“You Are Rose”
“Love and Fear”
“Sitting on the Bullies”
“Better Governance”
“Find Your Bliss, Change the World”
“You Judge Judgment as Bad”
“A Testy Charlie Meets George”
Session 235 (Group/Castaic, California)
Sunday, April 06, 2008
Participants: Joanne (Tyl), Gail (William), Shireen, Boris, Steve, Paul T, Paul H (Caroll), Jackson, James, Denise (Andies), Gordon (Gilbert), George, Drew (Matthew), Sabrina, Sheri, Eric, Anet, Cat, and Mike.
(Session begins: 4:51 PM.)
JOANNE: I just want to start out by saying that we’re really glad to see you all here tonight, and when I say “we,” I feel as though I’m becoming a we. Maybe I’ve always been a we and never really took advantage of that before (Laughs). A lot of what I’m going through now is really just learning to trust and allow, and Rose tells me that constantly – trust in myself, trust in Rose, and trust in the people I know. I’m part of this community. I don’t exist as a solo individual. So I trust you all to be patient with me. This is still new. I’m learning. This is only about the fourth group session we’ve had. So I’m learning as we go, so I might make mistakes, but there are no mistakes (Chuckling).
PAUL T: Hey Jo…
JOANNE: Yes.
PAUL T: …do you notice a change in the energy with more people or less people?
JOANNE: You know I’m a “softie”[1], so I tend to kind of group everybody as a lump anyway, you know?
PAUL T: Mmhm.
JOANNE: So no, not really. No, it’s wonderful, and this is the biggest group so far, actually. So it’s very exciting, and I am really glad to have you all here.
Okay, so we’re going to get started. (Jo has a drink) Glug, glug, glug! (Laughs with others)
Okay, all right. (Breathing in Rose)
(Rose arrives: 15 seconds)
ROSE: “Team Rose”[2] would like to inform you all that you are Rose. You are Rose in every way – in the way you seek truths, in the way you seek yourselves, and these are not altogether different things. The way of spirit calls on you to seek truth in yourselves, and when you find it, sometimes you’ll find also (Chuckling) that realization of yourselves is what you seek. The truth lies there.
(Laughing, speaking to Steve) Dear one, you need to move out of the way, indeed, we mean that in every respect, my darling.[3] (Group laughter)
Now, we will not only pick on you, dear Steve, (Group laughs) but we are going to pick on all of you, in many ways, because you need the promptings of the Rose individuals to help you get over the plight that you’re finding yourselves in. The plight is in the way of spirit, and you don’t follow it always. You need to, because you are being called to it every single moment of your days. The way of spirit for you calls to you and you alone, and this is why you want to speak to your Rose-selves – to tell you what you want to tell yourselves.
And in this, we suggest the way you can think of Rose is as you and nothing more or less, as you are great, and you are good. And there’s no reason to believe that the world is a very neutral place, (Humorously) because that’s not what Rose is going to tell you. Rose will tell you that you are loved beyond measure, and you want to allow this love that Elias has defined very recently, yesterday in fact (Jo laughs), as truth, and as knowing, and as appreciation.[4] For your love of self, as well as others, in many ways, takes time as well as energy. So you can count on the application of time spent on loving as a means to realize the greatest selves you possibly can. And in this, you can also realize the world in many ways that you don’t yet do.
The world is truly here to support you, and this is not a test. We do test. We allow tests because you need tests, to be contrary to your expectations. You need to realize that Rose is not an infallible source, nor is Elias, nor is Seth, or the Pope, for that matter – for there is no infallible source!
Rose will allow questions about this. We realize you have them, but now we’ll only say that your way of spirit calls to you in ways that are, in many ways, loving ways. You’ll do well to consider that love is, in Elias’ words, a truth. So there is a component to life that exists in ways to realize the love of the Universe to yourselves and to other individuals that you may see on television, that you may meet, or really know well.
So the love you sense is a very real thing, and is a Causal element, too. To say it another way, Love really does Rule, and love really does provide an immense portal to happier lives. So love deeply. Apply that love to everything you do[5], so you’ll discover in yourself the way of spirit that calls to you. So do so. We will assist in every way.
Now, we are aware you may have questions, so we’ll allow those now.
STEVE: About what, anything or just love?
ROSE: (Chuckles) About things – yes, excellent question – about things that really relate to what we’re discussing would be good.
BORIS: If everyone is love, how come there’s so many bad things going on?
ROSE: (Laughing) That’s an excellent question, dear one. The love that you see, in some ways, is a very deeply held one, but it is not really being exercised in ways that are healthy.
We’ll allow a (11 second pause) comportune[6] of an example. The way of spirit calls to individuals to have compassion for each other. Compassion is very excellent because the compassion is the way you have of doling out the love of the Universe to only yourselves. When you have compassion for others, you have the way of spirit. And in this, you love yourselves. If you don’t have compassion for others, you can say for certain that you’re not loving yourselves, and when you see the world in ways that are finding your selfishness only – we don’t say that selfishness is bad – but when you only see selfishness, that is getting in your way of loving yourselves, because selfishness doesn’t allow you to really enjoy life’s gifts.
Selfishness is a means to say, “I don’t have enough. Therefore, I will not share what I have.” And when you’re being unfulfilled, you do this, and you need to sometimes do this, because you need to focus first on self before you can give away, but when you do this to the exclusion of the world’s needs, to say the least, you ground yourself from flight. You have only one set of deeply imbedded gains, and that is to serve yourself, but the world needs you as well.
The world needs you all to be sharing your gifts in it. And in this, you need to realize that you can save the world. In every way you can do that. Now we will have a different definition perhaps of “the world” than you have really provided yourselves. And in this, you’ll find that the world is you. The world is you, but not only the “you” that you’ve come to know so far. The world is you, the suffering is you, the Taliban is you, the contrary Pope is you, and when you see this, as well as, contrary to your expectations, expect them all to be in your embrace. That will be when you are truly yourselves.
You will be truly the best self, as well as the most many splendored self that you can be, for your splendor is required in the world. The splendor of your being is, in many ways, the most beautiful creation ever in our Rose’s experience. You are the most perfect creations you’ve ever imagined. So to say, “We are not that. We are not the world in peril. We are not suffering. We are only the way we’ve always seen ourselves, as the most small individuals that we can expect to see in our experiences.”
In looking to the world, you exchange the love you have been given to share. If you’re not expecting to find that love, then you need to find this in yourselves, and you’ve created ghosts to come tell you this, my dear ones. You’ve created a galaxy of intelligent beings to come to earth to speak to you directly. Now isn’t that marvelous? Indeed, we must say so ourselves. (Group chuckles)
For you are moving into an area of growth – we will use that word “growth” – to say the least, that you’re wanting to grow is why you’re here. And like a plant that has formed its roots in ways that are wanting expression in bigger pots, you’re providing yourselves with the bigger pot in Rose now, and in your way of expressing to yourselves why you’re here, because you have purpose. You have intent. You have talents that are expanding in every way as well. So why not consider that you have the ability to change the world for the better?
And to answer your question: to say that the love isn’t there is only that perhaps you’re wanting more love there, not that there is none, because you’re wanting your question to be resolved is what you need to look at and perceive in ways that you’ll find beautiful. The love is always there. It’s not exactly expressed in words, but in actions.
When individuals fear, they don’t realize the love they’ve been given, and they push over the fear to the many individuals around them. They shadow project and we’ll say more about this in your future. We’ve written some articles about this. But they cast a giant shadow on others as a result of not feeling the love they have inherently in themselves.[7]
That’s why they fight, because they fear too deeply, and they don’t allow the fear to be expelled in healthy ways. The fears can be expelled in ways that include sports, include finding adventures by caving, by hunting, by fishing for example. These are ways that invite fear in healthy ways, like hang gliding. You fear because you like the fear sometimes. It moves you into areas that are fun for you at times. So the fear is a draw, as well, as the fear is only wanting more fear. When you fear, you fear fear most often than any other fear that you have.
So fear, when optioned in ways that are expressing delight, can be found to be fun, but when fear is expressed only in terms of shadow realizations, that is not fun. That is contrary to beliefs. War isn’t fun. War is an abominable situation that is expressed in fear as a way to solve problems, but it doesn’t. We are saying that fear is not the way to move wars into the public’s fear. You do need to take on the terrorists, but war isn’t the way to do that these days. Your war is an old fashioned way to make waves in the world, not a means to resolve a thing. So we hope we’ve answered your question.
Any other questions?
SHIREEN: What do you mean when you say, “Take on the terrorists?” How do you define terrorists, and I asked this before.
ROSE: That’s correct, we were testing you. (Laughter) We do test from time to time. We left this one open at the end of the last session. We thank you for bringing it to our attention again.[8]
Terrorists are what you’d call bullies. Bullies exist in every household, more or less. The bullies you have are sometimes fearful, and they want expression in ways that aren’t appropriate or helpful. Bullies need love, too, but to say that love will be the cure isn’t exactly correct if you define love as compassion that doesn’t allow response-ability. Response-dash-ability is the means of allowing the others in your lives to be able to respond to their lives. So when you hurt someone, you have the need to get feedback about that, indeed, for hurting another isn’t a fun thing, nor is it a good thing, or a healthy thing. Hurting others hurts the person doing the hurting, and the hurting must be stopped.
When you see another individual hurting another, what do you do? You stay away because you’re afraid you will be hurt, too, but sometimes you speak up. And this is how you can begin to do what we call “sitting on the bullies.” When your brother, if you have one, is hurting you, what do you do? You sometimes sit on him. To tell you this is to remind you of how you responded to bullies when you were a child. When you could overtake them, you would sit on them, and this is an excellent metaphor for how you can sit on bullies in every way, how you can also allow yourselves to speak up to your authorities. You told mom and dad about the bullying. Maybe they did something about it. Maybe they didn’t. So when you find that you can’t get the motivation from the authorities that you need to control the bully, you do what? You step on them.
Realize that this is not an easy thing to explain, for you need to share your thoughts on this. Realize that there are tests involved here. So this will be a way to dialogue with you, to discover what you think, but to say that bullies need stepping on sometimes is what you are doing, or trying to do with terrorists, for terrorists are only getting the way of spirit in limited ways. They are, in many ways, fighting for their tribes, but this isn’t always healthy either. They need to be “sat upon” by laws, and by your authorities. [It] takes more than you have to curtail the activities of the bullies who are suffering, because you know they are hurting others, and therefore they hurt, too. So when you allow bullies, you allow them to hurt themselves as well.
So terrorists need love, too, but they also need sitting on and stepping on. So do that. Step on your bullies, for when they get into the world in ways that are terrorizing others, they will wreak havoc. You need to do something, and when you are bullied, that is how you can step on them in ways that help others, because you’ll want to do this in order to free yourselves of your fear of them.
Bullies are only wanting to be stopped. Bullies don’t like what they do. So the way of compassion calls on you to do something, to step on them if needed, but by all means sit on them through your laws, through your dialogues in your communities, in your way of telling off someone who needs it, that they are overstepping their reasonable provision of expression, and stop them, because they will take on many more if you don’t. So terrorists are bullies who have made their way into the world, but they are grown in households just like yours, and never find the reasonable ways to stop them and hold them response-able.
Does that answer your question, dear one?
SHIREEN: Well if someone shows up, say from a long lost land far away, backing up the authorities in one country into the Middle East, and they’re there and your family is essentially in immediate danger and being threatened with weapons for god knows what reasons – who is the terrorist at that point, and what constitutes when someone becomes a terrorist? And is fighting back terrorism to protect yourself, and your loved ones, and your life, and your own spirit of peace? And with all these questions, it just doesn’t seem at all clear to me.
ROSE: You’re correct that it’s a very big topic. The way we consider terrorists is in the way [you], contrary to your words, have expressed. The terrorists are also those who say they are defending themselves from other terrorists. This is the cycle of violence that is expressing itself in the Middle East, and is doing so because of the very things that you say, in some ways, that in providing defense of the homelands, for example, that they are not to be considered terrorists, but they always are.
When you are fighting for land, this is not a bullying way of spirit, but it is a way of getting terrorists to take on your selves. So when you don’t move from a place, you often take on the terrorists, whether or not you want to.
Does that answer your question?
SHIREEN: I was speaking more in defending your own life, your own peace, your own spirit. Not necessarily land, imperialism, or whatever outside motivation. Whatever that would be, whether it’s the indigenous people here in this country or…?
ROSE: That’s exactly the reason we wanted to test you, because you’re correct that the way you can think of the defense of family is the way of standing up to the terrorists. In some ways it is a healthy expression, because otherwise you’ll allow them to run rampant in your cities. And this is the way of being contrary that we will be speaking more about.
Any other questions tonight, dear ones?
PAUL H: Well, we’ve been dealing with very simple topics so far (Group chuckles) – love, compassion, fear, (Jo chuckles) terrorism, bullies….
ROSE: That’s creation! That’s your creation in many ways, and the questions are very good because they have thought, in every way, behind them. They’re very considerate questions.
BORIS: The whole so-called violence, when you take on the bullies you become a bully yourself, so….
PAUL H: So the question is, at what point do you sit on a bully without becoming a bully yourself, according to her definition?
BORIS: That’s part of the question, and another part of the question – you mentioned that you’re supposed to respond with compassion, and at the same time you’re supposed to sit on them, which…
PAUL H: And let me just throw out by the way, oh, whatever happened to turning the other cheek?
ROSE: You’re wanting us to tell on Christ? (Chuckling)
PAUL H: Sure, why not!
GEORGE: Actually, turning the other cheek meant that you’re actually hurting yourself if you’re going to do that. So you’re just as much part of the terrorist as he is part of you. So turning the other cheek is just to tell him “hey, you’re still hurting yourself if you’re going to hit me again.”
ROSE: That’s an excellent point because that is, in some respects, what we’ll say – the way you can think of turning the other cheek is as a means to say “I won’t do that anymore.” But it’s also a means to say “I hurt you only when I need to,” and that is a very grey area.
When Christ said, “Turn the other cheek,” he didn’t mean to say, “Just roll over so the (Pauses) untrue way of spirit will hurt you again.” It’s not okay to be a pacifist unless you’re at the lead of social change. Pacifism works in this way, but not in the way you’d consider to be a bully pulp. (Jo laughs at Rose’s play on words.) The way we’re suggesting “pulp” is what you’re left with when the bullies are done with you. This doesn’t stop bullies. This only makes them continue, so you need to allow the bullies to learn that their actions are not appropriate to say the least. So you sit on them, because you know better than they do that their actions are not right. And when you sit on them, you do so in compassionate ways. Even stepping on them can be compassionate.
When you kill because you’re defending a theater full of individuals, you do so because you have compassion for many. And you’ll do well to consider that when you can get past the idea that killing is sometimes correct, you’ll find a better way to fear less, because the bullies always have this in their back pocket. They always will kill. They always will maim, but when you find out how to stop them in their tracks in ways that are compassionate – like locking them in cells, by making them pay restitution for stealing – they learn. They are compassionate individuals. They are brought to their knees in contrition, and therefore, if they’re lucky and they do this, they can go on to live greater lives.
So you’re doing them a favor when you help stop the terrorists, for they are in desperate, desperate pain. They have only pain to move them. You have the knowledge to stop them in ways that realize their own benefit. So do so.
PAUL H: So how do we stop President Bush from his (Rose chuckles) god-awful war in Iraq? Obviously by this definition he’s a bully. He’s a terrorist.
ROSE: You’re correct!
GEORGE: But what happened with not attracting that to you? Why attract that in your life? Why create that? Why bring a terrorist in your life? Why a bully?
ROSE: You’re correct that the Bush administration is a bunch of bullies who also can’t shoot straight. (Several chuckle) They are the worst kind because they are so “dominator-centered” so as to realize that they are only small. They are insecure as well, and they don’t realize how beautiful their expressions can be. They fear too much. They need your compassion as well. They want to help the world. Their fears only allow them limited expressions in order to do so. So they want to help. They are just blind in their way of doing so.
They will be leaving soon. You can change the set of individuals in your White House. You, in some ways, may based on the current pick of the litter, so to speak. You may also have ways to suggest to yourselves that you’re wanting change, but you don’t really want too much change. That’s why your Barack Obama may not win, because you’re not ready, and we mean you, in particular, not just your Blue states or your Red states. The Red states certainly don’t want too much change, but your Blue states want change, but not too much change, because change is hard, and change is wanting to be a certain way, and this means being different, and your different ways of being are scary. You will have a new administration, but it won’t be a good one if you don’t select them. So do so.
What are you doing to change the administration?
PAUL H: I voted for Barack Obama.
GEORGE: Get rid of Electorates.
ROSE: Mmmm.
GEORGE: Unless it’s a true democracy where the popular vote counts, like everywhere else in the world – the electorate will switch your vote.
ROSE: That is certainly putting much trust in the Proletariat, indeed. (Paul chuckles) So much trust that it may be disastrous. But that is your way of saying you need better freedom, only for you, but not only for you, for freedom is a way of saying to yourself that you need the Proletariat, that is, in some ways, wanting to be in your lives as well.
We will make ourselves clearer. (Jo takes a deep breath.)
JACKSON: Can you talk a little bit about change, and conscious change compared to imminent change, which I think kind of really brings these things back to terrorists and … what is that?
ROSE: That was an excellent question. The…
STEVE: Could you repeat it?
ROSE: …excellent question was that change is often imminent, as well as excellently decided consciously by others like you. In consciousness, all things happen in ways that realize provision of fulfillment. No matter what the action is, there’s always a means to get fulfilled from it. So no matter what happens, whether imminent or conscious, the changes will bring fulfillment to many individuals, but your questions have to do with what the ways of fulfillment are when you are governing yourselves. And in this, governance is your way of saying that you need governance, but you don’t really (Jo chuckles) need governance, because governance is failing you, in many ways. Governance is inherent in each of you, which goes back to your imminent question, for governance is why you’re wanting change: better governance.
You need to allow better governance to you first, and then the governance will be allowed in your bigger sense. You need to govern yourselves first, so the terrorists in your lives take on better ways of spirit. You need to govern your lives so your finding of bliss is in every way dispensed in every one of your actions. You need to govern yourselves so that you have the funds to build your own roads to where you want them to take you. That is why you need governance.
When you find ways to govern, in ways that are bequeathing to yourselves the provision of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, you’ll find that your government will, in many ways, find reflections of you. So “be the change you wish to see in the world” is a very accurate statement, but that’s your way of finding your bliss, so your bliss can ripple out into your state. We suggest that is in great need of finding bliss (Jo laughs).
In spite of your beautiful vacation spots, you need to reign in the “Governator” at times, don’t you? For you’ll do well to take on the bullies in whatever form they appear in. Not to say that Mr. Schwarzenegger is a bully, but when you put the needs of business in front of the needs of individuals, you have troubles, and this is why you need to even take on your “Terminator,” in your terms. (Paul chuckles) So do so, and this will ripple into the governments of your states, of your world, of your Universe, for you are indeed that in every way. So learn to govern yourselves in your way of spirit and we’ll assist.
And so, you want to take a break now and have a little supper? Or would you like for me to continue?
PAUL H: I could do with some food, and I think we could all use a break and some food.
ROSE: Okay.
STEVE: I have a question that would take thirty seconds if you can squeeze it in? (Jo laughs)
PAUL H: You got thirty seconds, go!
ROSE: (Humorously) Can you do it in thirty seconds?
STEVE: Is there going to be another session?
PAUL H: There’s going to be another hour after dinner.
STEVE: Forget it then.
GEORGE: Why don’t you see if you can run this question by Rose?
GROUP: (Voices over each other.)
ROSE: (Laughing deeply) That’s okay. We know what he’s going to say, so we’ve thought about it already. (Group laughter and more banter) That’s okay. We’ll take it up when we return.
STEVE: Alright.
ROSE: Okay. We’ll be waiting with baited breath.
GROUP: (Laughter and conversation)
BREAK: 5:45 PM.
RESUME: 7:21 PM.
ROSE: Now, are you ready for the chapter two?
DREW: Sure…
PAUL H: (Enthusiastically) Yes!
ROSE: (Jo laughs) We’ll get into some really deep doo doo (Group laughs) if you’d like to. We’re a poet, you know. (Group chuckles)
The way of spirit calls to you to have fun. (Loudly stressing) Have FUN! (Group chuckling) (Rose loudly saying) We were told to speak louder, so we will! (More group laughter) And what a better thing to speak most loudly about than your own sense of fun! (Deliberate and strong voice) For your fun is how you rule the world, as long as your fun is in line with the sense of compassion that you need in your days, for yourselves and for the world. And the compassion is misplaced if you sense the need to follow your bliss for the world first, as the way of spirit calls to you to first follow your own bliss.
And in doing so, you will find ways to change the world. You will find ways to change your life. What better way to change your life than to assume that you may change the world in the process? You would be doing yourselves a great disservice if you should only serve yourselves, for you are more, in that you are the world. You are all of creation, so you must know on some level the greatness that you are. So we suggest you find out how you will change the world.
Any takers? (Pause)
Do continue to think about this question, for we will continue to ask it of you. It’s a very important one, and your “weany girl” is allowed (Jo chuckles) to speak about her way of finding the way of spirit to assist in the world. So do so, weany girl.
JOANNE: Okay, this is Joanne speaking. I feel as though my role, in a global sense, is to help people connect with their intentionality. I feel that the way to do this is to give voice to Rose. Actually that’s kind of my main thing, but the reason I started it was really to try to help people connect with their bliss, and Rose was a kind of by-product of that. So my great desire is to help people find ways to be happier people in the world, and have more fun, because I feel like when there are more people having fun, and following their intentionality, then they create jobs that they like, and those jobs create better businesses in the world, and those businesses create better countries, and those countries create a better planet, and so on.
That’s just one direction that that kind of thing can take, but even just having one happier person (Laughing) in the world is a really good thing. So that’s my way of saying, I guess, you know, even though I really don’t know if what I’m doing would ever change the world, I want to at least try to do that, because if I can help one person be happier, I figure that’s an okay thing, too. So that’s how I want to change the world, I want to help people connect with themselves.
ROSE: So any takers besides the weany girl?
SHIREEN: Be a consciousness revolutionary.
ROSE: Ah, that’s a very good one to do. Realize that you are a Tumold/Ilda reformer.[9] In your own way you’re a wonderful healer, as well as teacher. So in aligning with your intent you can revolutionize the world, indeed, in consciousness, in your own consciousness, and in the consciousness of others who will also take on the world, indeed.
Any other takers?
BORIS: I’d like to think that the music that comes through me helps people see that.
ROSE: You’re exactly correct, dear Boris. You have a sense of urgency as well that your music is really required in ways that are astounding. Music is, in many ways, the most accurate representation of Spirit that you have in the world. So you’re wanting to allow yourself to create works of beauty as well as spirit – that would be spiritual music – that will be required in a big way in your world, because your world needs more music that soothes as well as provokes. You have a gift of Sumari/Tumold. You are an artist, as well as a healer, and you’ll do well to continue to surmise that when you channel your music you are channeling essence, as much as Rose does with the weany girl now. Okay?
As you all know, we are going to be allowing you to channel, and channeling as we’ve described it is a means to realize inner knowing in outward ways. You all have the ability to channel. You don’t trust yourselves to know what kind of channeler you are yet, and you don’t yet trust each other to try out your way of spirit on them. We suggest that you be fearless in your ways of finding the bliss you’ve been wanting, and allow yourselves to move into the world in ways that fully allow your expressions to cause suffering to cease. And in this, you will find the greatest joy you can imagine. You will find not only the best, most fun things for you to do, but you will also, contrary to what Elias says, find expectations of bliss for others.
You can allow the changes that need to occur in your world, but you need also to make the changes in yourselves you would like to realize first, as you know. So do so. We will assist because you know already we Roses are you, and you can trust us to help you not only be good people in the world, but also to realize the bliss you desire. That would be in inverse ways, of course. The way you will find your ways of being in the world will be to first find your bliss. So do so.
And we will ask again, how you’d like to change the world?
STEVE: Okay, I’ll give it a go. I’d rather do it myself except that I lack charisma and organizational ability, and no one in the world will listen to me. (Group laughter)
Someone like you, Rose, and friend, do have charisma and drive, and hopefully Joanne doesn’t mind getting shot. (Group laughter) And what you can do, Rose, is you and Joanne could have a campaign, if you could just get onto the Coast to Coast AM radio show with their 20 million listeners, that would be a start. And what I want you to do is to….
GEORGE: Would you listen to it?
STEVE: I listen to it anyway. (Laughter)
GEORGE: But besides listening to it, what else would you do to change the world?
STEVE: Okay, right. Okay, she would….
GEORGE: No, what else would you do to change the world, is the question?
STEVE: I’m doing it right now.
GEORGE: You’re telling her what to do.
STEVE: I’m prepared for Rose to do this.
ROSE: You would provoke others into following their bliss. (Group chuckles)
STEVE: Okay, well here’s the punch line.
ROSE: Okay.
STEVE: And you’re gonna get on there and you’re going to explain to everyone, and that’s your campaign, what the story is that we’re not aware of yet. Because only about a few handfuls of people understand the story yet, about what’s going on, and that we can create through mass creation a solution to many of our problems such as global warming or natural disasters, that we control all that ourselves. Murder is merely assisted suicide. Explain the whole thing and see if we can get the shift to happen a little faster, and get the hell part that we’re creating now, not to occur. By you leading the way in this charge. Do you agree? (Chuckles with Rose)
ROSE: That would be….
PAUL H: So she gets shot but you don’t. (Group laughs, muffled talking and more laughter.)
STEVE: That’s the best part.
ROSE: (Exclaiming) That would be your version of the shift, to have Rose shot? (Group laughs)
STEVE: Well, there’ll be some kook out there that will take exception with you. (Rose and group laughs)
ROSE: That would be a good way to realize corrupting influences, in some respects. There’s no reason to believe you couldn’t go on the air to spread the word about your shift, but you only hold yourself back from this expression because you feel you don’t have charisma, but you do have fearlessness in a way that you would call fearless contrariness. This is a good thing.
To be contrary is beautiful. To be contrary is your essence expressing itself in the most beautiful, as well as basic way. The contrariness that you incorporate is your way of channeling. Did you realize this? That when you realize provocation that you are also channeling, dear one?
STEVE: Well, perhaps so, but I’ve been advised by my advisors to swear off that confrontational…. (Group laughter)
ROSE: That’s correct! We were involved with that…
STEVE: Ah!
ROSE: …definition of contrariness that was brought to your attention yesterday.[10] The contrariness you allow isn’t always the healthiest version (Gail laughs) of contrariness, but this doesn’t mean to throw the baby out with the bath water.
STEVE: Well, Elias said I could express my opinions still (Chuckling in background), but for example, Elias said that. I’ve had other advisors, too. But not to try to convince the other person that your way is correct, and allow for him to express his way. We just both give our own position and we don’t try to argue the other person into the ground, and that’s reasonable and I can do that.
ROSE: That’s right, you said so yourself yesterday, and you got a great teaching from Elias about allowing perceptions to flourish, yours and others as well, for when you allow perceptions to flourish in others you also allow them in yourself, and when you cut them off in others you cut them off in yourself. So when you are able to fully embrace this you will do well to continue the beautiful expressions of contrariness that you provide others, for you do others a great service at times when you do.
STEVE: Do others what?
ROSE: You do others a great service when you do.
STEVE: Okay. You could have fooled me. (Laughter)
ROSE: When you do it in healthy ways.
STEVE: Okay. There you go.
ROSE: Okay. So when you channel, you provide contrariness in helpfulness to others. That’s what you do. You learn to accept the other perspectives in the process. This helps you realize openness with regard to your understanding of yourself. So when you allow others to have their flourishing perspectives, you allow your own flourishing perspectives, and your own flourishing health.
STEVE: Very good.
ROSE: So do so. And you’ll find that your love for others will be what drives you in ways that you’ll find astounding.
STEVE: Great!
ROSE: Any more takers?
DENISE: I have an incident. This past Christmas I was in Georgia and we went to a hamburger place, a Steak’n’Shake, and I walked in and it was a long line, and there was one man at the counter taking orders. He had the weight of the world on his shoulders. His face looked like… he didn’t smile. He was just downcast. I thought “It’s Christmas time!” and he didn’t have the spirit, and I looked at everybody else and they were walking around like they were the walking dead.
They were just, you know, and I felt so bad for them. Finally I got up in line and he was taking my order for something to go, and I just stood there. There was a long line behind me, and I said to him “I am not ordering until I see you smile,” and he said “I don’t have anything to smile about.” And he wouldn’t look at me, he wouldn’t smile, and I just said “Well we’re going to stay here all day until you smile.” And I looked behind me at and long line is getting longer. So he gave me a forced smile (Paul chuckles) like this, and I said, “No.”
PAUL H: Not good enough (Chuckling)
DENISE: I said, “Well, you know we’ll just stay here until you smile,” and I kept doing that. So finally he gave it a good shot, a good effort. So I placed my order and he went to fill it. It was just like a couple of cokes or something. So he went around to do that, and I think the more he thought about it, he came back and gave me the cokes and I wouldn’t pay him until it got a little bit better. (Background chuckles) And meanwhile there’s people lining up behind me. (Chuckling) By the time he gave me my change he had the biggest smile on his face and he says (Humorously) “Thank you sweetheart.”
And he just lightened. He went 180 degrees in the other direction, and I am sure that sort of had a ripple effect, because when I left I was looking to see if he was still smiling and the next person that came up, he greeted them with a smile. And I think it changed the whole place, because you change one person and it has a ripple effect – the customers, the people who worked there, the whole mood just seemed to lighten. And that’s how you change the world, one person at a time. Within yourself, you just do one person and it ripples out like a pond.
ROSE: That will be a good one to remember when you’re fealing that you’ll not find your essence. When you’re fealing – F-E-A-L-I-N-G – the need to really connect the dots in regard to essence and ego, think about that episode and trust that you were being God. In many ways you are the voices of God. When you learn to speak the words and do the actions, you will in many ways be the bright future that you wish to create in the world. Even the smallest gestures allow changes to occur. Keep that going, dear ones. You have the gift.
(To Denise) You are also intentional in your artistry. You have a way of giving to others that is generous of spirit, and you have a means to communicate to the world in ways that the spirit calls to you to do. Continue to express these beautiful things, and you’ll discover the bliss that’s awaiting you further down the road. We think you’ll be an excellent teacher. We know you have a little trouble with that, so don’t worry, we’ll ease you into it (Jo laughs) if we can.
DENISE: Thank you.
ROSE: Mmhm.
GEORGE: Well, we’re talking about changing the world right? So there’s many things I would say I don’t like about the world, but I find it easier to just accept it, and try to change my perception, look at it differently. This leads me to a question, to change the world you have to change each individual, start with one person at a time.
ROSE: That’s correct: you.
GEORGE: Now what would give me the right to judge someone and not respect their creation?
ROSE: That’s a very good question, and you’ll do well to read the book we wrote[11], because this is a very big topic, but for now we’ll say that there is judgment. You judge judgment as bad. Do you see the folly in judging judgment? You do this all the time. The way you can think of judgment is as a means to discern that which you don’t fully understand. [Judgment] does occur too often in the world.
Your Elias is correct in his teaching about judgment, that [it] is a sort of scourge in the world, in regard to religious beliefs, such as heterosexuals fearing their own inner longings, perhaps, in ways that they find unprovable, but they are fearful of gays because they are gay. This is a fear-based judgment that is only a shadow projection of theirs to allow themselves to push at the world the things they find in themselves that they don’t find acceptable. So the judgment is a shadowy projection of fear.
The judgments occur always and they are bad in many respects, but they do want to continue as long as there are fears. You need to separate the judgments that you have that are shadow projections, and the judgments that you have that are discernments you would find helpful in realizing the fear of others that contaminates the world. Do try to continue to (11-second pause) beat the bad guys, because the bad guys will beat you. You will want to put on your armor and take them out sometimes. This is a judgment. You’re correct that these are misplayed sometimes, because the really bad individuals are sometimes the ones in the armor.
This doesn’t mean that you need to throw the baby out with the bath water either, because you are needed to discern between the judgments you have that are shadowy, and the judgments that you need to live your lives. So you need to look at the judgments you have to really tell the difference.
When you are feeling bad, you project on others what you need to pay attention to in yourself. You need to realize that sometimes the judgment isn’t about that. Then take action to insure that the judgments are realized in positive ways. So the terrorists are real. You know some. You speak up when you’re feeling bullied, or you see others feeling bullied. This is judgment! What would you do otherwise? Would you let them take over the trealty?
GEORGE: Now I’m really confused.
ROSE: (Jo chuckles)
GEORGE: Now I’m totally confused.
PAUL H: Trealty? Want to spell that one?
ROSE: T-R-E-A-L-T-Y.[12]
PAUL H: Okay, duly noted.
GEORGE: Maybe I’ll get it later. I don’t know, but right now I’m like….
ROSE: That’s okay.
GEORGE: I felt like I asked about something and I got a different answer, so I got to look for the terrorists in my life though, probably that’s all it is.
ROSE: That’s exactly correct!
GEORGE: There you go.
ROSE: You need to find the terrorists to take over and change the actions that they are undertaking first in your own lives.
GEORGE: I thought so. Thank you.
ROSE: That’s correct. You’re very welcome.
PAUL H: That answer will take awhile to assimilate.
GEORGE: (In a mock-threatening tone) Weaner boy, don’t think! (Group laughter)
PAUL H: That was a really good one. (More laughter) It will take a while, we can talk.
GEORGE: Right now I’m thinking, kind of.
PAUL H: That was the intention of it.
GEORGE: Yeah, I hope I can drive home. (Group laughter throughout) I hope you have a couch that I can sleep on outside.[13]
GAIL: I can change the world by continuing to listen to my own direction to myself.
ROSE: That is true for many, indeed, and you have a gift for getting others to help you do your thing. So you can take that to heart to think about that a bit more. You have a great way of finding helpfulness, because you are so very helpful. So you can trust yourself to enlist others to be helpful as well.
You’ll find that the things you’re good at are exactly the things that are required in the world. The things you love to do. The things you love to take on will be exactly the things the world needs. No matter how subtle they may seem, they are extremely important. Don’t ever underestimate the smallest action. They are sometimes the ones that move the mountains.
The way that you have of, during the sessions, [getting] the energies focused on your weany Roses [allows] others to realize greater depth of expression and understanding. So when you think you’re not doing anything, sometimes you’re doing quite a lot. So continue the loving expressions that you have for the world, for you do see the world as the world, and you do see yourself as the world. These are sometimes different and sometimes the same. Do so.
SABRINA: Rose, I feel that when I’m [inaudible - counseling my kids] that I feel your supportiveness. Is that what I’m feeling when I feel like I’m really in the flow in offering them the most acceptance and general supportiveness? Sometimes it feels too real not to be more like channeling than anything else.
ROSE: That’s correct. You do channel as well, as Gail does. You have a sense of supporting others that is so very uniquely suited for each of you, that you’ll do well to compare notes, because you have a channeling ability that is so very compassionate that you sense in others exactly what they need to know. This is a great gift. This is a gift that Rose does interest herself in, but don’t underestimate that your essence is as great as we are.
But you’re correct that Rose is especially interested in the young ones, and has every reason to be, because the young ones are the way the shift in consciousness is happening that we’re assisting with. So your frontline duties are on your way of suiting up your armor, too.
You’re on the front lines and your wanting expression of your channeling is, in some ways, the way you guide children as well. You are learning to deeply channel their energetic patterns in ways that do suit them. In your terms, you do what Rose does with the weany girl – you help them determine their way of spirit. That is why you’re so good at what you do. You help them directly connect with their essence. And in this, you have the psychological frameworks to achieve this, as you realize that their troubles are often their gifts.
GAIL: Mmhm.
ROSE: So continue to solidly, beautifully beat the terrorists there, too, for they need to speak up too, the students you counsel. They have the best and the worse of education. They have the worst, as they are told they are to rely on the authorities to save them from trouble, but they also have the best because they have the best that modern life has to offer. So when you find the balance between allowing them to trust their inner authorities as much as their outer authorities, you’ll do wonders with them, and you do. So continue to channel Rose in your own way.
SABRINA: (Emotionally, softly) Thank you for the encouragement.
ROSE: (Softly) You’re welcome.
SHERI: And thank you for my proud moment. (Group laughs)
I think mine has something to do with explaining differences.
ROSE: Mmmm. That was a good one, dear one, for you are good at explaining things. You have a gift for explaining differences as well as similarities. You have a Sumafi/Tumold belonging-to and aligned-with. You can say this is a test. You know better about what your families are, but we do wish to encourage you towards your Sumafi/Tumold Aspects.
SHERI: Mmhm.
ROSE: You have a gift for healing others in your conversations, as you like to speak, and we support this.
You’ll have a gift of channeling that is sort of the same as comedians. They are very spontaneous. They are very funny if they’re worth their salt…
SHERI: Oh and I am! (Group laughs)
ROSE: …and you are, indeed, the best comedian today we’ve come across, actually. (Sheri chuckles) The way you can think of your abilities is as the most spontaneous sort. They are the gift of gab. This is a gift. The gifts you provide others – (Humorously) gabster (Sheri chuckles) – are in allowing them to be themselves.
SHERI: Yes.
ROSE: You have the ability to heal that way, as well. When you allow others to be who they are, they are healing themselves. You’re only interesting them in it.
SHERI: Mmhm.
ROSE: So you’re not healing, but you’re facilitating healing.
SHERI: Right.
ROSE: So continue the channeling abilities you have as a greeter, as a facilitator, as a fealing person – F-E-A-L-I-N-G person – who is interested in others.
What better thing to give to another than to be interested in them?
SHERI: I’ve heard that before, yes.
ROSE: There’s no other thing that people love more than to be drawn out and allowed to be who they are. So continue to do so.
SHERI: Thank you.
ROSE: You’re very welcome.
SHERI: Is Gabster my essence name? (Laughter and chatting)
ROSE: Your essence name… (More laughter)
PAUL H: Your essence intent name!
SHERI: I didn’t quite think it would be Gabster. (Laughter continues)
ROSE: (Humorously exclaiming) It would be fitting… at least! (More laughing) The way you will change the world is…?
SHERI: Through gab?! (Chuckling)
ROSE: Exactly, to take on more individuals perhaps.
SHERI: Thank you.
ROSE: (Gently) You’re welcome.
Anyone else? Yes.
ANET: The way I can change the world is by seeing the magnificence in every human being, which I can do when I am clear and on balance myself. I can look at a person, and I can see them as their true self without the overlays of their fears, and doubts, and self discountings. I can see them as they really are, and there is no person I have ever seen who is not magnificent. And when I see them in this way, I reflect that back to them and they can see themselves in a way they’ve never seen themselves before, and that helps them let go of the overlays and develop into their true self.
BORIS: Even Dick Cheney?
ANET: Yes. (Group laughs)
PAUL H: (Humorously) Even Dick Cheney! Even Dick Cheney has some positive aspects.
ROSE: That is an excellent question, dear Boris. (Group laughs)
ANET: There’s a lot to think about on that one, I haven’t gotten that far yet.
ROSE: (Humorously) That’s your challenge dear one – [to find] the way to do even Dick Cheney, and we mean that in many respects. (Group laughing)
GEORGE: I’ll let him know.
ANET: Right.
BORIS: Yeah. (Banter and laughter)
ROSE: (Humorously) Dick Cheney is a good example of someone who is very fearful, and Dick is a very good name for him. (Much laughter)
GAIL: (Laughing and clapping) Way to go Rose!
ROSE: Because he is very unhealthily contrary, we might say. (Laughter)
GEORGE: So much judgment!
GAIL: Really, a judgment?
ROSE: That’s correct (Gail laughs) it is a judgment.
GEORGE: That’s very non-Buddhist of you.
ROSE: [To] call someone a terrorist by calling them a dick is a very easy judgment to make. And to call names isn’t always a bad thing when they are true. So don’t worry, the name calling will end tonight, we promise. (Group chuckles)
But the point is that the terrorists are sometimes the ones in power, and you’ll do well to call a spade a spade for starters, but to call Dick a terrorist sounds bad, it is. But he’s also a good person because he is wanting to realize protection of the individuals in the United States, for he fears that they will not succeed in the global war games. He realizes his mistakes, and he fears that, too.
When you fear, you often do what?
GAIL: You don’t succeed.
ROSE: That’s correct, and you often draw the same results that you feared would happen. That’s exactly what Dick has accomplished. So when you fear the things, you draw them to you, and he’s in pain about this.
So, onto your channeling abilities, dear one. The channeling you fear is what you’ll draw to you. The channeling is what you fear. The fear is for the way in which you’ll want to possibly take on more than what you’re doing now. The fear is in getting out of your way, for you are accomplishing a great deal now in your way of spirit, but you can shift a bit your focus and allow more information. You have a soft spot for all individuals. This is a beautiful thing. The way you can allow more is to feal their fear, but not fear their fear. So do so.
ANET: Thank you.
ROSE: You’re very welcome. Any other takers?
GEORGE: I want the world to be Sesame Street. (Group laughs)
ROSE: Be careful what you wish for, dear one.
GEORGE: Big Bird and everybody else, and Cookie Monster will be my friend.
GAIL: I don’t think I want to live in your world.
GEORGE: You’re not invited. (Group laughing)
GAIL: Okay.
GEORGE: Who invited you?
GAIL: Good.
DENISE: Can I just make a comment about the world, because we’re so focused on how bad the world is. As I was talking to Gordon earlier, we get our information about the world mainly through the news – network news and the newspapers – but when you think about it, TV news and newspapers are there to sell papers and for the affect. They want the ratings.
PAUL H: Yes.
DENISE: They’re not reporting on the majority of what happens in the world. Actually, it’s a 180 degrees the other way. The majority of people in the world are not robbers. They’re not murderers. They’re not rapists. They’re not terrorists. They’re not any of these things. The majority of people in the world are just like you and me. They’re mundane. They go to work every day. They’re good people. You’re not going to hear that on the news because that doesn’t make headlines.
So what you’re going to hear on the news is the minority of the people who are doing those things. So you can’t say the world is in a horrible state when what you’re hearing about the world is the minority. So I think just bearing that in mind will help you to have a different perspective on the world, because if you focus on the negative, and you believe to be the truth what you hear on the news, then you’re going to think the majority of the world is in this horrible shape, and you’re going to focus on that and worry about it.
That’s the fear you’re going to project, and that’s what you’re going to bring back to you, is more fear. So if we change it around and stop listening to the news and realize – as she says, is look past the overlays, look past the hype, past all the ratings and all the things they do in order to sell papers, to sell TV spots – and get to what’s really going on. And the same things with disasters – most planes do not crash. That’s not going to make news. That’s not headlines. So if you’re afraid to fly because you might be in a crash, the minority of planes crash, but that makes news. So I just want to say as we start thinking about the world, start realizing that what you hear on the news is not necessarily the way the world is. It’s their filtering of the way the world is through the media for their own interest.
GEORGE: Also, believe it or not, the media is controlled somewhere.
DENISE: Yes, of course it is.
GEORGE: So you see only what they want you to see…
DENISE: Exactly, and just don’t believe them. It helps to get another perspective.
GEORGE: …for the five thousand Americans that died there, it’s like one hundred thousand Iraqis getting killed, but you don’t hear that.
PAUL H: Try two million.
GEORGE: You don’t see kids with their guts spilled on Iraqi streets on our news, but if you put on a Spanish channel you’ll see that. Everybody around the world sees that, but we don’t. And we wonder, why do you think we’re bastards?
DENISE: Yeah.
GEORGE: You know what I mean? It’s a perception everyone has about what’s going on. So we’re not really getting everything.
DENISE: Right.
ROSE: You’re correct, that the way you get your news is filtered, in many ways, as well as finding of fearfulness. That does sell Wheaties (Jo laughs) as well. The cycle of selling, in many ways, is also involved, for your media stations give viewers who buy products. The commercial world is very much at play here as well.
Your wanting to turn off your television sets is sometimes a good idea, but the way to do this is to allow yourselves to realize that the world is, in many ways, suffering. And it does need assistance, and it does need your assistance. And to realize this is why you’ll want to turn on the television, to take it in, in ways that you may not be doing, for your compassion is what’s at stake here, and the compassion you have is important, too.
So turn on your televisions when you feal you need a dose of self-improvement, and you’ll see that the world, indeed, also needs it too. And there is your connection between yourself and your world. In every way you are the world. We won’t sing “We are the world,” (Paul laughs) but we are the world. (Gail laughs) So turn on the tube when you feel that you need to expand a bit, and you shall.
STEVE: Madame Rose, will you allow me a stupid quick follow up question?
ROSE: Sure!
STEVE: If hypothetically we could assemble over half the world to understand that we create our own reality, would we then, without shifting more, right now, with our understanding we create our reality and no real depth of, no veil reduction or anything else, to band together and have everybody, every day just dwell on, let’s say one issue – global warming – with the intent of reversing the probabilities of that occurring. Could we consciously like that, alter the probabilities so that it wouldn’t occur?
ROSE: You could, but you’ll do better if you serve the world first in ways that explore compassion rather than telling them about your shift. They won’t really get that, because they won’t really need to.
JOANNE: Can you hear me? (Background noise as Steve moves his chair closer to hear. Steve nods.)
ROSE: They won’t get the telling about the shift, because they don’t need to get that. They would be better served by your compassion than in your telling them things they can’t understand. So your best approach would be to share the gifts of yourself to others in ways that are outreaching to them in compassion. And in this, you’ll find that the small ways you have of doing this will, again, realize great things.
Your compassion is the most powerful tool you could have, and in this you’re learning to be pleasantly contrary and helpfully contrary in ways that you’ll find very satisfying. We promise you. So continue to be the provocateur that you are, but do so in ways that insist on compassion, rather than on telling or provoking others to do what you can do instead.
STEVE: Very well, thank you.
ROSE: You’re welcome.
BORIS: May I? On several occasions you’ve mentioned shift, can you clarify what the shift is all about?
ROSE: The shift is a shift in consciousness that Rose is very interested in. The shift has been occurring in your world for some time now – about fifty years, and the shift will continue through 2075 or so. We will give the same prognostication as Seth.[14] And the shift is very interesting to Rose, because we are a Sumafi essence that is a Sumafi exchange that is also encouraging of the opening of individuals to inner information. So Rose is assisting in the shift in consciousness in ways that you’ll find satisfactory, because in her really big way (Jo laughs) she is sometimes getting through in ways that are teaching, and also essentially connecting in ways that open individuals that are closed in ways that you’ll find funny.
The shift is opening individuals to inner information. They are beginning to, traumatically in some ways, move into areas they’re not comfortable with. So they’re having dreams they don’t understand. They’re having impressions they can’t really translate. They’re having impulses they don’t want to control, but are, in many ways, in conflict about because of that.
They are also experiencing trauma in regard to what they want. And in this, the intentionality teachings that Rose is giving [are] deeply important, as the teachings are, in many ways, the reason that you’re alive. You need to connect with your sense of deep appreciation for your lives, as well as the realization of the purpose of your lives. This is what we call intentionality. And you’re all different. And you’re all exploring this tonight, and will be, for you’ll want to continue because this will bring you bliss. You have every reason to lead fulfilled and happy lives.
Go ahead.
BORIS: Given the temporary nature of the shift, what is the cause, and where is it supposed to end up doing? What’s the point of the shift?
ROSE: The point is to allow yourselves to explore the shift in ways that you’ll find beneficial. That’s the only reason for it. The shift is for your creative expression.
That’s quite a bit to take on, isn’t it? That’s why you’ll do well to continue to think about how you’d like to assist in the shift in consciousness.
BORIS: Is this a shift that affects the entire populace or…?
ROSE: The entire population of the planet, and this ripples throughout the Kosmos. We are nonphysical and we’re interested. So you can think of this as a grand experiment, in many ways, or as a realization of a certain thing that you’ve chosen to experience in this focus of attention – in your terms, this lifetime – for your own enjoyment and challenges, as you are spirit. So what better way to realize yourself as spirit than to take on this very heady challenge of sorting through this miraculous change that the world is undergoing now?
BORIS: But aside from the empirical experiencing the shift, is there any significance for our human race, so to speak, by the end 2075? At the end of the shift will something come about that we are not having now?
ROSE: You’re wanting to express to yourself what that is, but really, you can take the same question to your understanding. So, in other words, you can try to ask yourself that question, “What do you want the shift to be?” For you are creating it, we’re not.
You as essence are, in every way, creating your reality. So when you can answer that question, we’ll assuredly, certainly allow the Rose-selves to tell you if this is the way you’ll continue to express the intentionality that you’re discovering to create the shift that you need.
This is a very unclear answer, we know, but we want to stress the important understanding that you need to have – that you are creating this shift yourselves, for your own experience. Okay?
GEORGE: May I? We agree that we usually tend to get what we focus on – we attract that right?
ROSE: Yes.
GEORGE: Okay. This is where my problem lies. I realize if I walk down the street and I see somebody – I’m willing to show compassion on the spot. But for me to go now and start worrying about the rest of the world, I feel like I’m going to start attracting some of that misery in my life, and I feel like my energy is going to start contributing to those people’s miseries whatever they might be.
ROSE: That’s why you use discernment – to help you decide what is a good cause or not. “Cause,” we suggest, would be the individual’s allowance for happiness, or health, or whatever. The discernment is needed to determine if that individual will change, but we suggest that most individuals do wish to change but don’t know how. The way you can discern is to try, and if you fail, you’ll sometimes know if the reasons will be because they don’t want to change, or because your methods didn’t work. But in every case, you’ll find that trying is at least the thing you need to do to feel better.
You do need to try, as individuals need to know they are cared about, and this is very important. When you find ways to realize care, and others don’t really get that, they do on a level that may not be really clear to you. And they don’t necessarily want to realize change, but they do have reasons to believe that they need to when you suggest a healthier alternative, for example, to what they’re doing.
GEORGE: To mirror something back to them.
ROSE: That’s correct in some respects, but when you mirror, you need to be careful that you’re not imposing on them. You need to look into them, and find what they need, not what you might think they need. So this is an excellent example of how you can truly reach into an individual with compassion, and see what they see, in their eyes. You have this ability. We think you have more ability than you’re realizing – even tonight.
GEORGE: Flattery.
ROSE: We got a little bit of your channeling ability earlier in the kitchen.[15] So you’ll do well to continue this line of exploration.
GEORGE: You know Jim-Bob was right, that when you state a fact it is not a judgment.
ROSE: That’s correct. The facts sometimes get blurred by judgment though, and so much that facts tend to become judgments because of that.
GEORGE: That’s why everyone has to be careful.
ROSE: That’s correct, there are…
GEORGE: To be aware.
ROSE: …very few facts. There are really mostly perceptions. We say mostly because there are facts that can be validated and verified. On the most part, these can be considered consensual facts that are truly in all perceptions…
GEORGE: Agreed upon.
ROSE: …in the global sense, not in the Universal or Absolute sense.
That’s all the takers?
GEORGE: I think you’ve talked enough, (Group laughing) but everybody is going to be like what is going on?
ROSE: The takers we mean, the ones who wish to provide their ideas about how they’ll change the world.
PAUL H: Last call!
ROSE: Yes!
MIKE: I’m a little bit more worldly I guess. I’m going to change the world by continuing my business in Latin America.
JACKSON: There you go.
ROSE: That’s exactly right, and we are aware through your conversation yesterday with Joanne about the business you have, so we’re not suggesting we’re totally clairvoyant here. We’re being scientific, but you’re right that the global way that you’re continuing the exploration of feeding the world is, in every way, exactly the [thing] we’re talking about tonight.
You’ll find that the way that you have of finding the right individuals is a gift as well. You have a strong sense of individuals, in spite of some things that you’ve discovered recently, but you’ll do well to continue to trust Cat to also help with discerning the intents of individuals that you’ll discover on your way of spirit. She’s got a gift also for channeling that she needs to develop. We will assist if she’d like to join us, indeed.[16] So tell her we’ll be looking for her in the future. And do continue the excellent work you’re doing in the world. We need more like you.
MIKE: Thank you.
ROSE: Indeed.
GEORGE: So weany girl was a plant? (Group chuckling)
ROSE: (Rose laughingly exclaims) A spy! (Group chatter)
GEORGE: This was a setup!
ROSE: Yes!
GEORGE: Everything comes to light right now.
ROSE: (Humorously) Yes, indeed.
Any more takers?
GEORGE: A personal thing?
ROSE: Yes?
GEORGE: May I, if nobody needs to…?
DENISE: No!
SHERI: (Humorously) Let’s take a vote…
GEORGE: You take a vote, I’ll ask my question. (Group chuckling)
ROSE: Let’s see if there are any more takers on how we’re going to change the world.
PAUL H: Last call.
ROSE: Not to put anyone on the spot, okay? Alright?
DENISE: I just have a final comment. That all change really occurs from the inside out. So you can’t really change the world externally until you change internally, and then it will automatically – as a by-product of the change internally is external change.
ROSE: That’s why the way of spirit is so very important, because you’ll find that your past also, indeed holds clues to how you can first help yourself, then others. So we’ll be saying more about that in the future.
GEORGE: Sorry.
ROSE: Quite alright.
GEORGE: I hope I’m wrong, but I have a feeling that my teacher Charlie[17] – did he disconnect?
ROSE: The teacher you say is Charlie is allowing himself to come through. Would you like to speak to him directly?[18]
GEORGE: Sure.
ROSE: (Sontering, takes a deep breath)
JOANNE: (Laughing) I’m sorry!
PAUL H: It’s Joanne laughing.
JOANNE: It’s Joanne laughing, okay, here goes.
PAUL H: This is an example of Joanne getting in the way of the transmission, as Rose would chide her.[19]
JOANNE: (Chuckling much) I’m sorry.
SHERI: She must have [inaudible].
PAUL H: She’s been doing a great job all night, I must say. (Jo laughing)
JOANNE: Thank you.
GEORGE: I hope she’s not as [inaudible] Charlie. (Laughing with Paul)
JOANNE: Thank you, alright, let me just get… (Group laughter and chatter) I mean I don’t know what kind of a guy, and that’s why I’m laughing. It’s like I have no idea what’s gonna come out.
GEORGE: He’s a…
JOANNE: (Exclaiming) Don’t, don’t, don’t tell me, don’t tell me!
PAUL H: No, no, no!
GAIL: No, don’t say anything.
JOANNE: Don’t tell me, hang on no.
PAUL H: No, no, no, no!
GEORGE: [inaudible] (Group chatter and laughing)
JOANNE: Don’t tell me anything!
GAIL: You’ll see.
JOANNE: (Humorously) I’m sorry. I’m just having a laugh here.[20]
ROSE/CHARLIE: (Sontering breath) Charlie here! We are here to tell you we are disconnected from you in spirit because you are only wanting to speak with physical individuals. When you want to speak in your head in ways that are compassionate, in some respects, we’ll come through with flying colors.
ROSE: Now we are wanting to talk to you. We Roses are engaging Charlie now, and we are wanting him to talk to you, but you can talk to him yourself. You know this. So while we can do parlor tricks – we offered that – we do want to state that you have mediumistic channeling abilities of your own. You can imagine yourself doing this tonight if you’d like.
You have the ability to channel. Charlie is here also. He wants to come through you instead of me. You can engage the mediumistic qualities that we are providing you now, but we will continue a bit with Charlie.
ROSE/CHARLIE: (Takes a deep breath, pauses.) Are you there George?
GEORGE: Yeah.
ROSE/CHARLIE: (Slowly) You do want to talk to me after so much time…
GEORGE: (Subdued) Yep.
ROSE/CHARLIE: …has gone by? Why do you want to talk to us now?
GEORGE: Well, Charlie I miss you. That’s all.
ROSE/CHARLIE: You miss me? (Humorously) why you’ll do better without old Charlie to…
GEORGE: The old Charlie…
DENISE: Shhh, hold on.
ROSE/CHARLIE: (Voice rising) …bother you and to tell you to lighten up, for you do need to, you know. (Gail chuckles) So why don’t you just talk to me in your mind more? Why don’t you listen to me when you’re feeling blue? Why not try to do that on your own? Do you think we’ll not talk back? We will, and we will tell you that we want to tell you more about the things you’re doing with Carol. So tell her that we are allowed in to talk to you now, and we’d like to talk to her also.
Carol is your friend who is the night manager at the local (Jo laughs) Yellow Taxi Company who wants to speak with you in a big way, and who knows me also. Tell her we were asking about her. We’ll tell you more when you talk to us yourself. (Chuckling) Tell her we talked to you tonight, and we’ll tell you more when you talk to us yourself. Okay?
GEORGE: (Affectionate humor) Charlie, you’re a fuck up.
JOANNE: Hmm? I’m a fuck up? (George and Jo chuckle) I’m just telling, I’m just saying what they’re telling me! (Exclaiming) I don’t know if I’m doing this right! I told you all in the beginning this is me trying things!
GAIL: That was affectionate by the way.
JOANNE: Oh, I’m a fuck up, oh okay.
GAIL: That was affectionate!
JOANNE: Were you talking to Charlie or me?
GEORGE: Yeah.
JOANNE: Well, I must be doing it right then.
GAIL: Yeah. (Chuckling)
JOANNE: Okay, hang on, wait…
ROSE/CHARLIE: Tell him that he’s a fuck up too. (Group laughter)
JOANNE: You’re a fuck up too!
GAIL: There you go. (Jo laughs)
GEORGE: You know it’s funny, some of the last classes he taught us were at the Rose Theatre. (Group laughs). That is funny, that is actually.
ROSE/CHARLIE: Tell him that he’s not only a fuck up, but a terrible actor. (Much group laughter) And he’ll do terribly on his audition tomorrow, if the past is any indication of the future. (George laughs along with all – clapping)
GEORGE: I know him better than that.
ROSE: Tell him that we are only joking. We want to assure you that Rose is the medium to Charlie, and we are involved in the translation. So you’re not getting Charlie per se, but a sort of imprint of him on Rose. So don’t go telling the weany girl she did a bad job (Group laughs) because (Jo laughs) she’s just trying things tonight. So…
JOANNE: Let me see what else I get.
ROSE/CHARLIE: …tell him he’s wanting to talk to us to allow him better skills, and we’ll be there to assist. You’ll have an inner coach.
GEORGE: And this name was Carlisle? Laura?
ROSE: Carol.
GEORGE: Carol, okay.
STEVE: Rose are you tapping into an energy deposit like the mediums do that are on earth now? Or are you tapping into the essence of Charlie up in the sky? (Group laughs)
SEVERAL: In the sky! (More laughter)
ROSE: I’m tapping into… (Group laughter)
PAUL H: Figuratively speaking. (More banter)
ROSE: I’m tapping into an energy deposit…
STEVE: On earth.
ROSE: …that Charlie has allowed to be imprinted when he passed.
STEVE: So you’re not current with his present situation where it is now? You’re looking at the past?
ROSE: I can do that, and say that Charlie is in…
GEORGE: Transition.
ROSE: …transition, but the way transition works isn’t really clear to everyone involved, because transition is not easily translated to your words. So while we are aware of his whereabouts, so to speak, the transitional state is very different than yours, and the way Charlie would speak would be untranslatable.
STEVE: Then this energy deposit that you’re tapping into may not be a gospel of accuracy, eh? Could it be distorted from being an energy deposit that’s milling around?
ROSE: You won’t make us say that there are no undistorted sources, correct? You know this, but the translation you’ve provided is fairly accurate. But realize that there is no one Charlie either, because Charlie is a very supported Aspect in that he is multidimensional, as you are. You are in many probabilities as well as many future focuses, and past focuses that you incorporate into your focus now. There’s no one Steve. There’s no one Mike. No one weany girl.
(Exclaiming) God forbid there should be one more Dick, (Group laughter) but there is! There are many! So when you talk about an individual as a singularity, that’s where you mess up. That’s not accurate. So don’t worry about getting the truest Charlie, because that isn’t anything real.
STEVE: But if there is no Carol, if it turns out there is no Carol that he knows, it could be that you are getting maybe information from earth that still had the beliefs attached to it? Or I don’t know what the situation is with energy deposits, but…?
ROSE: You’re correct…
GEORGE: Okay.
ROSE: …that there will be some bleedthrough from Charlie in his state now, but the deposit is what we are mostly connecting with.
And there will be tests from Rose also, because we do test. There may not be a Carol at all. This is why you need to be discerning. So do so, and we’ll suggest that George try to find her anyway.
GEORGE: Is she good looking? (Group laughs)
ROSE: She is! (More laughing)
GEORGE: Alright.
ROSE: Indeed, the Yellow Taxi Company on Broad Street.
GEORGE: Santa Monica, on Broad Street?
ROSE: Santa Monica.
GEORGE: I gotta write it down! (Much laughter)
JOANNE: Ah, you’ll get the transcript.
JACKSON: Ask Charlie for her number. (More laughing)
PAUL H: (Laughing) You brought it up. You started this, the Charlie thing, so you’re getting it in spades!
GEORGE: I don’t mind. It’s cool. It’s fine.
ROSE: Any other questions, for Charlie or for Rose?
GEORGE: Like I knew he went, and last time I talked to Elias about it last spring he said he was in – there was a possibility, because I had just seen him on his birthday, he met my daughter, and somehow I felt a tremendous love for this man. Although we’re not close, per se, I see him sporadically. Am I talking to Rose?
ROSE: Yes.
GEORGE: Then you know what I’m talking about.
ROSE: You’re always talking to Rose.
GEORGE: I can fill everybody in later. So my affection for him then was always there, even when I wouldn’t see him for years at a time.
ROSE: And there’s no reason to believe your affection needs to diminish…
GEORGE: It’s not. It is not.
ROSE: …one iota now that he’s gone from this physical plane. So continue to develop your sense of compassion for yourself by allowing this beautiful teacher to incorporate himself into your everyday world. He wants to. So allow that.
GEORGE: Well apparently we had a lot of focuses together with some sort of [inaudible].
ROSE: We’ll say more about those other focuses in the future. You have many fun things to discover between yourselves, and we’ll assist.
So let’s try to wrap things up for tonight, and solve the world’s problems tomorrow. Okay dear ones?
JACKSON: And go see Carlisle.
ROSE: And go see Carol. (Group laughter and chatter)
Okay dear ones, we’ll end this evening. Thank you for your patience and your compassion for the weany girl as she goes through her changes. So continue to be the beautiful (Chuckling) girls and boys that you are, and we’ll assist always, beautiful ones. Carry on. We love you, Rose.
GROUP: Thank you Rose.
ROSE: You’re welcome.
PAUL H: Thank you Joanne.
GROUP: And thank you Joanne. (Clapping and smiles)
JOANNE: Thank you!
DENISE: Thank you Charlie!
(Rose departs: 8:53 PM.)
(Transcribed by Nardine Neilson, June 26, 2008.)
Endnotes
[1] Joanne’s note: I referred to my orientation as verified by Elias almost ten years ago. For more info, see Orientations.
[2] Paul’s note: Team Rose includes all of Rose’s many, many, many Aspects including Joanne and myself.
[3] Paul’s note: Steve had inadvertently moved in front of the camera we use to videotape the group session in order to hear better.
[4] Paul’s note: Rose referred to the Elias group session we hosted the previous day in our community clubhouse (Session 2482, April 05, 2008).
[5] Paul’s note: Rose referred to a topic that Elias addressed the day before prompted by Drew’s question, “Could ‘God is love’ be a distortion?” To which Elias offered a lengthy answer.
[6] Joanne’s note: A combination of compassion and importune (the dictionary definition of which is “to press or urge with troublesome persistence”). For more info, see The Rose Glossary.
[7] Paul’s note: See The Contrary Self, Part 3: The Contrary Self and the Shadow Self.
[8] Paul’s note: Shireen brought this up at the end of the previous group Session 231, March 15, 2008, in which she referred to Rose’s comments about “stopping the terrorists” in Session 225, February 16, 2008. So it took the group some time to understand this was one of Rose’s tests! That is, Rose was baiting them with these provocative statements.
I also have to give props to JoRose for having the guts to do this in front of the largest group she had yet addressed, most of whom attended the Elias group session the day before and were not quite sure what to make of Rose’s provocative ideas.
[9] Paul’s note: Rose typically present essence intent belonging-to first, followed by focus intent aligning-with that work in concert in terms of our overall purpose and fulfillment in life. For more info, see Intentionality and Families of Consciousness.
[10] Joanne’s note: During a chat with Steve the previous day, I offered a definition of Rose’s contrary self that Rose was apparently “helping” with.
[11] Joanne’s note: Rose is talking about The Way of Spirit book she has dictated and awaits publication.
[12] Rose’s note: Trealty is the combination of the words true and realty, for you have a sense that in life there is a set of presumptions that are true, and in reasonable terms, this is correct. But in other terms, you have a sense that it is negotiable in ways that presuppose who is setting the potentials in regard to true expression. So you have a sense of trealty when you realize how you sometimes need to take back, in some ways, the provision of realty in space you have unfairly provided to others who do not have a sense of truth or justice. Taking back your space of truth, therefore, is how you realize trealty.
[13] Paul’s note: I have to give props to George for having the courage to be one of the first people in our group sessions to really get tested by Rose. As you will see, this is just the beginning! I mention this because Joanne and I have both been dealing with a testy Rose for over a year now and are just beginning to get used to the challenging process, so we have empathize and help explain things afterwards based on our own experiences with this “trickster nun.”
[14] Paul’s note: Seth talked about a religious reformation involving the return of Christ that would culminate by 2075 in Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul, Chapter 21 (1972). “The shift” comes from Elias who has talked about a “shift in consciousness” since the sessions began in 1995. Elias’ shift involves a variation of the return of Christ, but with a more elaborate scheme based on the nine families and nine male children representing (belonging-to and aligning-with) the families’ intents on a global scale. The shift is to culminate around the same time. For more info, see Digests: shift in consciousness.
Also, Elias claimed that the shift began roughly around the turn of the 20th century, some 108 years ago, so this was likely another test by Rose that no one addressed during this session. Finally, Seth never gave a time frame of the beginnings of his reformation, only an ending date. To my knowledge, Kris has never addressed to this messiah mythos publicly. As always, I take both prognostications with a healthy grain of salt, as many futurists, philosophers, and thinkers have written about major changes in human recently. For example, physicist Peter Russell called it an approaching singularity or white hole in time, social philosopher and psychologist Ken Wilber called it the centaur stage of development that features “vision-logic,” sociologist Jean Gebser called it the integral-aperspectival structure-stage of collective evolution, John White predicted the emergence of a new species of human called homo noeticus, Elias’ term “shift in consciousness” is now used by The Institute for Noetic Sciences, author Arjuna Ardagh called it The Translucent Revolution, futurist Ray Kurzweil envisioned an Age of Spiritual Machines, and Eckhart Tolle called it The New Earth, and on and on we go!
[15] Joanne’s note: During the break, while George and I were conversing, he said he saw a figure standing next to me that he interpreted as being Rose.
[16][ Joanne’s note: Cat had gone to sit the next room because she had difficulty being in physical proximity to the Rose energy.
[17] Joanne’s note: George was talking about actor/teacher/director and Al Pacino friend Charles Laughton.
[18] Paul’s note: I explained to the new folks in the group that Joanne had exhibited some instances of mediumship or speaking for a deceased person. In these instances, Rose seems to act as a “traffic cop” or mediating energy so that Joanne doesn’t get overwhelmed at this early stage of the game. Also, Joanne doesn’t take on the personality characteristics of the deceased, she simply translates what she gets from within the energy exchange led by Rose.
[19] Paul’s note: Rose has pointed out several times during our private sessions when Joanne’s emotions get in the way of Joanne clearly engaging the exchange. So this is an ongoing process as Joanne learns to detach from the information as it comes through.
[20] Joanne’s note: This was so fun, scary, and exhilarating! I had no idea where Rose was going with it, and came out with “Charlie here!” so quickly and casually, before I repeated it to the group, and it was hilarious.