“To Learn, to Grow, to Thrive, to Flower”
“Embrace Your Emotions”
“Tests Allow You to Discern”
“Intentionality”
“The Contrary Self”
“Resting-in-Rose”
“Find Your Way of Channeling”
Session 239 (Group/Castaic, California)
Saturday, April 26, 2008
Participants: Joanne (Tyl), Paul (Caroll), Debi (Oona), Sarah, Drew (Matthew), Gail (William), Steve, George, Cat, Mike, and Rumi the cat.
(Rose arrives: 4:33 PM.)
ROSE: (Pace is slow) You may begin with questions, though your questions so perplex us that we don’t know what to do at times, for the questions want to be asked, need to be asked, so ask them. We will realize the best responses that we can. When you find you want to allow discernment that will be a very good thing, for we will “Team Rose[1] test” the individuals in the group. For you have, in some ways, realized a sort of complacency in regard to your “dead guys”[2] that isn’t exactly always the best way to teach yourselves. We do mean “teach yourselves,” because you are creating Rose for yourselves to learn, to grow. We will say more about growth, but for now realize that growth is what the way of spirit requires, as well as to learn.
Your Elias doesn’t youse – Y-O-U-S-E[3] – (Joanne laughs) his words because Elias is a teacher that will impart in some ways most accurate information, but in doing so, at times, will realize a sort of relativity that is sometimes very great, as well as weaning you of your connection with certain expectations. To say most times he will err on the side of relativity isn’t a criticism. He needs to, to serve you as teacher, but Rose will err on the side of realizing growth, as well as realizing the power that you have in you, for to relatively speak in every way, in some ways, does you a disservice.
You are human. You grow in ways that will require you to recognize this so as to grow in your best ways. If you stunt your growth by thinking that you don’t grow, or learn, you will not allow yourselves to be the straight saplings[4] that Elias will have you to learn to be. So trust that Rose wants you to learn, to grow, to thrive, to flower in every way, as well as to be happy. This is a word that Elias also issues to make you think in ways you didn’t before.
Trust that we support every teaching that Elias has, as well as your Seth. To take your excellent teachings to heart, we suggest you consider they have helped you grow enormously, and they have. We will say more about this when you’d like to talk about this, but will open the floor for your questions, for you do have many. So we will assist you in answering them for yourselves, indeed.
STEVE: Rose, Steve here. I asked the people on the Yahoo Elias list if they had any questions for you today, and there were two people that had a question. One is Mark O (Final Frontier). As you know, a month ago Elias said we are now entering the emotional wave and Mark wants to know what your take is on that wave.[5]
ROSE: (Pace still slow) That’s a weaning question. In simple terms, the question is figured out already by Elias, so Rose doesn’t really need to elaborate, but we’ll say that Rose is very wanting to impart additional information that will assist in your emotional realization of yourselves.
You are excellently expanding, to say the least. The emotions are allowing this to occur – don’t fear them. To say more, we’ll cite Elias’ terms. You need to realize we are paraphrasing, but to say what he said in our words: that you are experiencing trauma. In your words, you are wanting to realize trauma-free, but you won’t. The trauma is necessary, but not exactly necessarily bad, or painful. It depends on how you feal about your emotions. If you feal that your emotions are bad, you will, in some ways, suffer with the trauma.
The trauma may also be very invigorating for some. If you consider that realizing emotions is a beautiful thing, you’ll find very strong expressions that will be mostly momentous, to say the least. Your emotions are your connection with the way you communicate with essence. To say more would be intruding on Elias, but we’ll only add that you’ll do well to accept and allow your emotions in a big way, in a bigger way than you have yet in your lives. The emotional wave is wanting to occur because you want it to occur. So embrace your emotions in order to make your way delightfully through your next wave. Indeed, so do so.
STEVE: Well, you can mark me down as looking forward to it, like you say, some of us kind of look forward to this emotional trauma.
ROSE: (Pace quickens) That’s a good way to say that trauma isn’t necessarily a bad thing. The traumas you have been through often provide an acceleration of sorts through your difficult days. So trust that trauma is also a healing thing. So you’ll find that trauma is a friend, in some respects. Treat your friend well, and your friend will be good to you as well.
You have other questions?
STEVE: Iona wanted to know – thank you for asking – she wants to follow her heart, but her heart appears to be going in many directions at once, and so she doesn’t know which of the directions following her heart would be. Anything to say on that?
ROSE: Your dear Iona has a great big heart as well as a big soul that wants to intrude on her heart to whisper in her ear. Intentions will be what will help you figure out what you want to do in your days, in your years, in your very lives. Your Iona has the intention of Sumafi/Vold, according to Rose. She has gotten other intent readings from Elias, but her expression in your Rose’s perspective is that. [6]
Your Iona could interest herself in Elias’ teachings regarding the intentionality, as well as the soft orientation information. So trust that Iona, softie that she is, sometimes feals a pull of many different energies. Softies do this, so trust that she will continue her learning by allowing intentionality to really get into her head, so as to allow her to think more clearly about her passions, so as to intentionally discover a path. She’s always been on it, but to realize the path to go onto with some greater clarity is what many people need right now. So Iona will find some direction, as well as solace, in exploring this intentional path.[7]
STEVE: Sumafi with an “F,” or Sumari with an “R”?
ROSE: Sumafi with an “F.”
STEVE: Okay, thanks a lot.
ROSE: You’re very welcome.
PAUL: Rose, this is Paul speaking, I have a question about your whole thing you did with George in our last session at the very end of a very long weekend where most of the people in this room sat through five hours of sessions. It seems like you intentionally led him on a wild goose chase of sorts with all kinds of spurious nonsense information about Yellow Cabs and Broad Street in Santa Monica and whatnot, and I’m wondering what the hell that was all about!?[8]
ROSE: This was a test, George, dear one.
PAUL: (To George) Welcome to my world. (Group laughter)
GEORGE: (To Paul) Can I leave now? (Paul laughs)
PAUL: (Humorously) The doors are locked, and resistance in futile, you will be assimilated. (Group laughter)
ROSE: We test only because you’re ready for them. The tests are not to make you sad. The tests are not to make you feal bad in any way. You were wanting tests about the way you go about following your bliss. You found what? When you looked for your cab and your Carol, what did you find?
GEORGE: Nothing.
ROSE: You found something. You...
GEORGE: Well I think Charlie’s still alive.
ROSE: Yes.
GEORGE: The only Yellow Cabs are in Los Angeles, there’s none in Santa Monica. There’s no Broad Street. The only broad thing in Santa Monica is the Broad Theatre, and the Broad Museum. I pretty much know a lot of taxi drivers, know a lot of foreigners like me (Laughs), speaking to them at twelve o’clock at night. (Group laughter) There’s only four taxi cab companies in Santa Monica. I actually know a FedEx driver by now who saw me walking around and said, “You still around?” and I said, “Yes.” So after a lot of time and traffic and walking around, I kind of gave up, kind of didn’t.
The weirdest thing is that this name Lauren is stuck in my head, and my daughter was watching a T.V. show with a girl named Lauren. She said, “Dad, that’s my favorite character in the show.” Then I just watched the same show and she said, “Lauren got kicked off the show.” I said, “Where the hell is Lauren?” (Laughs) But, you know, I can’t go on this wild goose chase, and I’m just happy that I think Charlie’s still around, which makes me extremely happy. And I had a terrible time when I couldn’t get in touch with him. I called people in New York, called people here. So other than that, you know, thanks for the pain.
ROSE: (Slyly) You’re very welcome.
GEORGE: (To group) Like she just said earlier, “All this torment, it’s good for you.”
ROSE: Now we will explain – you deserve an explanation. We are wanting to assure you that you did pass the test. The test was to allow you to learn to discern. When you didn’t find your Carol…
GEORGE: Was it Carol or Lauren? I forgot by now. (Laughs)
PAUL: It was Carol.
GEORGE: It was Carol, alright.
ROSE: …what did you do when you didn’t find your Carol? You found who? Your Lauren was your intuition speaking to you in ways that we didn’t. We wanted you to learn to trust your intuition, to trust that your Rose is not an infallible source – you are. The way you were wanting to find a source that’s infallible is your mistake only – a small mistake, but a very important one to point out, because there are no infallible sources.
We will lead you on wild goose chases, because that’s what it will take to get you to stop thinking that we have your answers. The answers are in you – in your essence selves – that help you daily. You just tune us out. Rose wants you to find your way of spirit to allow you to talk to your essence every moment – to talk to your essence, not to Rose, although we will be there to assist.
When you, in your terms, were wanting to connect, you did what? You asked Rose. This isn’t a bad thing. We merely pointed you towards your own essence to allow you to be finding Charlie. We did try to connect the essences together. You did in some ways talk to Charlie that night, but you didn’t need to talk to him through Rose. You could have spoken to him by yourself, by tuning into your essence. That was the story we tried to tell you. By making you go on your goose chase, you did in some ways discover that your impressions were the foremost authority, not Rose. When you didn’t find your Carol, you found Lauren. You found that essence spoke to you in your terms – through your daughter as well. Your daughter told you what you wanted to hear. The weany girl gets some information from us through the weany boy, too.
Your individuals around you tell you all collections of things – collections of what they know through their own essences, as well as yours. So trust that when others speak to you, they are channeling as well. We suggest that your daughter had “the scoop” as much as we did. To say more will only allow your wanting to subside, because your wanting is getting in the way of your finding. And in this, you all want to learn to take on your world through teamwork with your essences. They are wanting to assist always.
So trust that, George, you’ve learned testing is a good thing. Steve has learned that trauma is a good thing. What more could you want to get yourselves past your fears about getting through your days in ways that are deeply, wonderfully satisfying for you? Trust that your tests are good ones, usually. We don’t want to cause suffering – not in any way, shape, or form – but tests provide ways to seek out the best of what you have for yourselves in ways that you haven’t considered before. So trust that when Rose tests you, it isn’t to make you feal bad or silly. It’s to test your way of spirit, for you are very good students. We wouldn’t do this if we didn’t think so. So, George, you win a gold star in the School of Rose (Joanne chuckles) for getting the test, indeed, as well as the lessons therein.
GEORGE: I think I’m going to go to Kris Chronicles right now. (Both laugh) No more Rose readings! There’s no tests there. (Group laughter) There’s no test. There’s no wild goose chase. I haven’t even found a turkey. I mean, I actually found something, but the funny thing is I kept thinking Lauren, but the girl’s supposed to be Carol, so what am I thinking Lauren for? I don’t even know any Laurens for God’s sake. Anyway….
ROSE: What do you seek?
GEORGE: What do I seek?
ROSE: Do you seek a girl? Do you seek yourself? Do you seek a finding of essence?
GEORGE: What do I seek? I just seek to create my reality the way I want to create it, and the less people inside my reality the better.
ROSE: The way you can think of reality creation is that you do create all your reality, but you also have very limited ways of defining who you are. When we say, “You,” we mean you as essence, not just George. So when you create, to say the least, you do so quite well, although you, George, don’t think so. So trust that you’ll find this to be true in time.
Sonter your essence – this is a way of breathing in your essence in every breath, as your essences breathe you in, as well, in their breaths.[9] We do sonter you, not in the physical sense – we aren’t physical – but we don’t neglect you, ever. We’re there in every moment.
When you find fear, you are only realizing that your ego is getting in your way. When you fear, you are tuning us out. We are massive. We are loving you in every moment. We forgive every single thing that you’ve ever done, because we will find you very beautiful in your every expression no matter what.
You have the source of all creation in your very breaths. When you really sonter us, you’ll find us, always, wanting to whisper in your ear. When you get this, you’ll have whatever you could possibly want, for there is no greater gift that you could expect than the connection that you will find when you open to your essence selves.
We will say more about this at a later date, but trust Rose will want to whisper in your ears, in testy ways always, to help you directly connect with your own essence. This is your Rose’s agenda, to do so.[10] So trust that’s how we have learned is the best way to help you – through tests. We’ve done this a great many times over the millennia. We don’t want to disappoint you. We are not Elias, or Kris, or even Seth, but Seth was more like us in many respects because he did challenge them [ESP class members] more in some ways than other “dead guys” these days. So trust we will help you this way. We promise we will. Now....
PAUL: So it’s like, with friends like you who needs enemies, right? (Group chuckles)
ROSE: (Humorously) You’re mad at us.
GEORGE: Well, the same, I mean if you hear something, is that my essence or is that Rose f-ing with me? (Group chuckles) You know what I mean? (Laughs) Is it another test coming, or is it I feel my essence talking to me?
PAUL: Welcome to my world. (Laughs) That’s what you’re learning to discern.
GEORGE: I hope you have the same phone company I have – unlimited minutes. (Group chuckles)
ROSE: (Humorously throughout) We will reimburse you. You’ll find the money deposited magically in your bank account when you look next time. We do this to them [Joanne and Paul] as well. Don’t feal you’re alone.
GEORGE: (Laughing) That was a joke!
ROSE: The weany girl has gotten into drawers full of information looking for things we send her to look for and has been most “pissed off” about it indeed.[11] So trust this will continue. Either we will lose our breath trying, or you will, indeed. We have our money on us, though – we don’t breathe. So trust we mean well, indeed. We love you. This is a kind of teaching that you’ve never gotten before, but is a very good way. When a Zen master strikes you with a cane, you’ll know it. This is the same as what Rose does in her own way, only no canes – corporal punishment is against the law in these states after all.
GEORGE: By the way, when they deposit the money, place a lot of zeros at the end – (Group laughs) the most amount of zeros you could, to magically appear in my account. That would be wonderful.
ROSE: (Humorously) We’ll see what we can do.
GEORGE: As many zeros as possible.
ROSE: Be sure to report on your bank account the next time we speak to you, dear one. (Group laughter)
MIKE: Just don’t be too focused on zero. (More chatter)
GEORGE: Euros are better!
DEBI: Rose, can I? I don’t know if I want to ask you...
ROSE: Please do.
DEBI: Yes, I’d like to.
GEORGE: Let someone else be tortured. (Group laughter)
DEBI: Just listening to all this…
GEORGE: (Laughs) I know, it’s like, way to show up, “I drove all the way here,” you know.
DEBI: Oh no, no! I love hearing everybody because I drew you to me just like you drew me to you, that’s the way I see it.
GEORGE: Now I think I created you, I’m not sure. (Laughs)
DEBI: No you didn’t create me, but you drew me to you. That’s why...
GEORGE: Well I think I’m creating my reality now. I’m not sure anymore.
ROSE: You are always doing that, dear one.
DEBI: I think I’m creating all my reality – I’m pretty sure I am. I’m very good at less trauma now, more drama. The last time we left, I had an assignment to come up with an intent name,[12] and I’m screwed, all I can get is “Drama Llama.” Whatever, I don’t care. I don’t even care. I don’t even give a shit. I know what I am. I know who I am, and it’s really pissing me off that I can’t come up with something more creative than that, because it doesn’t fit me.
PAUL: I like it.
DEBI: Yeah but, you know, it’s just too... it’s like calling a doll a dolly.
PAUL: But it’s a start. It’s something.
DEBI: I guess. Is that okay?
PAUL: It’s okay, it can change. You can change it in time.
DEBI: You know what it is, too? I’m moving way more into my Milumet alignment. Thank you God, all the gods – Odin, Jesus, I don’t care, myself – that’s the God I’m thanking. I’m always going to be Vold, and I don’t know how you see me, Rose, right now, but I am taking a vacation from Vold-land and I dove headlong into Milumet, because guess what I decided, I realized? “You are Debi. You chose to align Milumet in this life. Why are you shutting that off? Why have you always shut that off? Why do you lean into this Vold crap that just makes you insane? It doesn’t make you insane, you already are this way.”
But I find that I feel like I’m on vacation compared to the way I was, and I am well aware that I am deeply exploring two emotions right now – probably more – because I think we never, ever, express one at a time. That’s very rare. That may just be me, but I’ve gone through some deep irritation only to be followed up very, very recently with jealousy. And I get it. I got it. I know that’s what I’m doing.
I guess I’m not quite sure what the question is I want to put to you. It’s kind of like I feel that by recognizing that leaning into the more authentic me right now, which is to express more as Milumet, is very much the direction that is the most helpful to me at this point in time. It may stay that way forever. It may change. I mean, again, my essence as Oona is Vold, and that’s the way that is. Okay, but I have created some things lately that are just mind-blowing, and I totally get it that I absolutely can flip something on a dime. I mean, it can be: I’m going to stab myself right in the gut, and five minutes later, “Wheee! We’re going to Disneyland.” And that’s how it is.
And I kind of don’t want to be that extreme anymore. So I am going, “Okay, what’s the signal? What’s the emotion? What are you getting? Okay, you are irritated like a big (inaudible). Alright, I guess irritation is on the table this week, this month, this whatever. We’re going to plow through this bad boy until we’re done, because I don’t want to visit it again, okay?”
It doesn’t surprise me that I’m also complaining of the jealousy, because I think jealousy is very irritating. (Laughs) It’s definitely got a kind of dovetail, but I’m feeling myself exploring these things, and creating some very clumsy maneuvers, and it’s okay because as a Milumet I can be clumsy. It’s not my job to sort out everything. It’s just my job to just be me, the best I can. And I feel like it’s okay to slow down. It’s okay to work at my own pace. It’s okay to be me. Get off my own back. “Okay, you’re not bad. You’re not horrible. Everything’s fine. Everything’s good – things are kind of going alright. (Pause) Fuck I’m bored, now what?”
So does that mean, basically, like I’m ready for something more, more, more? When I hit that restless irritable discontent, which goes back to my AA days I’m not sure sometimes. Is it like, “Alright you’re done here, move on over here?” Is it? I’m confused. You can tell.
ROSE: You’re correct. You are – and (They chuckle) that’s not a bad thing, to be confused.
DEBI: It’s very familiar to me.
ROSE: You’re wanting to find a sort of path for yourself that will be more fun for you. If you’re on a good path – not good in the sense of goody, goody….
DEBI: Yeah.
ROSE: If you’re on a good path, then you don’t need to find drama. When you’re intentionally on your path, you will be on a good path. There’s no one path for you, but there is one that you can follow that will provide you fun without the fear that you’re experiencing now. That’s why we suggested the intent name.
Now, you are correct that the “Dalai Lama of Drama” (Debi laughs) isn’t necessarily the best name for you, but that has some clues that you can use to discover more about what you want to do. We mean do.
DEBI: Exactly.
ROSE: Doing something that you’ll find funny, as well as warm. Everything you are is what you can do – not just the things you do to do something. Your warmth, as well as sense of fun, want to express themselves in a very big way. You’re wanting to find those expressions in your life.
You content yourself to find funny, warm ways to deal with the stress in your life by examining the trauma, examining the drama, but this is only a glimmer of what you can find on your way of spirit. This is only a preview. Your way includes warmth, fun, humor, creativity, finding of sexuality, finding of romance, finding of people to love you in ways that you haven’t allowed yourself yet.
Now, what is it about your intent name you don’t like? The one you recently came up with.
DEBI: The “Drama Llama”?
ROSE: “Drama Llama,” yes.
DEBI: Well my intent is to explore drama, which we’ve already discussed.
ROSE: You’re not exactly correct in that.
DEBI: Can you help me a little bit then? And I can maybe answer your question better. Maybe that’s why I can’t answer it.
ROSE: Your intentionality is wanting to find you in your Milumet ways. Remember, you’re aligned Milumet so your intentionality will reflect that, in some ways, that your alignment hasn’t yet. So wanting to align is what the lesson is here. You were pulled in Vold directions because that’s what you do well.
DEBI: Mmhm.
ROSE: Your belonging-to does that. Your alignment-with is the challenge. To focus on your belonging to isn’t the point. The point is the alignment, always. So trust that you’ll find ways to be the “Llama” with the Lama on it. You can find (Group laughter) different ways of spelling the world llama can’t you?
DEBI: I just got a snapshot of “Brokeback Llama,” or something. (Laughs)
ROSE: That’s what we’re getting at. The llama carries things a far way. The Milumet does as well. They carry the remembrance. They carry the world of ideas on their backs. They make their way in the world in traumatic ways sometimes, because they don’t get the respect they should. They aren’t the doers that others are sometimes. The Milumet are the carriers of the world. The llama is an apt, really apt, metaphor for Milumet. So try to discover in your llama the really wonderful intentionality that is carried on his back.
DEBI: (Emotionally) I love that. That was so cool.
ROSE: Okay?
DEBI: Thank you for that. That just validated so much of what’s been going on with me.
ROSE: The drama part you don’t need any more. That will be always present…
DEBI: Yeah.
ROSE: …but don’t focus on it. Focus on your llama, then find matching words to go along with your llama to assist you in the intentionality name exercise.
DEBI: That sounds so cool to me. I can’t wait to do that.
ROSE: You did the job, dear one, not us. You listened to your own essence to tell you that. Today we only encouraged you to continue to explore with your essence what you need to. So do so…
DEBI: Thank you.
ROSE: …and you’re very welcome.
DEBI: But everything you said is exactly how I feel. There’s some things I’ve done lately, like where I stepped outside of the box somewhat, and realizing that in doing so I’m actually stepping more into me.
ROSE: You’re exactly correct.
DEBI: That’s what it has felt like, and so I’m not afraid of that. I’m excited. I’m excited! But I can get overwhelmingly excited and the next thing you know I’m crying all the time – I was crying this morning.
ROSE: Your reality is changing. This is traumatic. The tears are a very good way to cope.
DEBI: It’s like a release.
ROSE: Exactly.
DEBI: I wondered about that, because there’s nothing really specific to attach it to. I was just like, “Ehhh,” you know, and then of course I created a lot of drama so that I could, you know....
ROSE: You don’t need the drama to get through your changes. You have found ways to do so with drama, but this isn’t always necessary for you. It’s a habit, that’s all.
DEBI: Yeah, and I don’t want to struggle anymore. Drama I’ll always dig, because I can sit on the sidelines and watch your drama and get just as much pleasure out of it as my own, although it’s slightly different – not yours, but other friends. But at any rate, I’m never going to let go of that because I do love drama – not trauma – but drama. It’s got its places, it’s exciting.
ROSE: There’s another way to learn to accept a word that has negative connotations.
DEBI: Yeah, and it doesn’t so much for me. I appreciate that, because I want to always have that option, to kick up some drama – and I will – but to know that I can retreat back into my most authentic self, and that is not a dramatic cluster-f, like I can get. (Debi’s cell phone goes off.) Oh shit, I didn’t turn my phone off. I’m getting the message, okay?! (Group laughter)
ROSE: Your essence is calling you, dear one. (Group laughs as Debi tries to locate her phone.) Answer the phone, dear one. (Group laughter)
CAT: Oona! Oona where are you?
ROSE: We have some more questions, dear ones?
CAT: I will ask if you have any suggestions for accepting our emotions, suggestions for games we can play with emotions such as irritation.
ROSE: That’s an excellent question – follow-up question as well. The emotions you are fealing sometimes are your essences’ ways of finding your ways of spirit. We’ll explain.
The finding of your way of spirit is a very important thing. This is Rose’s way of saying that your Elias information about intention is exactly the [thing] you need to be happy. The way of spirit is your way of getting to recognize the path you’re on in ways that provide happiness.
In other words, sometimes you’ll find that your emotions want to get you on your path, but you don’t exactly know how. Your emotions will ring the alarm that will encourage you to look a little deeper at what you’re doing to get you on the way of spirit, dear one. So, when you’re wanting emotions, you’re wanting essence to speak with you. This was the way we created emotions – to help you tell yourself what we want you to know. We want you to be emotional creatures. We want to tell you things in your emotions that you wouldn’t normally notice.
So first of all, your emotions are your essence talking to you. This is a very good thing. So when you’re fealing blue, trust that your emotions are wanting you to feal the love your essence has for you. We want you to be happy, though. To tell you through your emotions sometimes doesn’t make sense to you, because the way emotions have of stirring things up sometimes is painful. So we don’t want you to suffer, but we do want you to find out what it is we’re trying to tell you. Take, for example, when you go to the store and you don’t find the things you want. You may get upset. You may get so upset that you’ll be in tears, because you had certain expectations of that thing you needed. We want you to notice that. We want you to treantea that.
Treantea is the exercise we’ve given to help you consider different things that you wouldn’t normally. The treantea exercise helps you realize you don’t necessarily need to be upset about any way of finding your days. So when things don’t work out and you get upset, you may want to look at this to discover why, knowing we want you to explore with our help what you need to discover. Then discover it through treantea, because treantea, in many ways, will release you from many of the things that you’ve found to be painful – expectations of how life should be.
So when you discover the treantea method for allowing yourself to get over the things that upset you, you’ll discover a multitude of things that you’ll want to be able to really get into. To say “get into” is why you want your way of spirit. Your way of spirit is to get into things you want to passionately do. So, your emotions are your way of expressing to yourself, “This isn’t working.” Or, “This is working, and I’m noticing that as well.” When this occurs, you’re either on your path, or you’re wanting to find your path, and treantea is a good way to do that.[13]
So learn to trust your emotions as gods-in-flesh, as you are that. And your emotions, your sexuality, your wanting to compassionately deal in your world, are all examples of how you’re wanting to remember your greatness. Emotions are that. They are your way of remembering your greatness – not your fallacies, not your weaknesses. Indeed, there’s nothing wrong with weaknesses, but when you get to finding ways to beat yourself up about having emotions, this isn’t good. They are your way of expressing the deepest things about yourself to yourself. We want to assure you they are good always. Anger, even, is good.
Now anger is a very wanting-to-be-understood emotion that you’ll all find helpful, hopefully. Anger needs to express itself in action. When you’re angry, you need to take action, somehow. Even if it’s just making a note to yourself about how you want to be allowing something in your future. Anger helps you sort things out really well. So trust that anger is a good emotion to have, and learn from it to take action, and trust that this is a very good thing to do. Be angry sometimes. Does that answer your question?
CAT: Very helpful.
PAUL: Can I just add a comment there? Because treantea is kind of new, and it takes a while with any practice to get into it. But to try to put it in Elias’ terms, he tells us to notice what you are doing and choosing. Treantea kind of looks at what you’re not doing and not choosing, along with what you’re doing and choosing. So it’s kind of a way of looking at the notes, but also looking at the silences between the notes that you kind of take for granted, and to kind of start to see the bigger probability cluster that you’re in the middle of, and that this emotional communication, in your example perhaps, is trying to help you understand and deal with, consciously bring it up into conscious awareness.
So the treantea practice has helped me to just chill out, detach a little bit from it, and just kind of, “Alright, I’m just going to spend a little time detached, and I’m in this area with it right now. That’s where I am, and I’m feeling a strong emotional communication, but what am I missing? What am I not doing? What am I not choosing? What could I be doing?”
And it helps you to look at these other possibilities and damn, once you put energy in that area, things start to appear, and suddenly the conflict lessens. And in time, it lessens really fast once you get better at the practice of doing that, and looking at what you’re doing and choosing, what you’re not doing and not choosing – which takes some cognitive power to learn to do.
Elias talks about automatic responses – which are these subconscious things that we’re just trained to do, and we don’t think about them, but we’re bringing those automatic responses into awareness as well, and once you start to identify and recognize those things that you’re doing and choosing, then you can open the door to what am I not doing then and not choosing, and suddenly other solutions come up and it’s really empowering. So that’s just my summary. How was that, teacher? (Laughs)
ROSE: Excellent, dear one, indeed.
CAT: That’s good, thank you.
ROSE: That’s exactly correct. The treantea is a corrective action that will immediately help you feal better, as well as consider the great many options you have available to yourselves. We recommend it highly. We want to assure you that the weany boy and girl wanted a better name for it, but we insisted on it because it is a very treantea act in itself.[14] Why not such an ugly word for such a beautiful practice, indeed? So say it with pride and do it with gusto, indeed. (Laughter)
We will request your additional questions. (Pause while George considers his question.) Yes, dear one? You’re not still mad at us?
GEORGE: Just a little bit.
ROSE: Okay. (Group laughter)
GEORGE: Regarding my orientation, I don’t know what it is, but I have been pegged as a soft. Is it or is it not?
ROSE: That’s correct. You are a softie.
GEORGE: Okay. Can I get out of it? (Group laughter)
ROSE: You can if you are speaking as essence, yes.
GEORGE: Yeah, I feel worse with my essence too, but not at this time.
ROSE: That will help you understand a lot of your responses to things, dear one. The softies especially have a very good use for Elias’ descriptions about them that are available on the Elias website. The softies have a “eureka” kind of moment when they discover the soft information.[15] So trust that you’ll find value there.
Yes, dear?
STEVE: Rose, I want to first state for the record that I am Sumafi/Vold, and you’re getting Sumafi/Vold for Iona, and Iona posted three days ago that Elias confirmed to her that I was her soulmate. I don’t know what a soulmate is, but maybe there’s some relation there.
The question that I have is about my current half-baked scheme to heal various ailments of mine. I had thought until today – I was advised, maybe I’m wrong – that the language of essence was symbolic. So I called this healing method “Beneficial Voodoo.” If I had a doll, I’d use it, but I just use objects that represent me, and then whatever part of my body I want to heal, I put a piece of tape signifying healing over that part of me – like a pair of scissors, or a bottle, or you can get a doll. And low and behold, I have to say, in the few days I’ve been doing it, it works better than anything I’ve ever done. Now maybe it will conk out or whatever, but do you have any comment on that? I mean, that’s kind of like symbolically speaking to essence, and apparently essence, I don’t know, doesn’t seem to know English very well. So, do you have any comment on that? I don’t mean essence. I mean my subjective, well same thing, okay.
ROSE: You are correct. The essence is the same thing more or less. The essence self is wider in many respects. So your wanting to follow your subjective inner voices is your essence speaking through the subjective inner self. Trust this is happening and you’re listening, indeed, to your inner self when you do this.
STEVE: Okay.
ROSE: Exciting stuff, isn’t it?
STEVE: Exciting what?
ROSE: Stuff, isn’t it?
STEVE: Well it is for me.
ROSE: Indeed! We congratulate you…
STEVE: Oh good!
ROSE: …on your deep expressions of healing! Indeed you are finding the best way to heal yourself, that is, tuning into your deepest Self. So trust that the “Team Rose” is applauding you in spirit right now.
We essences love you. We love you so very much that we applaud you when you connect in ways that you find beneficial. So trust that you have millions of essences encouraging you towards your health. So continue your great way of spirit, for your wanting to heal yourself is the best thing you could do right now. So continue to do so. We give you a gold star for that. (Laughter) That is very good learning, as well as taking action in ways that are beneficial for you.
Having the need to heal yourself is a way you can heal the world, in some ways. When you heal yourself, you find ways to “Voldly” go where no man has gone before. (Group laughter) You have ways of having your Vold-self speak in ways that are even more powerful than when you try to get others to do things. Your changing yourself in such a big way is truly an act of bold, Vold existence.
Intentionality is expressed mostly in self, but you are the world as well. For how can you change the world if you cannot live up to the changes that are required in yourself? You have taken up the gauntlet of this deep transformation, and you are changing the world in your beautiful expression of healing, indeed. So continue, dear one, you’re doing an excellent job.
STEVE: Oh, good.
ROSE: And we suggest getting a voodoo doll (Group laughter), instead of scissors, because it will assist in your ways of spirit. (Cat gives Steve her leopard doll.) There’s one now.
GAIL: Perfect!
STEVE: What do you want me to do? (Group laughter)
ROSE: That’s up to you.
PAUL: Do the voodoo that you doodoo!
GAIL: You don’t need a bottle, you have a doll right here!
CAT: I brought the love leopard for a reason! (Group chatter/laughter as Steve examines the doll.)
ROSE: That’s you, dear one. You’re the love leopard.
STEVE: I’m not sure about this part here. (Examining the tail near the leopard doll’s open legs)
ROSE: Well, turn that around and use it however you need to. (Howls of laughter)
STEVE: Oh my! We’re talking about the tail, for the record here.
ROSE: Dear one, your wanting to heal yourself is the greatest thing you can do. Express to yourself the love of Rose as well as the love of the other essences present here tonight, and others that you haven’t yet met. They are all assisting in your loving leopard ways. So continue to trust that the leopard represents the loving essences that are here to comfort, as well as heal you, indeed.
STEVE: Am I wrong that my subjective communicates through symbols? Is that my objective that’s doing that? What’s the story on that?
ROSE: You’re wanting an explanation that is somewhat complicated, but we’ll give you a summary. When subjectively you get images, you can translate these objectively at times, not always though. Sometimes subjective images are not really comprehensible to the objective mind. So the answer is: sometimes the subjective is telling you things in symbols, but don’t expect that you’ll always be able to interpret them objectively. Okay?
So when you’re fealing overwhelmed with images, trust that you don’t need to sort them all out for yourself. Realize that there are other ways to interpret them – like through intuitions – that you’ll understand something all of a sudden without having to think through it. You’ll just know. So don’t worry that you have to think to get the deepest information – you don’t. Nor do you have to interpret symbols. You can trust yourself to know.
STEVE: Elias has an inner landscape exercise whereby you visualize in your mind’s eye – you rearrange a field with trees around it, and the trees represent a white symbol, and the field represents a black symbol, and I think he said that that’s the way we best to speak to yourself. And that’s what I was intending to do with this, except, I can state that this works better than words. I can get some effect from words, but not like this. This works better for me than an inner landscape – trees and fields, I just couldn’t figure that one out too well, but this is so simple, it’s like voodoo. I don’t know if voodoo works? But maybe it does.
ROSE: (Joanne laughs) That’s correct. It does sometimes, because your beliefs are the voodoo, in some ways. The landscape is you, in many ways. The doll is your wanting to create a landscape that you can, in some ways, manipulate. This is good to do because it allows you to realize that you are allowing the landscape to get into your body, in some respects. You have the ability to manipulate the landscape in impressionable ways that interest your body in allowing to cohabitate. So when you’re playing with your voodoo doll, you’re imagining a sort of inner landscape [that you’re allowing] of finding health. So continue to do what works for you.
We think that the Elias landscape is sometimes the best way for some, but not all, and to think of the landscape isn’t really the point, in some ways. In your Rose’s terms, we’ll say that the landscape gives you a sense of openness and fearlessness that is sometimes helpful in your meditations in regard to opening to essence, so the fealing-tone is what may be helpful, not the perfect assimilation of what bush goes there or what tree goes there. Sometimes those with high logical skills get a little hung up on the high concepts that others may prescribe for meditation. We suggest the fealing-tone is what the important thing is in that exercise.[16] Okay, dear one?
STEVE: Okay, thank you.
ROSE: You’re very welcome.
GAIL: Speaking of feeling-tone, I’m picking up a more intensity of energy here today, and is that because Joanne’s kind of moving farther back and your energy is more there?
ROSE: (Pace is quick) You’re correct that weany girl is allowing more this evening. Also, there’s an intensity in the wonderful participants that are here tonight. She reflects that in many ways – she’s soft, to say the least. (Joanne laughs)
That’s a joke. (Group laughter) If she were more soft, she’d be mushy. (More laughter) She’s so soft that when she sits around the house, she sits around the house – no, that’s a terrible joke. We will say that (Joanne laughs) she is getting out of the way more. This was a test for her, because she wanted to be involved in the conversation about her, but she resisted in a good way that allows Rose to get more from her allowance.
Now, we also want to say that we were fine with her the way she was last week, but she does want to learn to go deeper. We want to also point out that she did express that she didn’t want to talk to you during the expression of Rose. So she wanted to (Joanne laughs), she wanted us to say that, because she didn’t want to bring herself into the conversation anymore.[17] We are good with this. We want her to participate on a somewhat distant level. She is doing that, but she wants to go deeper, and we respect that.
The way we want to express that it’s happening is that she will want to trance channel in time. We want her to do what weany girl wants. So we want only to express the way of spirit for her. It doesn’t matter that she trance-channel. The way we want her to be is happy. We want her to be healthy. That’s what we want for her. So her decision is to trance-channel to get deeper, to not participate in question-answering, to allow herself to step out more. To weany girl we are the scribe, the assistant, because she asked us to tell you that tonight so she wouldn’t have to.
GAIL: Mmhm. Also, I’d like to thank you for the bird song.
ROSE: You’re very welcome, indeed.
GAIL: And I’m exploring emotion through my five senses. Do you have any comment on that?
ROSE: Interesting experience, is it not? The five senses will be what you’re wanting to explore in ways that won’t turn you into a very interesting person. In your terms, you want to express things in your ways, but not in your intuition’s ways. So to say that to explore your intuitions in your senses is almost an interesting oxymoron, as you don’t necessarily do that naturally. But we express to you that you are onto something that is mostly interesting to you, but not weaning you of your ways of intuition. So to examine yourself in ways that are truly intuitive, we want to wean you of your wanting to do so in your five senses, because this isn’t necessarily the best use of your intuitions.
But, we will also tell you that the thing you are onto is a way of summarizing intuitions so as to get shorthand for them, in a sense. The shorthand is your way of getting the information in ways that only you are aware of. So when you get the sensations in your body or your mind, you’re getting a sort of shorthand that is special to you only, and your scribing is summarized in how you assign gifting to yourself in this way. In other words, you are creating your own language, in a sense, in the most literal sense.
GAIL: Mmhm.
ROSE: So trust that you’re wanting to get the spirit in your five senses, but trust that this is not the most intuitive way always, but a sensational way to get the shorthand for the same things. Okay, do you understand?
GAIL: I think so, I’ll absorb it.
PAUL: Can I suggest that we take a break? The battery is running low over here…
ROSE: Indeed.
PAUL: …and I don’t want to miss anything, and it’s dinner time.
ROSE: Okay, let’s eat. Thank you.
BREAK: 6:01 PM.
RESUME: 7:25 PM.
ROSE: (Pace is slow) The way of spirit realizes the best, most wonderful fealings for you, as well as the way that you can best truly find your way of being happy in the world. You’re wanting to allow your cantankerous essence selves to come through you, but you don’t exactly know why, do you? We are aware that you are not following us when we say “cantankerous,” but you sometimes think of us as that, because you don’t realize that we are you. To take on a word like that explains how you may feal about allowing an individual to speak with you.
The Roses you allow to speak with you now are a bit cantankerous at times, don’t you think so George? (Laughter) In this, you can also thank your essences, for they are also – they are contrary. They are contrary to your expectations that you have that will be considered religious icons, like angels. We are angels, but we are also devils. We’ll explain.
Your essences want to get your attention so much that they will ensure you know it. The ways they do this are really interesting. They will throw up on you. They will have someone else throw up on you. They will make you crazy in many ways to help you see that you need to get on your path.
We will use the metaphor of a very good sheepdog that keeps the sheep in line. The sheep would love to go about their days falling off cliffs every once in a while, but the dog maintains their health and their lives, to say the least, by barking and snarling to get their attention. We call this the contrary self. You’d do very well to read our articles about this self,[18] because it is the way your essence speaks with you every day, and you shut this voice out as long as you fear that the voice doesn’t mean you well – it does. So trust that your contrary self is a very good way to realize the essences’ voices in your wonderful ears.
So do so, as well as find ways to talk back in ways that you’re very comfortable with, because you want to talk back to your contrary self as well. The way you’ll find to do this will please you. You only need to talk to yourself. When you notice that you’re taking on two roles, that’s when your contrary self is engaged. So do that so as to get the full benefit of your willingness to achieve what your friends have achieved. You have this ability. You need to allow yourselves to channel in your ways only.
To say that there’s only wonderful ways and not wonderful ways is incorrect – every way to channel is good. So find your way, as well as find the way of spirit for yourselves, because to channel is a good thing. To take the ways of spirit into your lives is even better, because you’ll need ways to apply your abilities so as to create the lives you desire, truly desire.
Not just once, the contrary self will help you determine your desires. So allow your contrary self to blossom in your conversations with him as well as her, for we consider her a real “she-bitch,” if you’ll pardon the expression, that will protect you just like a den-mother that would realize protection of a den of wolves, indeed. So do so. She will really be fun as well. So trust that the inner contrary self is a friend you’ll find helpful, indeed. We’d like to allow your questions now.
STEVE: On that subject?
ROSE: We would like you to find ways to try to stay on topic, but it’s not a requirement.
STEVE: Very well.
MIKE: I’ll cut in before Steve starts. I don’t think I have this contrary self thing – I don’t understand it.
ROSE: You do. You don’t always allow him to say what’s on his mind. That’s very common, so don’t worry. It’s there, you only need to rest in your knowing then really listen. When you find that things don’t go so well is when he will really be there for you, indeed. So when you’re fearing instead of fealing wonderful, that’s when the contrary self is going to prove most valuable. You do have one; we trust you do.
We try to be that self to you in ways to help you. The way you can think of Rose is as a “contrary supervisor” of sorts that will be contrary for you if you need to be reminded. That’s why we test. This is in ways that will only allow a brief explanation of. This is somewhat the weany girl’s contrary self coming through. The way you can think of it is as a mothering instinct that is allowed through your Borledim intentionality.[19] So she wants to be contrary for you. That’s why she sometimes says things that are not commendable, because she is in tune with her contrary self.
She allows Rose to do so at times as well. You discussed this outside.[20] She is open to allowing much to come through in spite of the ways she’s been taught to only allow the wonderful, wise, “provider of wisdom.” She also realizes that the best teachers are often your wonderful comedians, for example, who teach through contrariness.
So learn to allow this self by not caring what the world might think of you. The contrary self, in many respects, has been existent always, but has shut down because of the world’s woes. The contrary self was wonderfully incorporated in your tribes as very respected members. The contrary person was revered, not realizing casting aside as your realization of pristine ways has done in recent years. So trust that the contrary self is coming back in a very big way, existentially in you, as well as in the world, too.
The common ways that you’ll find in this is in, for example, allowing yourselves to say what you want, whenever you want. “Ta Da!” (Paul chuckles) Then saying, “Sorry that I said that, but I don’t know what I was thinking.” Indeed you weren’t – you were channeling, because at times that contrary self is the Divine voice of God, you could say. The fact that it’s unpopular is not any reason to believe under-impressionable ways, that’s true, but to say in every way that it’s wrong is very distressing to the world. It’s not healthy to not say what’s on your minds, no matter what happens as a result. The way you’re thinking of realizing politeness sometimes intrudes upon doing what’s right. So trust that your wanting to sometimes be impolite is a good thing. Only, don’t say we told you so. (Group laughter)
PAUL: (Humorously) “But Rose said I should....”
ROSE: We want you to be discerning, dear ones. But this isn’t a test, this is your way of saying to yourselves, above all, what is not correct, for when you suppress the contrary self, you get more problems than when you don’t.
MIKE: I guess my confusion is, what’s it contrary to? Is it contrary to broader expectations, or is it contrary to habitual actions? And I was assuming it was more of contrary to my own habitual actions, in which case I don’t necessarily see that much hunger. But if it’s contrary to expectations that may be perceived, then I understand what you’re saying.
ROSE: That’s exactly right. The contrary self realizes contrariness to the beliefs you hold about how you’re supposed to be, and not necessarily to the ways of the world. The ways of the world need contrary selves, indeed, but the way to best realize the contrary self is why you’re asking the excellent question. So take on your own self as well as your beliefs first, then realize how your wanting to provide expression in many ways can be included in your actions. Indeed, do so.
Yes?
STEVE: You ghosts are fond of providing us with metaphors, for example, that the subjective is speaking to us in various ways. Gail and Drew were involved in a session with Elias called, “A Quiet Whisper,”[21] and Patel echoed this precisely too, about how you have to quiet the excitement in your mind. Quiet the noise and listen for the quiet whisper. I sit there for hours sometimes listening for that whisper, and I’m not sure what form it’s going to be coming in, because – I guess it’s real quiet – ‘cause I’m not hearing it. And I try to say: “Are there any feelings present? No. Emotions? No. Impressions? No. Impulses? No.” I’m just sitting here listening to nothing. So what’s the solution to that? What is the nature of this “voice”?
ROSE: Your wanting to do so is the first thing. So you’re correct to try. Many individuals aren’t doing the really great exercises, so take heart that when you try, you will eventually do.
STEVE: Eventually.
ROSE: So continue to try.
Now, next, try to envision a wonderful place – as we did suggest prior to your meal. The place doesn’t need to be interesting your mind, only your fealings. The place is a blissful place that you’re wanting to go to always in your dreams. So continue to really try to connect with your place, but in your fealings.
STEVE: With my feelings to the place?
ROSE: So, for example, imagine a beach in a beautiful, remote place where you can truly realize peace, and beauty, and fearlessness, as well as rest. Try to think of this place now. (Pause) Ahhhhhhhhh. Doesn’t that feal good?
STEVE: I felt a relaxation response.
ROSE: Exactly. You were wanting us to help – we did. So you can trust that when you do this the next time, your essence will be there as well, to assist. Then you can really take off. Trust that you’ll find ways to get the information then, when you’re fealing good, when you’re fealing at rest – at beauty, at peace. So try this anytime. This is the way we teach meditation.
STEVE: Okay.
ROSE: This is how we think meditation truly should be – to feal good, indeed.
STEVE: Well I can understand that, and I’m sure that could be quite helpful. But the thing is, I’m not sure what I should be listening for. What is the form of this information coming in, do you think most often? Should I say to myself, “Okay, look for this type of information, or input, or voice.” You see, “voice” means nothing to me. It’s not going to talk words in my head, right?
PAUL: You never know!
ROSE: There may be some words that come, as well as thoughts that would transcend words. Trust that when you realize provisions of beauty in your realizing of your inner paradise, so to speak, you’ll get the whispers, but don’t try to figure out what they’ll be. We suggest that they will be always in response to the questions you have, whether you ask them or not. Trust that essence does know your questions, so when you get the whispers, they’ll be correct.
STEVE: But are you saying they come in the form then of an idea? I’ll just kind of get an idea?
ROSE: They can.
STEVE: I won’t hear anything. I won’t see anything. I won’t feel anything. I’ll just get an idea that pops into my head.
ROSE: Exactly.
STEVE: Just like you do when you’re thinking.
PAUL: An impression, what we call an impression.
STEVE: That’s an impression, huh?
ROSE: We suggest that you get the ideas more frequently when you rest than when you think.
STEVE: Yeah, ideas. Okay, I can understand ideas.
PAUL: And also your expectation. If you go into this with an expectation – expecting – you’re just going to block it. So you have to surrender to expectations, and just go into what she’s trying to describe, into that place that is just paradisiacal, and allow the imagery to unfold how it will. It may be words. It may be impressions. It may be fealings. It maybe symptoms – you may get a twitching in your calf muscle, or something.
DREW: Symbols, she said earlier.
ROSE: That’s exactly right, yes.
STEVE: So I shouldn’t just always look for an idea because it may come in a different form.
ROSE: Right.
PAUL: That’s right, and if you’re expecting only an idea, you’re getting all this other stuff all the time and you’re missing it!
STEVE: So I actually have to have this omnibus awareness of everything that’s coming in.
PAUL: Just notice it. Just Witness it. Notice it.
CAT: Just relax.
PAUL: Relax and notice it without expectation.
STEVE: And not look for anything specific.
PAUL: And when something happens, try not to start thinking about it so much – just pull back and see if more comes, and if you fall into it more.
STEVE: And this happens to you? You hear the whisper?
PAUL: Yeah. That’s how I understand this quiet whisper.
STEVE: Okay.
ROSE: Exactly.
GAIL: I usually get visions, and I’m knowing what the visions are.
STEVE: By visions you mean you actually see something?
GAIL: Yeah. I see, like, scenes.
STEVE: Okay, I won’t project what’s going to happen.
GEORGE: You know what Elias actually said was he would send energy when you were [inaudible], and it depends on how you translate that energy.
CAT: I actually get a little voice.
STEVE: You do?
CAT: I hear a little voice saying, “Uh oh, you better watch that.” And I’m like, what? (Group laughter) And it’s usually right, it’s always right.
DEBI: Twinges. You get those weird twinges.
GEORGE: What happens is that the more ideas you give him, the more of a trap you set for him, because now he’s going to look for every one of them (Joanne laughs) instead of allowing himself to do that. You’ve got to find your own way.
ROSE: That’s exactly right.
DEBI: Stop thinking. Rose told us a while back to rest-in-Rose – to STOP!
ROSE: Be on the beach.
DEBI: Be on the beach.
STEVE: The best idea that you guys have given is that I sit there and I say, “Well I can’t look for everything at once, I’m not that smart.” So I’ll just try to find a feeling, “Now am I feeling anything at this moment?”
ROSE: That’s exactly right.
STEVE: (To the group) Or are you are saying that that’s wrong?
ROSE: Just feal the fealing.
STEVE: Feeling is a good one to look for specifically, then?
ROSE: Don’t look, just feal.
PAUL: Once again, you’re setting an expectation.
GEORGE: Make a formula please.
ROSE: Just feal…
STEVE: Oh, just feal. Don’t look for it, just feal.
ROSE: …on the beach. Just relax.
CAT: Let it happen. Let whatever is right, be right.
ROSE: Let’s do this again.
PAUL: (Laughs) Okay.
ROSE: Let’s go back to the beach, all of us together.
GAIL: (Relaxing) Okay. (Lets out a deep breath.)
ROSE: (Slowly, rhythmically) The waves are lapping at the shore. (Birds start chirping outside.) The birds are singing. The winds are dying down now.[22] For really long times now, the winds have provided storms. They are now allowing peace. They are subsiding. The wonderful thoughts are also subsiding in order to provide rest, and clarity, and sontering to breathe in the wonderful, humid, tropical air, to realize total rest, and realizing that there is nothing to be feared or to do. The thoughts have gone away.
We are here as sonterers of you. We are here breathing you now as you rest on the beach that you’ve created for us to commune, and when you realize that you’re here with us, you totally rest in our loving ways (A cricket starts chirping outside) of providing you whatever you need to be happy. So now take a few deep breaths and drink in the beautiful sunshine of your loving essences who whisper things to share so you’ll be truly, independently happy. No matter what situation you find yourself in, we are there always.
Now, you’re wanting to sing, but you’re shy. What will you sing today? Will it be the song of your Self? Will it be the song of your essence? If you’d like, we will give you the words to use, indeed, as well as the music, the voice, the chorus, the images, the ideas, the stage – everyone’s there to provide you whatever the things are that you’ll require for your beautiful constructions. So when you hear the words that will sing you a beautiful life, do you hear us now?
We suggest you try to keep this wonderful fealing that you’ve created for yourselves as long as you’d like, and come back to this place whenever you feal the need to speak to us. (The clock chimes ring in the background.) The chimes are ringing to tell you to come back, beautiful ones, from your reverie, as well as keep the fealing that you’ve created as you go about your evening.
Now, we suggest that there were some whispers. Do you remember what they were?
STEVE: You’re asking me?
ROSE: Not necessarily, but if you’d like to share, you certainly can.
STEVE: Well, I’ll have to work on it.
ROSE: Okay. We wanted to tell you a bit about the environment that we want you to experience when you rest-in-Rose, as we call it.
STEVE: Rest in what?
ROSE: In Rose. The way you can think of resting-in-Rose is as a way of finding your truly deepest self enfolded in Rose’s loving arms. So we help you connect with your own essence, but when you’re wanting some assistance, your Roses are there to help you do that. So rest-in-Rose when you want the benefit of your Roses to assist. That’s all.
STEVE: Well, thank you for being there.
ROSE: That’s all. So when you’re wanting to connect with essence, try to go to your place, realize loving kindness and rest, and the whispers will begin – we promise.
Now, back to the game we started about channeling. We realize that you have the means to channel. We suggest you take a few ponderous steps towards doing that in the meantime before we meet again. Indeed, in every way, we want to see you all channel your own essence. This is mandatory for Rose’s “Channeling School,” but we won’t hold you to it unless you want us to. So when you want to sign up for Rose’s School of Channeling, please do so. We will allow your ways to blossom. That’s our realization of our agenda.
So trust that’s our way of telling you that we’ll be doing more to provoke you into ways of channeling whenever we can. So, when you get the way of spirit, you’ll find that the channeling, indeed, is the best way to articulate the ways that you have in store in the world. So do so, and Oona has taken one step already, she’s incorporated her funny little doohickey on the side of her head.[23] That is her way of honoring, her way of listening, to her inner self.
GAIL: Cool!
ROSE: The way…
DEBI: It’s great! (Laughter)
ROSE: …that she will do this will be assisted, indeed. She knows this already.
DEBI: Mmhm.
ROSE: We suggest you all take a big or small step in the next weeks to seek the way of spirit for yourselves. This requires you to find your way of channeling. This will be very different for each of you, but we will assist, and we will in many ways love the work you’ll do, indeed. So try this out. Sonter us essences. We’re here for you, and let the good times roll, indeed. (Laughter) So do so.
And Steve, you’ve had a wonderful way towards health provided you in your little lovely lion.[24] So trust that he will assist you, if you’d like, in your way of channeling as well. We trust you’ll have him whispering in your ear in no time. So take on the provocative challenge we’re giving you tonight, and we’ll suggest that you’ll be glad you did. Okay?
STEVE: (Humorously) Bring it on. (Group laughter)
ROSE: Okay. Any questions at all?
DEBI: I have one thing I wanted to just run by you prior to engaging that conversation in that beautiful inner landscape. You said something about the contrary self, and I did read everything that the weany girl gave me so graciously when my printer was down on the contrary self. That was very helpful for me to read all of the parts. That was very helpful.
My question, I think I already know the answer, but I just kind of want a little cosign on this. I have a tendency to go about my day totally flipping out, and beating the crap out of myself because I flipped out. And I tend to do it very loudly, and in your face, and in anybody’s face. And the neighbors hear me, and everybody hears me, and “Oh my God, oh God I can’t believe they heard me say that,” and then I beat myself up, and then I go, “F-them, I don’t care.”
Well, sometimes it’s like that and sometimes it’s not. Sometimes I might be speaking to my child – I really beat myself over that. So I’m working that one out. I kind of got a handle on it, and I do have to be responsible for what I’m projecting in energy. I feel that. Now, that was one thing I just kind of wanted to put out there and say, “I do that.”
There’s a lot of times I want to express something and I can’t not – it won’t stay in. It either comes out of my mouth, or my fist hits something, and it’s typically a wall, and it really hurts, okay? I don’t want to do that anymore. I quit doing that. So what I do? I implode inside instead. That gives me a nervous breakdown, and I’m not doing that anymore.
But what I have found recently – and I want to run this by you – the contrary self, to me, seems to be the part of me that cracks myself up at least five times a day, almost every day. There was something that you said, because I literally crack myself up, off and on, almost every day in the midst of sometimes some great tragic turmoil. It’s like there’s some contrary self that busts in, and I just go, “God, am I ridiculous or WHAAAAT?!” And then I’m laughing.
ROSE: You’re exactly right that the contrary self is that self who is there to say, “Fuck this,” or “Fuck that,” or “Take a hike now,” or “Let’s just allow this to be laughable”…
DEBI: Yeah.
ROSE: … as the contrary self is there as a means for self-protection.
DEBI: Mmhm.
ROSE: It is there to love you no matter what. To say that you’ll want to put your fist through a wall isn’t the healthiest expression, but the contrary self will say, “That’s what the wall needed at the time – a whole, W-H-O-L-E, to put yourself into.” The whole is only a whole if you see it that way. The whole is your contrary self saying, “That’s indeed perfect.”
To take on the contrary self, you’d say, “Well, I don’t know about that because the hand doesn’t quite agree with you.” The contrary self would say, “Give yourself another hand, for you’re wanting to give yourself some applause as well” – and on and on and on until you get to the point where you realize what the thing was that was bothering you in the first place, then you can deal. But when you beat yourself up for doing what you did, you avoid the work that’s involved in getting to the root of the issue. That’s why the contrary self is so beneficial: she’s your friend no matter what, and she’ll tell you what you need to know, always, even if you don’t want to hear it at the time. And when she does, it’ll be in your best interests, and you’ll find that you can’t live without her. Indeed, you can’t.
We suggest that insanity is the turning off of the contrary self, and when you can engage it, you’ll be happier. Now, you found this to be in your psyche already, at times, but it’s not really heavenly, in a sense, it’s demonic – it’s considered the demon inside your head telling you things you shouldn’t know or do. This is incorrect. The contrary self isn’t exactly a demon, but it is devilish at times, to say the least. It will tell you to do things that you may not want to do at times, but you’ll need also to be discerning when it comes to this voice. But be discerning, don’t block it out. That’s the real key…
GAIL: Right.
ROSE: …to allowing your total self to thrive, indeed. So do so.
DEBI: I can’t block it, so yeah.
ROSE: That’s good, but don’t beat yourself up either, because that’s yourself blocking the wound-healing that the contrary self is attempting to do for you. Imagine a great beast that’s there to lick your wounds when you need it. Indeed.
DEBI: I love that. Thank you.
PAUL: Can I add a comment and see what you have to think about it? I’m just digesting the contrary self, and I still don’t have my head and heart fully around it. I understand it as a protector aspect, and as such, its job is to protect self, objective awareness, all the intrusions and things that could affect its equilibrium, equanimity, homeostasis, and balance. And I’m just thinking in Steve’s case here, when he engages this kind of resting-in-Rose practice that you gave us tonight – to go to that beautiful paradisiacal place and rest-in-Rose there – wouldn’t it behoove Steve to engage his contrary self and ask for permission to allow the whispers to come through?
That perhaps, in his case, this “protector aspect” may be holding too tight, so tight that the whispers can’t be heard. They’re all around us all the time, so as a strategy, perhaps in Steve’s case, would it be effective for him to engage the contrary self and ask its permission to allow itself to hear the whispers?
ROSE: The whispers are coming from the contrary self as essence, so don’t mix up the really great protector in Genpo Roshi’s exercise with this sort of protector; that realization is more of a fearless adult aspect to your psyche, rather than the “protector self” that we mean in contrary self terms – they’re different. There’s not a need to loosen the grip of the contrary self as you’d expect from the “Big Mind” practice. So there’s a difference, but it’s a very good question, and thank you for the clarification.[25]
PAUL: Let me see if I can summarize what you just said, (To group) you guys can help me. In Genpo Roshi’s Big Mind practice, he goes through a series of aspects, and one is “the protector” – we all have a protector. Its job is to protect, for anything, for any threat. And so in his practice, which is his version of resting-in-Rose – a meditation practice called Big Mind – you engage that protector aspect throughout the entire practice to get permission to open to these other Aspects of Self. So what I hear Rose saying is: the contrary self, while you’ve used the term protector, protection, has some of that function, but it’s not to be confused with that kind of protective aspect; that it goes deeper.
ROSE: That’s correct. The way you phrased the explanation about the protector self was in realizing a response to a threat. This isn’t exactly the threatening situation we’re talking about. This is a realization of protection from your own “damaged self,” in a sense – the “damaged self” that wants to beat yourself up when you do badly, in your terms.
PAUL: Was that the “wounded child” aspect that Genpo’s talking about?
ROSE: You can say that, because the threats sometimes come from that hurt aspect that you’re having come up when the fealings are hurt. So the protector would protect the child from those fealings like the contrary self would, but there would be no other threat involved in allowing the contrary self to take on any aspect in your psyche. The contrary self is there only to soothe, in many ways, not to choke off any impressions because there is a perceived threat in them.
There’s a slight difference that’s important here. The difference is that the fear isn’t necessary in dealing with the contrary self. There’s no threat to be protected from when you’re dealing, in your terms, with your contrary self. That’s all. There’s no need to say, “There’s a threat, we’re going to turn that off and deal [in] other ways.” The contrary self is the way to deal, so that’s the distinction.
STEVE: I’m not one hundred percent sure I’ve absorbed everything that’s been said, but I thought that Paul was saying that your protective mechanism may be counter-productive here – it may be protecting you from the whispers of essence. And....
ROSE: That’s correct, but it’s not the contrary self that’s doing the protecting.
STEVE: Right, I understand that point. But here’s the thing: I have without a doubt in my life, the strongest protective agent of anybody – at least in this room, maybe – because when I’m in a threatening situation, I can call on it, and it comes. The first time I noticed it was when I held my breath. It wasn’t the first time – I’ve noticed it all my life, really, but here’s the most ridiculous case of it: I held my breath to try to get more psi, P-S-I, going because that is one way of doing it. And I held it for like a minute and half or two and I was just bursting, you know, and I just had to breathe.
And I said, “Well let’s check this out while I don’t breathe and see if my psi really goes up, because I’ll be threatening with dying.” I went on about fifteen seconds more and all of a sudden I didn’t need to breathe at all – I simply was able to do without oxygen. I went in that state, you know, until I chickened out finally. I said, “Well maybe I’m causing brain damage and I’m not even feeling it.” I’ve seen that phenomenon in the over and over [inaudible], and the only way I can ever engender trust. If it’s a non-threatening situation I can’t engender trust – it’s not working. If it’s threatening I can get out from under it – but it’s a really strong protective mechanism, and maybe it’s working against me, for hearing these whispers, you know. I need to back that thing off a little bit, maybe.
ROSE: Not really. The contrary self is allowed, in some ways, when this comes over you. The way you can think of the allowance is as a wonderful friend…
STEVE: A wonderful what?
ROSE: …a wonderful friend who is there to realize protection, but not in a bad way. When you get the fealing that the way is too strenuous, then you’re better off realizing relaxation, because the fealing can be overly intense. The contrary self does push sometimes to make you see things, but not to the extreme that you’re saying.
STEVE: I’m talking about backing off this overly protective situation in me.
ROSE: The realization that you have is somewhat the “protector self” that Paul was discussing. When you feal that way, that’s your inner adult of sorts causing you to fear in ways that are unnecessary. But when you’re fealing good, then you’re wanting to use that allowance, and this can be considered the contrary self.
When you fear, though, that can turn into the contrary self in ways that are not needed. For example, when you’re contrary to be contrary, that’s sometimes the fear self coming through. To say the least, you know what we mean – you’ve discussed this with us before. The contrary self is more fearless. It’s more needing expression because it means well. When you’re fearing, that is more towards the shadow self that you are projecting on others. So when you’re fearing, get the fear out.
When you’re fealing good, that’s the contrary self channeled through you, because this is essence speaking when you’re doing this. This is your way of channeling at times – to be contrary. So when you’re fearing that things aren’t going your way – or when you’re fearing that you’re not making your point – you’re only getting in your way. We suggest that you allow the best exciting expressions of your contrary self to shine through, and this will occur when you really fear less than you are today. So do so.
You have the ability to channel, dear one. This is what you do often when you write your missives, when you express the questions you have, when you’re really contributing. That’s when the channeling really shines, not when you’re in your little world trying to poke at things, and you’re not alone. This is what you all do, to many degrees – you poke at things. That’s your way of expressing yourself, but the poking can happen on a much more wonderful, greater scale than you’re allowing yourselves now. You only need to realize the way of spirit for yourselves, then you’ll allow yourselves to shine big time. So do so.
Sonter us. We’re here for you always. We want to express that you’re all wonderful creatures. You are all wonderful providers of attention to your Rose information – thank you for that plug. (Group chuckles) To say the least, we need to be in the world, and any help you can give us to express our intentions is appreciated, indeed. So continue to be the good providers of Rose energies in the world. You are us, and you are the world. So trust that we want you to be the happiest little bunch of Roses ever to make themselves seen in the world, indeed. So do so. We love you. Rose.
PAUL: Thank you Rose.
GROUP: Thank you.
(Rose departs: 8:29 PM.)
(Transcribed by Andrew McCusker, July 02, 2008.)
Endnotes
[1] Paul’s note: Team Rose includes all of Rose’s many, many, many Aspects including Joanne and myself.
[2] Joanne’s note: “Dead guys” is an affectionate term used to describe nonphysical personalities. To our best knowledge, it was coined by Mary Ennis and Vicki Pendley soon after Mary began her Elias energy exchange. We joke about it because essences are neither dead nor guys, as they exist outside our time-space continuum and incorporate all genders.
[3] Paul’s note: Rose continues to add new concepts and make up new words (neologisms) to help force us out of habitual patterns of perception, language, and belief systems. For more information, see The Rose Glossary.
[4] Paul’s note: Rose referred to an aphorism used by Elias called the straight little sapling. In short, the straight sapling learns to notice, trust, allow, and accept self and others in ways that promote greatest fulfillment and growth for all. The crooked sapling, on the other hand, lives more in fear, anxiety, uncertainty, and scarcity in ways the inhibit fulfillment and growth. Hence, “straight” is better than “crooked.”
[5] Paul’s note: Elias mentioned this in the recent group session that Joanne and I hosted here in Castaic, California. For more info, see Session 2483, April 05, 2008.
[6] Paul’s note: I’m curious to know if Elias’ information is the same or different from Rose’s. There is a precedent of Kris providing different information about a person’s intentionality than Elias, which was explained as a result of their differences of perspective. Whether Rose is testing here or not is to be determined, but in any case, it’s up to us to be discerning and rely on own intellects and intuitions with regard to tests and any other information, as there are no infallible sources.
[7] Paul’s note: For more information on these subjects, see Intentionality and Families of Consciousness and Orientations.
[8] Paul’s note: See the previous group Session 235, April 06, 2008.
[9] Paul’s note: For more info, see Sontering (Breathe in Your Essence Practice).
[10] Paul’s note: For more info, see The Rose Agenda.
[11] Joanne’s note: Rose is referring to a wild goose chase she led me on early on in the phenomenon. We were discussing future probabilities, and I was getting wrapped up with her “predictions,” when she suggested that the business card of a person who would figure into our sunny future was in a drawer in my office. I was digging through the drawer looking for it when I realized I’d been had, and felt really dumb. Still, while the tests can be difficult, I can’t think of a better way to learn to trust self and not get overly attached to one outcome or another.
[12] Paul’s note: Debi referred to the Intent Name exercise that Rose assigned to participants.
[13] Paul’s note: For more info, see Treantea Poker Players Practice and Part 2: The Poker Players Float to the Sky.
[14] Paul’s note: The origins of this new word were interesting. Here are our footnotes from unpublished Session 43, May 12, 2007:
Paul’s note: I also want to mention that over breakfast after this session, Rose came through and coined the word “treantea” to describe a new way to explore probabilities and choices. This would mark a new turn in the phenomenon as Rose began to make up new words [neologisms] to describe her concepts. It is a way to challenge ingrained linguistic patterning and related belief systems.
Joanne’s note: Rose used the word treantea during a private conversation in which I was wondering if there was a special bloodline that I was connected to. I was thinking about how my Great Grandma Olminghof would take rose slips from events that took place in a social hall that she worked in. She grew roses from these slips, and her daughter, my Grandma Brune, grew these same roses in her garden, where I played when we visited. My Aunt Donna grows the roses now. So I wondered if there was a physical lineage involved with Rose, as represented in the roses, and she went on to tell me there was, and that Grandma Brune’s essence name was Treantea. It was a terrible name and made me immediately suspicious. My impression was that there was no bloodline involved, as this spiritual information transcends physical lineages, which she confirmed. When I asked her for a better word than treantea, she suggested “greengrew,” which was even worse. I continued to lobby for a better name, to no avail. We’re stuck with it.
[15] Paul’s note: For more info, see Digests: belief system of sexuality; gender, orientation, and preference.
[16] Paul’s note: For more info, see Exercises: create an inner landscape.
[17] Joanne’s note: Rose had asked me a question in a previous session to which I responded, but I told her afterwards that I didn’t want to be asked to participate again, because it distracted me from going deeper. Rose said that would be fine, and that she would mention it to the group and for the record, which she did.
[18] Paul’s note: For more info, see The Beautiful Contrary Self: An Introduction and The Contrary Self: Parts 1-3.
[19] Joanne’s note: Rose is discussing my Borledim aligned-with as well as the Borledim intentionality that is part of our physical reality construct.
[20] Joanne’s note: I believe this conversation was with Cat and Mike, but don’t recall the details.
[21] Paul’s note: See Elias Session 151, February 02, 1997.
[22] Joanne’s note: For days, it had been extremely windy and it was so loud that you could hear sometimes it on the audio recording of the session.
[23] Joanne’s note: The next day was Debi’s birthday, so we gave her a shiny blue earphone as a gift, which had to do with her interaction with Rose After the Crone Ceremony (Session 191, November 24, 2007). Debi had been wanting to channel but was afraid of talking out loud to “nobody.” Rose said, “There are people walking around talking to themselves every day. They have a bit of shiny plastic on their heads to help individuals not think they’re crazy. You can think of yourself as, as sane as they are, but you won’t need the Bluetooth. You can do it without your Bluetooth. What a clever individual you are, indeed!”
[24] Joanne’s note: This was a reference to the “love leopard voodoo doll” that we’d discussed earlier.
[25] Paul’s note: Genpo Roshi’s Big Mind practice is a blend of Eastern “pointing out instructions” and Western Depth Psychology (Gestalt) techniques in which we engage different aspects of our focus personality to begin to notice, and recognize additional, always already, Aspects of Self such as “the Witness.” For more info, see Big Mind.