think there’s a healthy middle ground in between, and that’s just kind of what you’ve been talking about. So the “sage on the stage” to the “guide at the side” are different modalities of teaching in the world and being in the world.
ROSE: There are as many ways to teach as there are diamonds. You are diamonds in the rough. You can be cut any number of ways to bring out your clarity, your color, your shine, your light. To say in another way, you are many-faceted teachers. There are several ways each of you can employ to teach, and we’ve named a few, including the idea that you set an example when you speak up in class. Even when you speak up to managers in department stores, when you are contrary, you set an example you can expect others to follow, and they will.
So there are many ways to teach, including the way of music. Your music teaches the way of spirit because it is the voice of spirit, in many ways. Music reaches into individuals in ways truly nothing else does, in physical terms. Music is the way that essences… most directly connect with individuals who are physically focused. It is a harkening towards essence in ways that are truly remarkable, because exactly what is music?
PAUL: It’s a language, as I think of it, of sound to me.
BORIS: Vibration, frequency.
ROSE: Tone, vibration, frequency, pitch, chord, progressions, rhythms…
DENISE: Mathematics.
BORIS: (Muffled)
ROSE: …mathematics. What’s that?
BORIS: Cultural traditions.
ROSE: Cultural traditions, exactly, expressions of beliefs, of joy, of sorrows, of emotions in every way. What’s that?
JIM: Of Self.
ROSE: That’s exactly what you are, isn’t it?
DENISE: Well, isn’t the universe “one verse.” “Uni” means one and “verse” means song, so it’s one song.
ROSE: Very good. The word universe means one song, exactly, and we’ve been assisting Joanne in a book by that name.[11] Indeed, the universe is widely thought of as one song by scientific terms as well, because they know it’s one thing essentially. Good scientists, that is.
PAUL: Isn’t that the whole grand unified theory, the GUTs that are out there looking for the fundamental notes of the scale – the strings, the p-branes, and other quantum theories looking for the basic foundational building blocks of matter.
ROSE: Exactly. The way of spirit is indeed one song as well, because it will insist on exclaiming your oneness, and in music you all respond similarly, in spite of the feeling you don’t. To take a word from the musical books, it’s a tone that you respond to, and your wanting to respond to a particular tone is what differentiates you from one another. So your ghetto-blasters will sound the alarm for some individuals in ways that are attractive, but for you maybe not so much.
This doesn’t mean you are that different in your physicality, you’re not. But you do respond differently based on your intentionality, your emotional state, the state you’re in when you sense the music in you. So the universe is in many ways a multiple chord progression in time, and when you find the chord that you feal is your chord, you can expect to be truly happy. In your terms, the chord is your intentionality. Every reason for living has to do with why you chose to be born, and in this, you can express to yourselves what your intentionality is. And we will wait.
What is your intentionality dear one?
PAUL: Well, I have this old teacher named Elias who gave me an exercise years ago called the Intent Name Exercise, and so I’ve done a lot of meditating about this, so I’m kind of cheating in my answer.[12]
ROSE: (Chuckling) That’s why we asked you.
PAUL: I have a good answer (Group laughs)
ROSE: You’re our confederate.
PAUL: I’m not just making it up in the moment, but my own intention as I can best tell through looking back on 52 years of life breaks down into three general categories. The first one is to teach – I’ve always been a teacher – and the second one is to be an artist, creative, music, channeling research, and science education. And the third one is piercing the veil, which is seeking the remembrance of Self. I’ve had a gift in that area and I’ve explored lucid dreaming and projections of consciousness specifically, because I just do it naturally. I’ve always done it. As a kid I thought everybody did it, and didn’t realize that not everybody was having lucid dreams like I was. So those are the three general areas of my intent and desire that keeps me happy and fulfilled and physically focused.
PAUL: It’s a Sumari phrase: Kagid al tumbra, which doesn’t mean much to anybody, but Kagid is me – my essence selves, and the al tumbra is one who teaches, creates, and pierces the veil. Now, that took me a long time to come up with. (Jo chuckles) It doesn’t just fall in your lap. This took a period of months and years that I worked this exercise and played with these things, and it still holds up today, nine years later.
ROSE: That’s why we called on you, because you’ve done the work in that respect. The way of spirit calls on each of you to determine your essence’s intentionality as well as your physical focus. So, in your terms, the way of spirit is as a teacher, an artist, and a seeker of spiritual knowing. And in this, you have created a very nice tone or name for yourself.
Now, the weany girl – Joanne – is expressing a name of Brings Colors, and she discovered this in a meditation many years ago. She didn’t know why she chose this name, and in the way of spirit she’s learned that in some respects it is a good one, because we are bringing many colors in that will fill in your spiritual palette, and these colors aren’t always pretty.
The way of spirit is indeed recognizing even the ugly colors, for there is much to be sorely needed in the world as far as suffering, in your terms, because needing is so very needy. Sorely needing needs to be brought into perspective, and in turning your backs to the ugly colors of life, is not embracing the way of spirit. In this, the contrary natures of your lives will be a part of your paths. So turn your attentions to your inner wonder so as to interest yourselves in your intentionality.
By the way, we will be asking you about this next time. We hope you’ll provide yourselves with some names to call yourselves, if you don’t already. We’ll help you if you’d like, but we’d like for you to say your names that you’ll come up with in the meantime. Don’t worry. (Humorously) We won’t embarrass you with odd names like Seeks Embarrassment or Wants To Go Home, or anything like that. So do try to discover your intentionality as well as your intent name, because this is very important to your path.
We will break, unless you’d like to end for the evening.
PAUL: Well it’s been about an hour and 15 minutes. Let’s put it to the group, I’m sure you’re hungry and could use some food. So perhaps we could take a dinner break and have desert and whatever, and maybe if Rose feels like returning? I’m sure there’ll be conversation over dinner wondering what the hell we were just listening to for the last hour and fifteen minutes, too. (Jo laughs)
ROSE: That’s fine. We suggest a good meal will help you discover your inner wonder, so do so. We’ll speak to you at a later time. To say the least, we look forward to speaking with you many, many times in the future. We trust you will have a wonderful meal, so we will say, “Ta ta” for now.
GROUP: Thank you Rose.
BREAK: 6:20 PM.
RESUME: 8:13 PM.
ROSE: (Pace is slow) Now, the way of spirit for you is in every way a fearless thing, as well as fulfilling thing, because you need to both rely upon your particular intentionality then do everything you can to insure that you fulfill your destiny. The destiny you will fulfill, in a sense, isn’t exactly your current definition of destiny, which is that there is a reality that is necessarily provided so as to follow a course in which you will be most satisfied.
The way of spirit allows many destinies that you would find fulfilling, so there isn’t just one destiny. There are infinite destinies that you would find fulfilling, so this is Rose’s definition of destiny, which is multiple ways of finding satisfaction in your lives. The way you can think of the way of spirit is as a way of destiny, because this will be a way to consider that you are already on the path you’ve chosen, and you are already, in terms of destiny, already reaching that destiny.
So, to move on to fulfilling ways of spirit, realize that fearless ways are also important, because fearlessness allows you to grow, as well as to provide yourselves with the best, most accomplishable means towards your destiny. Your fearlessness is what moves you into areas that others won’t like, for example. You may need to disappoint others who have some other ideas about what it is you should be doing.
There may be things that need to change in order for you to take on other things that are related to the things in need of changing. Then you’ll need to change them. For example, if your degree program in your college doesn’t give you what you need to study, you need to either take it on in other ways, or find ways to change the system. If your financial systems don’t work, you need to change them. If your political systems don’t work, you need to change them.
In other words, in order to change, you may need to change things outside of yourselves first. This takes some degree of fearlessness, but when you are aligned to your ways of spirit, you are allowing more goodness, in a sense, to come into your lives. This helps change things in ways that help you align to your intentionality. In other words, things go better, in your terms, with intent, and in this, you will find that intentions are so very powerful, you could say they do move mountains, for when you are truly doing what you desire in your way of spirit, in many ways you’ll imagine great and small things will go your way. For example, the weany girl…
JOANNE: (Chuckles) That’s her name for me.
ROSE: …the weany girl had an experience that was in every way impossible. When she was a very small girl she was thrown (Jo laughs) into the water to learn to swim or sink. To say the least, she sank (Paul chuckles) fearing that she couldn’t swim, but if she would have not feared, she would have swum. In your terms, this is exactly what you do all the time. You fear that things will go badly, [and] they do. If you are trusting of yourselves, this won’t happen. So trust that we realize this is sounding very pat in some respects, but you’ll see that when you are indeed fearless, things will work out for you, because…? Why?
GAIL: Trust in yourself.
ROSE: We are you. We are always here for you. We are wanting to assist. Your essences are your gods. We are always here to serve you, not the other way around. You’ve been raised to believe that you are here to serve your gods, and in some respects there is a sort of partnership, because we want you to be happily making your way in the world to do good works, but this is not to say this is any different than what you truly want for yourselves.
In this, the realization of the partnership is, in many ways, what you’re learning now. You’re learning that essence is not only speaking with you, but is partners with you. And in this, there’s no need to fear anything – even death or suffering. There are always, always essences there to heal, to teach, to learn, to speak with, and in this, there’s never any need to realize loneliness ever again.
You know we speak with Joanne in her thoughts, in her dreams. Why would you not believe we’re here for you as well? For we are always, and in this, your teachings will continue, for we want only the best for you. And in this, we beautifully wish to encourage you towards teaching the ways of spirit to the world. We are recruiting teachers to provide their best, most loving ways in the world in as many ways as you can imagine. To take on this challenge is why you’re drawn to this forum, and we would like to take you up on your own offer to yourselves.
So what to say about that, indeed, dear ones?
You have the abilities. You have the time to learn from us. We want to speak with you in every way possible, so trust that we’ll be reaching into your dreams tonight and every night.[13] You only need to realize that we’re there. So do so.
Any questions?
DENISE: What is consciousness?
ROSE: (Pace continues to be slow) That’s a very big question, because consciousness is very big indeed. Consciousness, to say it in simplest terms that you know, is the water of your days. It is the foremost liquid in which your reality is created and is realized. The way of spirit is the ability to realize how very fluid consciousness is, so much so that the way [of spirit] will teach you how to manipulate it in ways you aren’t yet aware of. So to say that consciousness is big will, in many ways, make you realize that it’s also on your side. So when you feal the need to reverse an action or find alternate views of reality, the liquidity of consciousness will allow it in ways that you’ll truly find astonishing. There is no reason to believe that you can’t call up a turkey, in your terms, in your moments of your days, instantly.[14]
To say that consciousness is that is only partly correct. While this is true, it is also partial. There is a solidity to consciousness as well that creates the realities that you mostly experience. The realities that you face daily will, in some ways, become malleable as you learn greater ways of spirit, but will always carry a kind of solidity about them that is impenetrable, in some ways. For example, your reality incorporates gravity and musculature of earthly structures. These will beautifully continue, but in subtle ways they are also very fluid.
Consciousness is a bigger affair than that as well. It is a finely tuned, tonal, profound orchestration of godhood. In your terms, it is “one song” of your universe and everything beyond it. We suggest it is everything you can possibly imagine, and then some. So consciousness, while being the water in your lives, is also the song of the spirit, and the way that spirit plays in all things everywhere, always.
So don’t be wanting to only think of consciousness as something that is in your brains. It isn’t. It is wide beyond measure – as are you – and you are in every way consciousness in every cell, and in all things that you create around you. Everywhere, in everything, is consciousness, from the most minute cell in an ant’s body to the widest of planets in your solar system. Consciousness is all that, and as many forms as it can possibly take.
So be aware you are part of a wondrous creation of consciousness that spans all time and space and this, my dear ones, is why we are here tonight: to remind you of your vast, impossible probabilities that await you in time and in space. For that’s exactly where we are and you are as well, in some respects, so tune into us to find who you are. Tune into us to realize how beautiful life is. Tune into us to truly find out who the real stars in your galaxies are, because they are you, and that is why we’re here: to remind you of your beauty, and your powers, and your beautiful lives that await you on your earth, as well as beyond it, for you will never die. You will never find ways to not be, and in this, you only need to be reminded.
We know you will find truly beautiful things ahead of you. Don’t fear, only love, and that’s why we’re here, too: to show you how to love again. And in this, you need only to begin with yourselves, for in loving self, you will find the way of spirit, and in doing, that you will love all things, even the things that seem unworthy need your love to thrive, because they are your consciousness as well, and you will indeed learn this in time. So does that answer your question, dear one?
(Group chuckles) We will ask you a question also. That is, why do you ask?
DENISE: Well, everything comes back to consciousness, so I think a better understanding of consciousness would be helpful. You know it kind of folds back onto consciousness being the beginning of everything.
JIM: Does that go back to everything is energy, so consciousness can also be defined as energy, as movement, as this flow like you expressed with water, it’s a flow of…
DENISE: And I was thinking of… remember Seth’s definition of the dilemmas of All-That-Is?[15] It’s the dilemma to express every single aspect of Itself, but It could never do that so that’s the desire to express creative consciousness which is, you know, Consciousness then tries to express everything about It, and you can’t ever express everything because the expression creates more expansion, and it just goes on, and on, and on. It will never ever express Itself entirely, completely so…
JIM: And we’re trying to express something that’s inexpressible, within a linear thought.
PAUL: It’s ineffable.
DENISE: Right.
PAUL: It’s sort of like the wetness of water. You know I’m thinking of fish. Do they even know they’re in water? You know, it’s invisible to them. So there’s an ineffable invisible…
JIM: And fish don’t even really know what water is. It just is.
PAUL: Right. Like for us the atmosphere, the air we’re breathing.
DENISE: And the concept of dry would have no meaning to them whatsoever.
PAUL: Right, when they get washed up on a beach swimming away from another predator. Then they know what dry is. (Laughing) It’s not such a good thing.
JIM: That’s what I’ve seen with the animals. The animals believe it, and they have a concept of their nature and their environment, but they don’t have any concept of a tree or grass, or they just know that it is just there.
And Rose just like you expressed earlier: we’ll be at a birthday party in somebody’s back yard and there’ll be, you know fifty, sixty people around, and the pony has to go to the bathroom, and she just lets loose right there and everybody is pointing and everything, and she’s like, so what?
PAUL: I don’t care.
JIM: And she has no feelings about it, you can’t make her feel bad or anything. She is just being who she is, and to me that’s just the most beautiful part of expression. (Chuckling)
ROSE: That’s exactly correct that you’ve expressed that the pony doesn’t know any better. Why should you worry about the way of spirit? For you will beautifully create the same kinds of expressions when you fear less, as well. You may find expressions that others will not tolerate. Why would you care what they think? Indeed. Now pooping on their lawns (Laughter) may be another thing entirely, but we are using a metaphor here that’s very appropriate, because the pony doesn’t fear what others will think, why should you?
(To Denise) And we’d like to go back to the question we posed to you earlier about the question you asked. Why did you ask the question? You wanted clarity, correct?
DENISE: Yeah.
ROSE: You wanted to beautifully realize the best definition that you might imagine. So why did you want that accuracy?
DENISE: I don’t know that I want definition, because for me definition seems limited. It’s like it’s this and not that, because I think it’s this and that, it’s everything. So I wanted a clearer, broader perspective or better understanding of consciousness in general. And I was thinking along the lines of what Seth had said about it being action, and it’s the action itself. It’s sort of All-That-Is in action, or some kind of reference, so I’m trying to wrap my mind around that.
ROSE: Why?
FEMALE: Because that’s my intent in life is to understand these questions. (Laughs)
ROSE: That’s exactly the right answer. Why indeed do you do anything? We are aware you want to enjoy your life and find work that pleases you, so why not consider your intentionality in the process? And to ask yourselves to speak up on things that you find interesting is a way to clue into what you desire. When you find yourself asking questions about something, that’s a geanius way of expressing to yourself what you need to know.
G-E-A-N-I-U-S. Geanius is our term for how you create the way of spirit sometimes. When you are most aligned with your intentionality, you are geaniusly both following your destiny in a sense, but you’re also heeding the call of your own cells, your own genes, your own destiny, in your terms, that exists in your very bones. So when you find yourself looking into something for more information, consider that it is for a very good reason. So do so, (Slyly) and we will suggest that you will find a teacher who asks a lot of questions is a very good one, indeed.
You’re being recruited into the convent (Denise laughs) of Rose; “convent” in a sense of teachers who are “nuns.” We use the term nuns somewhat delicately because we are somewhat nun-like in our approaches. We don’t like terror makers. We do discipline others. We don’t allow some things into your ways, like hatred, or some things other than deeply appreciating your lives. (Humorously) So when you get out of line we’re there with a ruler to slap your knuckles.
So continue to realize that Rose is a body of energies that is posing, in some respects, as different characters in order to appeal to your senses, but we are very wide indeed. We are not one individual, indeed, we are multi-millionaires in regard to the number of focuses in physical reality that we are connected to.
We don’t have any direct physical focuses, but we do, save a few, have many essences that do have physical focuses. So when we say we’re a nun, we’re only half joking to get the point across that you have been privy to information that would cause you to believe that there is no right or wrong, good or bad. And in some respects this is the case in essence terms, but not in physical terms. And in this, you need to not confuse yourselves further, because there are better works than others, and the way of spirit is about finding your best works in your world as individuals.
We will help you and we will prod you in the same way we are our dear Denise. So any takers on how you would like to express your intentionality in the world? Or, if you are already doing so, please do speak up.
GAIL: I’m doing mine, I believe. I term it the Rainbow Connector within and without, and I always notice that I’m somebody’s cheerleader, supporting someone in their movement.
ROSE: You’re correct. The connectors are very strong in you, especially because you have the Borledim intentionality in your aligned-with.[16] You seek ways to allow others to thrive, and you do an excellent way of spirit. In this, you need only perhaps to expand your reach a bit beyond your realizing of your familial connections. You have a great wealth of goodness to share in the world. We’d like to see you do that…
GAIL: I’m working on it. (Laughs)
ROSE: …in ways you don’t yet. That’s correct. The way of spirit is always dependent upon your comfort level. There’s no reason to believe that you need to listen to Rose, only do intend to listen to [your essence] William, indeed.
GAIL: Mmhm.
ROSE: We will allow another question if you’d like.
BORIS: I would like to ask Rose if she would come and visit me in my conscious state or dream state. I feel that I have been communicating with her through another human medium, which makes it somewhat impersonal, and I’d like to meet her face to face, to become what we call a believer, and have a personal epiphany. Is this something that could happen?
PAUL: (Humorously) Careful what you ask for. (Group laughs)
GAIL: No kidding. (Much laughter)
PAUL: Be prepared. We’re here to help.
GAIL: Until he starts crumbling.
JIM: I think we all want to dance.
PAUL: Yeah, but we’re all afraid – right? – to be a fearless person.
JIM: That’s what we’re here for – to explore, to pierce the veils, have an epiphany. That was a good term.
PAUL: We all want proof.
JIM: Validation.
PAUL: We all want direct experiential proof, and it’s a beautiful request to put out to the universe.
DENISE: I think the reason we don’t have it is we don’t allow it.
PAUL: That’s actually the first big step to opening. You know they say enlightenment is an accident and practice makes you accident prone, so that’s the other part of it, too. But setting your intention to the universe to be open to perhaps a very un-ordinary, extra-ordinary, supra-ordinary, non-ordinary…
JIM: Non-ordinary.
SHIREEN: But one that is loving and positive and has goodness for the world, because I think in consciousness, in the unseen realm, there is much to Spirit and to essence. So this is something that builds on what you shared.
ROSE: That’s exactly right, and you can expect that Rose is doing what she can in some respects, but the way of spirit calls to you to do as well. You are here for reasons that you, in some cases, know about, but the way that Rose has been invited into your lives is due to your own realization of the need for more information. So we are talking with you now in this way, but we are always talking with you in spirit – in your dreams, in the calls of birds, in ways that you will find funny also.
The way of spirit is always interesting, and has enormous reach into your lives. We are your lives, so trust that you’ll find the way of spirit calling to you in every way possible. When you get that impulse that you didn’t have a moment before, you could very well be on your way to getting the best of what spirit has to offer you. So follow your impulses, follow your impressions and intuitions to connect most directly with essence. That’s the way of spirit for you and everyone indeed.
(Humorously) We will allow one more question before you go to sleep entirely tonight. (Laughter, as the group is getting tired.)
GAIL: I have a little question. Tonight when I was making the cornbread I had an interaction with a napkin. Was that my connection with my awareness of consciousness of the napkin and communicating it to myself?
ROSE: The napkin wanted you to beautifully create a spot to use it on, and when it didn’t get to do the job it thought it came there for, eating itself was called for. Do you understand?
GAIL: Mmhm.
PAUL: Want to explain it to the rest of us? (Group laughter)
GAIL: Oh, well I was making the cornbread and I took a paper towel off because my hands were a little bit wet, and I set it on the counter and I was aware it was moving and communicating to me, not like a regular, you know, you set a napkin down and it sits there. Well this one was like totally moving, and interacting, and I know it’s telling me something, but I’m watching it and there’s a communication, but I’m totally not understanding the communication, and Rose clarified it.
ROSE: Your napkin wanted only to be of service to you, and when you didn’t put it into service, it wanted to find ways to serve itself, so to speak.
GAIL: Okay, got it. (Group chuckles) It was fun.
ESTER: Nothing nasty.
GAIL: Pardon me?
FEMALE: Not its intention.
ROSE: That’s exactly right.
JIM: It has its own consciousness.
ROSE: Everything has its own intention.
GAIL: That’s really cute.
DENISE: Isn’t there a Twilight Zone episode like that? (Group laughs)
GAIL: In my house there always is. (Group laughter) There’s always something going on.
DENISE: Communicating napkins.
GAIL: Yeah, well hey! (Laughs)
PAUL: Does anyone remember Jane Roberts’ “paper creature”? There’s a story about that too, there was a more subtle realm bleedthrough in my understanding of it.[17]
ROSE: That’s why you need to pay attention to these things.
PAUL: Right.
ROSE: Spirit talks to you in every way possible when you listen indeed.
PAUL: And it’s not like a little mouth appears and it starts speaking in English. (Laughter) I would be very concerned about that to be honest. (More group laughter)
ROSE: Not always, sometimes yes.
PAUL: You know, right, but the kind of empathic exchange, energetic exchange is valid and personalized to you and that napkin at that moment.
GAIL: Mmhm.
PAUL: For your noticing and intention, and whether or not you have a narrative interpretation of it – you know story line – is entirely up to you I guess.
GAIL: Well it’s kind of like if you had a cat, and the cat walked up to you and moved back and forth across your legs, and walked away, you can accept that. But if it’s a napkin, most people don’t accept that. But I was listening. (Group chuckles)
PAUL: Right, paying attention.
ROSE: As well you should, dear one, because you do talk to all things always. Most of you do, you just don’t pay attention to what you say, or what the napkin says, in this case. So you were correct that the thing, in every way, was a subtle energetic communication. We will allow you one more question…
PAUL: A bonus!
ROSE: …if it is in line with what you’re thinking of as your intentionality.
SHIREEN: Oh, okay.
PAUL: Bonus question time. Shireen has one.
SHIREEN: I would like to have you share a bit about the essences and their intentions and particularly with regard to doing this kind of work, and taking it to the larger realm of the world in terms of possibly good intent, loving intentions, good will, (tape noise as Rumi the cat walks on the recorder) and the other realms, and how to approach this in positive light, protected in a sense.
ROSE: We will say more about this topic at other times, because it is a very deep subject that you’re teaching us tonight. To say that you’re teaching us is why we’re here tonight. That is to say that you just said it all: you are wanting to find ways to learn to express these ideas in the world.
There are no realms that are not loving ones, in subtle terms. There is no reason to believe in a “devil realm,” for example, so when you align with the essence world, there is no reason to fear anything. That’s all goodness in that realm. So that’s only one part of the entire story, but we’ll say that you called it in terms that you will learn to teach, in that you have already expressed that you’re wanting to move the ideas into the world, and you shall. And essence will help you.
Do the things that you want and essence truly will provide the ways to do so.
DREW: What if your intentionality is to create a life of misery and unhappiness?
ROSE: That’s not your intentionality.
DREW: Not mine.
ROSE: Ever.
DREW: No one’s ever?
ROSE: Never.
DREW: To experience a life of difficulty and struggle and unhappiness is never anyone’s intentionality?
ROSE: The reasons for suffering are many, but to truly, in every way, live an intentional life always allows happiness – always – and in ignoring or otherwise finding ways to get out of the way of spirit, the person will find unhappiness, by only ignoring his deepest desires, if nothing else.
BORIS: Are there other things like destiny, or just luck and coincidence? Are we predestined to have a certain kind of life before we are incarnated in this realm?
ROSE: In the way we’ve described destiny, there is destiny which can be many potential paths, but there’s no one destiny, and you could say that luck is, in many ways, the work of spirit as well.
(Slowly) There are very few ways to find solace when you believe that life is random. Luck is the belief that life is random and sometimes you get a break. This isn’t true about life or anything in the universe, really, as far as we know. There’s always a sort of plan, but not in the strict sense of the word plan. In this, we mean there’s providence always at work in the universe. There’s never anything or anyone that is truly separate or alone.
As we said previously, the way you can discover this is in your interests, because in your interests lie your essences working to your benefit and to the realization of your deepest desires. So when something lucky happens, it’s spirit working in you and in your life, always.
Any other questions or offerings of intentionality? Would you like to offer an intention name at the next gathering, perhaps, if you haven’t already? We suggest doing that. It’s an excellent, excellent exercise, and we would like to commend you on your fine attention this evening. We will very much look forward to seeing you in your dreams as well. We love you and we want you to know that you are always with your essences, and they are always with you, indeed.
BORIS: Can I just ask one quick question? To follow up on what we just discussed. Do people have… in most cultures there is a popular belief in guardian angels. So are there entities that are following, the same entities as throughout our lifetime that are helping us out?
ROSE: They are always with you. They may take different forms depending on what you’re doing at the time, but you can think of us as guardian angels, yes.
Okay. We’ll say goodnight and sweet dreams, and we look forward to speaking with you again! Ta ta!
GROUP: Thank you Rose.
(Rose Departs: 9:10 PM.)
(Transcribed by Nardine Neilson, May 21, 2008)
Endnotes
[1] Paul’s note: the “shift in consciousness” is a phrase coined by Elias, channeled by Mary Ennis. It points to massive global changes occurring to all humanity that began in the early twentieth century and will culminate around the year 2075. This is not a hard and fast date, just an end point in most probable probabilities. This shift has been interpreted in many different ways to date. For example, Seth referred to as a religious reformation that would feature the return of the “Christ entity” to be completed by 2075. Physicist Peter Russell called it an approaching singularity or white hole in time, social philosopher and psychologist Ken Wilber called it the centaur stage of development that features “vision-logic,” sociologist Jean Gebser called it the integral-aperspectival structure-stage of collective evolution, John White predicted the emergence of a new species of human called homo noeticus, Elias’ “shift in consciousness” is also now used by The Institute for Noetic Sciences, author Arjuna Ardagh called it The Translucent Revolution, futurist Ray Kurzweil envisioned an Age of Spiritual Machines, and on and on we go!
[2] Paul’s note: This is a good example of when Joanne takes too much personal interest in the words coming through her fingers as she translates and speaks them, as distortions may occur. So Rose uses tests to train Joanne to sense when she’s taking too much interest and needs to become more detached and just allow the words to come through. This is an ongoing process at this early stage of the phenomenon.
[3] Paul’s note: I have discussed the impact that various stages of development have in terms of spiritual growth several times with Rose. Obviously she has a different perspective than I do, but in general Rose understands my intent in this area and agrees with much of my research based on Ken Wilber’s work. As always, she attempts to push my understanding into areas that include transpersonal and metaphysical potentials.
[4] Paul’s note: According to Elias, sexuality and emotions are baselines of human experience. Developmental psychologists agree in the sense that they have mapped the emergence of human sexual and emotion development in the later stages of infancy, or what Ken Wilber calls Fulcrum 2, which begins around 18 months of age. For more information, see Digests: the belief system of sexuality and emotions.
[5] Paul’s note: Rose referred to me by the essence name given me by Kris, channeled by Serge Grandbois. She also uses the essence name – Caroll – given me by Elias. At this stage, I don’t need another unique essence name from Rose, and she hasn’t offered one, though she has provided newcomers with essence names. For more information, see Digests: essence names.
[6] Paul’s note: Rose referred to Shireen’s “belonging to” as Tumilda, a hybrid family of Tumold and Ilda. For more information, see Digests: essence families; subdivisions.
[7] Paul’s note: Rose uses the nun metaphor from Jo’s Catholic background, but a redefined version that is more aligned with the authentic contemplative traditions of women “nuns.” I was struck by the feminine connotations and its potential to express the rising Divine Feminine principle that is part of the current edge of evolutionary unfolding, for example, the increased use of intuition, emotions, feelings, and subjective knowing. In other words, we are not talking about stereotypical contemporary nuns, but those who were deeply involved with Christianity’s esoteric traditions, and earlier. Also, Rose’s definition of a nun is not limited to female gender, as she considers me a “nun” as well (much to my amusement). So Rose uses “nun” in a much broader symbolic definition to encourage the transformative practices handed down over the millennia by feminine contemplatives.
[8] Paul’s note: Rose referred to the food that each person brings to our Potluck Dinner sessions.
[9] Joanne’s note: I felt laughter rising up in me for seemingly no reason. It felt wonderful, but confusing, as I’ve always associated laughter with thinking of something as funny. I realized when Rose spoke again that she was manipulating my emotions, which I believe was her way of demonstrating how essence really does communicate with us through our emotions.
[10] Joanne’s note: I thought Rose was testing the group to see if anyone would challenge her, and Shireen did ask for clarification in the next session (Session 231, Saturday, March 15, 2008), but I think there may be more to this statement than that. Notice that Rose doesn’t say “beat the hell out of people” but “there’s no reason to believe that you will not need to beat the hell out of people sometimes. And in this, we mean only in the sense that there are individuals who need to be brought to justice.” This is consistent with other missives where she indicates that while killing is a violation, the nature of violation is not absolute, and our unwillingness to believe that sometimes killing is the better action makes us back down immediately from those who do harm, knowing they hold the trump card: to kill us. This belief is detrimental to our well-being because it keeps us from contrarily standing up for ourselves and others, even in small ways. While I’m uncomfortable with the idea of beating someone up – ultimately, we want to stop violence through compassionate acts – it’s not that black and white, and it requires us to fully engage our inner senses to know what to do. Who’s to say there would never be a situation where the only course of action to prevent greater suffering – say, to rescue hostage schoolchildren – is to hold someone down and knock them senseless?
[11] Joanne’s note: I wrote a book entitled One Song: The Universe and Your Place in It in 2003-2004. It is unpublished as of this writing.
[12] Paul’s note: For more information, see Exercises: Intent Names.
[13] Paul’s note: It’s interesting the Rose began the second half of the session riffing on “the way of spirit” and fearlessness, as Shireen was the one to mention that concept in the first half. Coinkidinkily, Shireen had a very affecting lucid dream during the night after this session. She called and left an excited message the next day.
Here’s a summary from Shireen’s Dream Journal, February 16, 2008:
“The evening of session 225, I had an amazing altered state dream. Initially I felt as though I was being sucked through a long tube or straw, with my physical body being altered, molded, forcibly contorted, pushed, and shaped into the long tube as I simultaneously was being pulled through it from the other end. It felt as though I was experiencing a form of death as I was pulled through. I relaxed into the experience and the feeling changed from one of experiencing death to one of moving into a birth. I was spat out from the long tube experience into a beautiful and very colorful and sentient lucid dream, which was incredibly enjoyable and where all was possible.
“I was effortlessly and expertly flying around a massive space that was filled with all sorts of wonderful sounds and colorful inanimate objects. I decided to bring them all to life, and in a moment's time, I orchestrated all of the objects in the room to become animated, to come alive, and to emit and dance to music that I desired – which was celebratory, upbeat, energetic, and fun. As I flew around the space, every wish that I had was immediately manifested by merely putting out the mental request and intention – no words were necessary or used for communication.
“I flew about the space, having more and more fun, doing all kinds of acrobatics flying through the air while looking down and around at the remarkable world that I had created with my intentions, when I finally thought about writing down this powerful and amazing experience. In the instance that I went to grab my dream journal, while still in my dream, I was spat out into a sort of white noise/white space place – it felt like a kind of cocoon almost. It felt peaceful and calm. I tried to get back into the wonderful dream but was not able to. It was a fun and wonderful experience, and I woke up feeling empowered, feeling great!
[14] Paul’s note: Rose alluded to a subject discussed in the Elias forum, namely, will it be possible to manifest a turkey dinner out of thin air by simply wishing it after the shift in consciousness is over around 2075? For more information, see Transcripts: Session 257, January 11, 1998 and Session 379, March 28, 1999.
[15] Paul’s note: A wise man once joked to a student when asked about why The One became The Many, “It was tired of having dinner alone.” Seth talked about the primordial dilemma faced by God or All-That-Is as it sensed The-Many-Within, and faced a birth-death agony of Kosmic proportions in trying to find a way to release ItSelf from the Unmanifest into the Manifest, from No-thing into Some-thing. The following is from The Seth Material, pp. 264-266:
“Now—and this will seem like a contradiction in terms—there is nonbeing. It is a state, not of nothingness, but a state in which probabilities and possibilities are known and anticipated but blocked from expression.
“Dimly, through what you would call history, hardly remembered, there was such a state. It was a state of agony in which the powers of creativity and existence were known, but the ways to produce them were not known.
“This is the lesson that All That Is had to learn, and that could not be taught. This is the agony from which creativity originally was drawn, and its reflection is still seen.”
Seth uses the word “God” sparingly, usually when speaking to students who are used to thinking in theological terms. As a rule, he speaks of “All That Is” or “Primary Energy Gestalts.”
“Some of this discussion is bound to be distorted, because I must explain it to you in terms of time as you understand it. So I will speak, for your benefit, of some indescribably distant past in which these events occurred.
“All That Is retains memory of that state, and it serves as a constant impetus—in your terms—toward renewed creativity. Each self, as a part of An That Is, therefore also retains memory of that state. It is for this reason that each minute consciousness is endowed with the impetus toward survival change, development, and creativity. It is not enough that All That Is, as a primary consciousness gestalt, desires further being, but that each portion of It also carries this determination.
“Yet the agony itself was used as a means, and the agony itself served as an impetus, strong enough so that All That Is initiated within Itself the means to be.
“If—and this is impossible—all portions but the most minute last ‘unit’ of All That Is were destroyed, All That Is would continue, for within the smallest portion is the innate knowledge of the whole. All That Is protects Itself, therefore, and all that It has and is and will create.
“When I speak of All That Is, you must understand my position within It. All That Is knows no other. This does not mean that there may not be more to know. It does not know whether or not other psychic gestalts like It may exist. It is not aware of them if they do exist. It is constantly searching. It knows that something else existed before Its own primary dilemma when It could not express Itself.
“It is conceivable, then, that It has evolved, in your terms, so long ago that It has forgotten Its origin, that It has developed from still another Primary which has—again, in your terms—long since gone Its way. So there are answers that I cannot give you, for they are not known anywhere in the system in which we have our existence. We do know that within this system of our All That Is, creation continues and developments are never still. We can deduce that on still other layers of which we are unaware, the same is true.”
[16] Paul’s note: Rose referred to one of the nine families of conscious intention (Borledim). We align-with one of these main intents during each lifetime. Further, our soul or essence belongs-to one, and it can be the same or a different family. Together, our belonging-to and aligning-with greatly informs our intent, purpose, and meaning making during each lifetime. For more information, see Digests: essence families; an overview.
[17] Paul’s note: Jane Roberts described an altered state in which:
“…the highlight of the experience involved a piece of crumpled newspaper that kept blowing in the wind. I was kinetically a part of its lights, and while it was impossible for me to describe my feelings at the time, later the event became part of a poem. While I was actually watching the paper move, all I could say was, “Wow . . . oh, incredible.” One day a year later, though, while I was writing, the episode came back to me, only I was separated enough from it to describe it. These three verses from Dialogues of the Soul and Mortal Self in Time explain what I mean.
THE PAPER
“But wait— I see a piece of paper outside the window in the street. Oh watch it move surfing in the waves of air, just waiting for the highest surge and jumping in or leaping up the shining hills of space and flying down the valley side.
“It lands by a blue dark shadow that isn’t flat at all but a smooth, cool and secret creature brought to life by the moment’s wind and light. Oh, shadow, brilliant and dark at once, how dear you are in this bright instant of the universe. Now, oh now the paper moves, I swear by its own accord. It wants to feel the breeze beneath it push and thrills to give its own response.
“Oh watch it go, skimming like a floppy butterfly, wings flapping, touching, but not quite touching the walk and lifted up again, dizzy, delirious, its own sounds crackling against its undersides and the air rubbing upon its edges with a muted twang. If that paper moves again, I think I’ll die. I swear I can’t look any longer or I’ll take leave of all my senses.
“I was in a heightened state of consciousness, for that matter, when I wrote the poem, but then inspiration and words were wedded. In the original experience, words were so inadequate that I should have been terribly frustrated. Instead, I felt myself in a world where words had no application. Rob kept trying to get something definite down on tape, for example, so he asked questions now and then.
“His questions made no sense to me, that is, in my state of consciousness they were basically meaningless. I understood them, the words and what they meant, but they just didn’t apply to where I was. All Rob got on tape is four hours of “oh’s,” “ah’s,” wow’s,” and excited breathing.
“For about a week afterward, I’d suddenly see the world in this super-real fashion, and feel a part of everything I saw. I felt regenerated, and wondered if the experience would splash over to other aspects of my life in any way. A few nights later, on March 19, I woke up with the feeling that I’d had a terrific dream, filled with some kind of new creativity, but I couldn’t recall anything else about it. Two nights later the same thing happened. I recorded both instances in my dream notebook and forgot about them.” ~ Adventures in Consciousness, pp. 107-108.