“Team Up With Essence”

“Stock Market & Anti-Trust Interests”

“Self is Like Nested Russian Dolls”

“Trust is a Very Big Steamroller”

Session 299 (Group/Dinner & A Dead Gal)

Saturday, October 11, 2008

Participants: Joanne (Tyl), Paul (Caroll), Caryn, George, Joyce (Rosalie), Steve, Mike, Cat, Mary (Geordan), Marcos, Catherine, Christoph, Nardine (Daisy), and Rumi the cat.

(Rose Arrives: 4:37 PM. Arrival time 33 seconds.)

ROSE: There have been some rumors about our devices being a bit too difficult to understand. This comes from individuals who invent time zones, dear ones. So we don’t think our ways are overly difficult, compared to those things. (Humorously)

So we’ll begin first by saying welcome to all of you beautiful individuals. We have a very big event planned for this evening, because you know we have more to us than meets the eye. You can say we are inventing the things that weigh into your experiences, also. So do notice things around you this evening, so as to elicit in your interesting experiences the things that try to get your attention, dear ones.

We want to assure you we won’t spook you overly much. But we do have ways of getting your attention in spirit ways. So do take in your beautiful surroundings so as to allow them to say things to you, even if you don’t want to hear them at all times. They want to express the things you need to know. They love you, always. So don’t wrong on yourselves if you fear them, that’s okay too.

You need to get through your fears at times, so as to allow the beautiful creatures in your every expression to allow themselves to say things sometimes. So don’t fear them. Try to allow them only, so as to get your beautiful friends in spirit to help you through your days. Okay, dear ones?

Now we only want to add that, sometimes, they may startle you. They may find ways to get your noticing. But there’s no reason at all to allow them to scare you. They’re there to allow your understanding of All-That-Is, because All-That-Is is very, very wide, and very, very loving. Sometimes you can say that the fears you have help you to open. They help you to understand what you need to allow into your days. So do so.

And we’ll allow your fearful questions now, that is, only if they relate to fears. We do know you don’t fear us overly much, dear ones. We do know that you need to sometimes fear the unknown, but look how beautifully you’ve allowed your Roses to enter your days. So under these conditions, is it so very different to allow your invisible friends to come out and play with you from time to time? Not at all.

So do continue your beautiful expressions this evening, and we’ll allow your questions, dear ones.

MARY: Rose, it’s Mary.

ROSE: Yes, Mary.

MARY: I have something that, since yesterday, I’ve been dying to talk to you about (Laughing) because I woke up in the morning feeling really fearful. And I had to go to work, and I decided that, damn it, I was going to work it out before I left. (Chuckles) And I lay down, and I kind of walked myself through my fears.

A lot of it was about money and various things, and it came down to coming up with this process where I actually took the part of me that was really afraid, and I gave her other things to do. I gave her things that she could worry about, and that would actually be helpful to my whole being, my whole life. And it was really interesting, and liberating, and fun. And it lasted all day, like, it lasted and it worked, all day. And I thought, you must be there with me, helping me with it.

ROSE: We’re always there, dear one. But to say that you did a fine, wonderful job with this is an understatement. The thing you did was what we want to say is what you may all wish to do in allowing yourselves to thrive, in every way. The fearful self is only your unknowing self that wants to help you, but doesn’t quite do so in ways that do help you. For the fearful self only wants to express the things the fearful self knows, and does not allow herself, or himself, to be able to move into areas that it wants be in.

So the fearful self only relies on ego, in some regards. The ego self only wants to do the things you’ve been used to doing all along. The ego self wants to play only the same games it’s always played, in a sense. So what to do about that fearful self who wants to play the same games? You let her play the same games. You let her do the things she needs to do. Then you allow her to fear only the things that she can control. The things she can control are the things you need to allow into your thinking, in some ways.

The things you can’t control really want to not be in your purview. They are things that you can trust essence to work out sometimes. Sometimes you cannot know what you can control. These things, in some ways, require you to allow yourself to get information from essence about whether or not you can control those things. So they are wanting only your best expressions to enter into the picture, so as to control them or not control them.

So to control them, you can express to yourselves that your measure of quality of how you control things is important. This is somewhat difficult to explain, but we’ll say that the ego self wants to control more than it can, always. This requires your discernment, to allow yourself to know what can be in your control, and what can’t be. This is to say that there are distinctions in your perception in regard to if you’re speaking as essence or if you’re speaking as focus self. There are differences as to what you, as essence, can control, in opposition to, or in collaboration with, how your ego self can also control things. These are very different things at times. But to team up with your essence self is what we’re suggesting here.

The essence self, in some ways, will help you move into areas that you can realize how you can let go of things in your purview that you can’t control, turning things over to essence, in a sense, to take care of as well as to control the things you can’t. Controlling things, in some ways, is not the point either. That’s why this is sometimes difficult to explain. Controlling things isn’t always the answer. But sometimes you’re wanting to do so, because you want to influence outcomes.

So to say that you need to control is sometimes the thing to do. Sometimes it is not the thing to do. But in any case, there are things that you can’t control that essence can. So don’t wrong on yourselves, always, if there are things that you can’t control, but know that essence can. So do let them. Let essence take control of things that are outside yours, indeed. Then allow your controlling self to abide by the rules you may set forth for them, to allow them to thrive in their ways that are most healthy for them.

For example, you may not want to allow the controlling self to always have the say in the matter. Sometimes you need to say, “Hey, controlling self, there’s your key to helping us, not this other thing over there.” You can say, “Hey, don’t wrong on me for not wanting to control that. That’s your job, controlling self.” So do take on the controlling self in ways that help you, but not to imply that she needs to control you, either. This is very important. The way you went about doing this, Mary, was inventive, as well as extraordinary. In your ways of allowing her to thrive, you helped yourself in ways that fealt[1] very wonderful, didn’t it?

MARY: Yeah, it felt great! (Chuckles) I let her worry about things that will… You know, rather than worry about how we’re going to get the money, I told her that when we do get the money, she can worry about what banks we put it in, and then she can worry about furniture choices, and what kind of sheets to get for the bed. That I’ll give her all sorts of things that she can do, that she can occupy herself with now, that are really fun to think about. And kind of just not worry about the rest of it.

ROSE: That’s exactly the right way to manage her. We mean manage her, in every way too, because you did exactly that. You gave her a set of tools, as well as a set of duties, in order to allow her to meet your expectations while allowing her to also have creative ideas, also. Didn’t you?

MARY: Yes!

ROSE: You allowed, in some ways, your controlling self to have some fun! What a beautiful thing to do for her. She needs to have fun, doesn’t she? She deserves that. She works very hard (Mary chuckling) for you, indeed.

MARY: (Chuckling) That she does. Thank you.

ROSE: You’re very welcome. That is a very wonderful thing to bring up this evening, and we suggest you continue to nurture her in every way, for she dearly loves you, also. So do love her back and try to, in every way, let her continue to thrive, dear one.

MARY: I will, thank you.

PAUL: Steve has a question. But before he asks, I just have to say there’s an amazing synchronicity. Steve walks in and says, “I’ve got the key, you just give up!” And I chuckled and said, “Ah, surrendering!” You know that action of surrendering to that which you can’t control. So anyway, based on what Mary just said, and Rose’s answer, that’s just a preamble. I don’t know if you’re going to ask or talk about that Steve, I just wanted to say that.

STEVE: No, I just wanted to say I knew that as I walked up the steps.

ROSE: (Chuckling) You did. (Paul chuckles, too)

STEVE: Okay now. Rose, Steve Lord here. The world is engulfed in a panic right now, the likes of which we haven’t seen since the great depression. The stock market in the U.S. went down 25% in the last eight days, at one point Friday. There’s no credit, no lending going on, everything’s frozen, everybody doesn’t trust, the banks don’t trust each other. Nobody trusts anybody to pay them back. The fear is enormous. People are bailing out at any low price that you can imagine, and we don’t know where the bottom is. We don’t know when it’s going to stop.

Are you able to perceive current probabilities – I’m not asking you to predict the future – but are the current probabilities such that this is going to end soon? Or is it more likely that it’ll keep going down?

ROSE: What question to take on first, dear one? You have asked many. We’ll begin with the bottom question. There is not any bottom, in some respects, except the ones you chreate.[2] So the bottom could be your own allowing of fearfulness in regard to how you respond to the fear that you have incurred in your world. In your terms, you don’t need to fear much at all, if you choose not to. We’ll allow your questions about that in a moment.

But let us continue for a moment with your other questions. The way you can think of the current scandalous behaviors of the so-called stock market – we mean so-called in the respect that there is not much stock in it these days in realizing trust of that market – that is, the trust issue is the core of the matter. There is very little trust between individuals these days. That’s the issue: trust.

The trust that has been built into the stock market is, indeed, very broadly based. It requires you to trust the leaders who institute the rules. It makes you need to trust the lenders – so-called lenders – these days, to trust the individuals who allow themselves to get money from them, it means trusting the individuals to pay the monies back, it makes you need to trust that the allowances of lending are such that provide liquidity between the institutions. So there are many individual factors involved in allowing the systems to thrive. But they all rely on trust.

Now what do you think has to do with trust in ways that make you understand that there is also “anti-trust” involved? You do know, we think, what we mean. Anti-trust is what form in this market?

STEVE: I don’t understand the question from you. Could you re-phrase it?

ROSE: The trustworthiness is clear, correct? That you need some trust between individuals involved in the market.

STEVE: Yeah, we don’t trust the government to fix it. Each bank doesn’t trust getting their money back from another bank because they don’t know if the bank’s going to be there tomorrow, they may go bankrupt. This is worldwide. So now, what’s your question to me?

ROSE: The anti-trust appears in what form in your realization of your market? In other words, there are factors who don’t trust, they are not supposed to trust, correct? They are rules that you have to ensure trust. But these rules have what? They’ve been substituted for anti-trust – there is not trust, in some regards – in regard to how your banks lend money, for example.

There are realizations of anti-trust in the system. That’s the trouble here: that these realizations of anti-trust are what’s getting in the way. We mean there are individuals who do not trust anyone, right? They trust only the market to make them rich. They don’t trust self, they don’t trust spirit, they don’t trust individuals who aren’t associated in ways that are the same. In other words: they are very interested in anti-trust.

Do you know the reasons the market held firm as long as it did? The “trusty” individuals were in charge, then there was a shift that occurred when the anti-trusty individuals held court. They took over the market. The forces of evil (Jo chuckles), you might say – we’re joking – but we’re clearly making a very moral distinction here between the individuals who trusted others and the ones who did not. So who, in your terms, are winning now?

STEVE: Well I cheated, because I had a dream that the stock I own called Microsoft was going to be at twenty-eight some time in the next few months, and now it’s at twenty-one. So I trust, so I’m one of the good guys.

ROSE: That’s correct. When are you going to clue everyone else into your beautiful dreams about the stock market, dear one? (Laughter) Indeed, you have a gift. So do continue, dear Steve.

STEVE: Continue what?

ROSE: Continue.

STEVE: Well I had three other dreams that came exactly true almost to the penny about future stock prices. Maybe you would have a similar ability to take a look at the stock market a few months from now, and tell me whether I’m right or wrong.

ROSE: (Humorously) We can, but we are not allowed. (Paul chuckles)

STEVE: Not allowed.

ROSE: That’s correct. The way you can think of trust is how you learned how to realize the ways of going about your business in the market. These are very excellent ways to trust yourself to work in the system for your benefit. This is how you can learn to predict the future also. There are myriad ways that the stock market provides value for individuals, but in this case, the market didn’t allow the trusty individuals to win this time.

It was a very big scheme that individuals had to bring down the level of trust between individuals. They won, in this case. They won the ability to win the market race so as to make things more allowing of understanding between individuals who were involved. There are things going on that are beautifully working in ways that you don’t realize yet. There is no reason to believe that the market will totally crash. In your words, you said that there was a twenty-five percent drop, but you didn’t mention the other seventy-five percent that was still there. You didn’t mention that there are lenders who are lending monies, you didn’t mention that there are borrowers who are attending to their own crises, as well as getting the money they need.

There are many things going right now that you aren’t really attending to, in some respects. So don’t wrong on yourselves for fearing the worst, in some ways. But do take on the provision of trust when you can in order to see how sometimes things go in ways that you can’t really control. This is a very excellent example of that, how this is something you can’t control. You can control your savings, you can control how you respond to the situation, but you can’t control the market, at this point. That’s for essence to do.

Now what to do about that? Do you talk to essence to tell it to make your Microsoft stock go up? You could, you know, but sometimes the thing to do is say – when you fear things – to say, “I want to not fear so much, and I also want to help the world in some ways that I don’t know how yet. So please help the world and please help my value for my stock portfolio also.”

There’s nothing wrong with this at all. But to say that you can fix the market is a very not-so-accurate statement, except if by you, you mean essence self, not focus self. Okay?

STEVE: When you say essence, are you speaking about “big daddy in the sky” essence from which I am a focus of attention of? Or are you speaking of my own subjective that chats with “big daddy” essence from time to time – it might be chatting with you right now?

ROSE: You’re always essence, in every way, in spite of how you sometimes need to think of your focus self. So you’re correct that you talk to “big daddy in the sky,” but “big daddy” is in you always, so you don’t need to speak very loudly in order to speak to “big daddy.” He is you, always.

STEVE: When you say essence in the last two answers, are you referring to our subjective, as Elias calls it? Are you referring to the huge consciousness that’s not even associated with this experience here in particular that’s going to set us down and let us ride, you know? Are you speaking of that essence, or of our subjective?

ROSE: You know better than to ask us that question, dear one. We know you know Elias better than that. You know you’re essence, right?

STEVE: Well he uses the term in both senses and you never exactly know when the person says essence, which they’re referring to.

ROSE: You’re correct. And that’s why we sometimes use the terms essence to describe that big thing you talked about just now, in relation to essence-like – how you’re always essence, but sometimes you realize how you can be more like essence. So there are some very difficult concepts to describe, because you’re correct that essence is you, but also beyond you, in some respects. But you can trust that your wanting to allow yourself to talk to essence is talking to Self.

The Elias teachings are all about trying to help you to connect more with – as well as identify with – essence, in every way, that’s your job on your way of spirit. We have ways of getting you into this. Also, Rose does build on Elias’ information, but to say that you’re not essence is not correct, dear one, you are.

STEVE: No, I understand that, even my conscious mind is essence. But that still doesn’t tell me when you’re using the word essence which aspect of it you’re referring to, because I’m led to believe by Elias that my subjective essence is associated with this focus of mine and has certain tasks, one of which is to instruct the body consciousness. And therefore, my leg gets broken, it’s the instigator of subjective, and that all of our subjective, of our six billion, hatched this plot to have the “shift.”

And Elias has a passage where the “big daddy” essence didn’t choose our intent – our subjective did – didn’t really get that involved in our life docket, kind of left it up to us, including our subjective and objective awareness’. Now have I misstated anything in that diatribe?

ROSE: (Jo chuckles) You did only in him, you referred to him in your diatribe, dear one, him is you also. We want to say that you’re correct, that sometimes you can think you are only you as Steve, but you are him also. We want to allow you to let this sink in. It’s the same, in some respects, as Mary’s assertion about her controlling self. She has transcended and included her.

STEVE: Who did what?

ROSE: Transcended and included her controlling self who is not as essence-like as her self is in everyday life. You can think of self as a self that is nested together – the dolls of Russian folklore are a good metaphor for this – your self is nested, each self including the past selves, as well as expressing a knowledge of the ability to connect with future selves, as well as essence selves.

So you’re correct to question that, but to say that you’re not him is not correct. You’re only providing yourself a nuanced view of self that is not exactly the thing you need to do. You can try to think of Steve as a doll that is nested in a greater doll that is totally essence. Then realize that your past selves are there to inform you also. So you’re greater than you’re realizing now with your current argument about how your essence self is not you, it is you. We just want to allow you to think of that this way, so you can think of yourself in more accurate terms, that’s all, dear one.

Do continue with your questions if you’d like.

STEVE: That’ll do it.

PAUL: I have a comment I’d like to make. This is Paul speaking. My understanding of Elias – so this is the Elias of Paul, not Elias speaking – is that subjective self and essence are ontologically equivalent, more or less. So when Rose talks about essence, it is the same thing as when Elias is talking about subjective self, subjective awareness versus objective.

STEVE: Not “big daddy in the sky”?

PAUL: Elias keeps it real simple. The “big daddy in the sky,” then, trails out as subjective self, and I don’t understand – there’s no “big daddy in the sky” that I have ever heard Elias speak of.

STEVE: No, no, no, the one that has a million other focuses in the fire.

PAUL: Let me just continue then. We know from Seth – see we’re privy to all this wonderful information – I’m just throwing some stuff out there, because Rose might be baiting me or testing me with this as well. Seth talked about life clouds – this is something wider than essence – a progenitor type of pyramid gestalt energy that Seth also talked about, that is wider than essence. He calls it All-That-Is as well. So there’s focus, there’s essence, there’s pyramid energy gestalt. There’s a third layer of Self.

Now Elias does not harp on that layer of self, because it really (Humorously) doesn’t matter, being disconnected, that first subjective layer is really the most practical thing for us. Kris refers to clans and clusters of consciousness as similar to these life clouds, okay? Elias refers to them as pools of consciousness. So ontologically those would be what I would call “big daddy in the sky,” a magnificent primordial gestalt consciousness.

So essence or subjective self, as we know it, is the thing to concentrate on. Take it back to the financial market, and Mary’s fear, and what not – dealing with essence – what we control and what we don’t control. Rose used that verb, control – we also use the word create, form, make your reality, controlling reality, creating reality – and I like that she brought up the nested Russian dolls. So you take this gestalt – I mean we’re all together in it – you know we have this appearance of separateness here in this present format which is quite delightful, but we’re really all part of this nested Self.

And Rose is trying to hint at, in her own way, how these things may or may not play out. So when she makes a statement like – that I captured in my notes – essence will control the stock market, not you, I don’t know what that means, really, in practical terms. But it made you ask the question that you did then because it was confusing; which layer, what are you talking about?

So I think for practical purposes – and I’ll turn it over to Rose – for practical purposes then, what we concentrate with our fear, in this emotion wave of Elias’ among others, is with subjective self and essence. Don’t worry about “big daddy in the sky,” it’s all good, it’s all “always already,” “just this.”

GEORGE: You know when you said you surrendered? Well you surrendered to essence, “big daddy” essence.

STEVE: So you don’t think we can control, or we can influence our subjective?

ROSE: We are your essences. We control your essence selves, ontologically speaking. We control the market. We control all things that you know. We control your thoughts at times, also. But not to say that we control all your thoughts, we do whisper in your ear from time to time. We do chreate all your reality, essence does. So don’t worry about things being one way or another. Your essence selves always know what you need, really need. Not just the things you think you need. Essence knows well what you need, because you are essence also.

Now we’ll say that the market has many factors to the way it goes about chreating itself. It has many built-in factors that were, in many ways, started in the days of your becoming truly marketing, in your world. The marketing happened in very ancient times. The market grew from that.

There are historical reasons why the marketplace is the way it is today. But that’s not to say that essence doesn’t control it, the essence selves do control the market. This is not a test – the weany girl has to ask the question. Tome is what we’re talking about. Tome is time plus Om. In every way, your time is timeless. Why you would think that essence doesn’t try to “tome into” the time you have is beyond your comprehension. But things can change, in every way, in a moment.

The things you know can change from time to time, in tome, in timelessness, in formlessness. The world you know is exactly the way essence chreated it, dear ones. So why wrong on yourselves for the way you’ve chreated it? That’s right – you’ve, – you as essence chreated the world you live in. So try to imagine how you’re really essence-like to help you sort through this, because your controlling selves, that Mary has introduced you to, as well as your questioning selves tonight, can’t really know this right away.

You need to tone into (Humorously) – we’re joking a bit, we’re making up words as we go along – tune into the tone-fullness that is your chreation. Your chreation changes in a heartbeat, should you want that next thing to occur. So do try to allow yourselves to complete the picture by allowing yourselves to tone into essence to get the answers you’re looking for. And, by the way, that’s exactly what you’re doing when you speak with Rose, because she’s here to help you realize the things your essence wants you to know. That’s why you’ve chreated Rose, as well as Elias, as well as all your beautiful teachers, indeed.

So do continue with your beautiful questions, dear one. But don’t wrong on yourselves for not completely getting this concept, because you need to tone into essence to really get the picture, okay?

STEVE: Can I ask one more, and then turn it over to the audience?

ROSE: Yes!

STEVE: Ah, you got me a little worried. Now these two Sumafi ghosts, Elias and somebody called Michael Sheree on the Blueflash, are telling us over and over again, that if we trust – another word for that is know ourselves – to do something, it is a hundred percent, sure thing we know without doubt. We trust ourselves enough, in other words, that we will do so.

Like if we have a broken leg or sprained ankle or a chronic illness, that we can trust that we will heal that. That trust alone will influence, I guess you could say that – they probably don’t say it like this, but this’d be the nuts and bolts of it – influence the subjective to heal it yourself. But you’re making it sound like we don’t have any such control. So can you speak to that?

PAUL: And let me just play off of that, too. Because Elias and Seth, in particular, have worked really hard to empower poor little outer ego, you know, you create your own reality, you form your reality. Elias hammers that over and over again. What are you choosing and doing in the now? What are you noticing that you’re choosing and doing? And empowering objective awareness, or ego with the focus self. And then Rose comes along – Miss Contrarian – and says, “Essence controls everything.” And poor George is rolling his eyes, saying, “Alright, I give up! Fuck it, fuck it all, it’s all bullshit. I give up, (Group chuckling) I don’t know what to make out of this contradictory stuff.”

NARDINE: Hang in there! (Chuckling)

PAUL: So I’m just tagging onto what Steve just said. So there.

GEORGE: Well no, actually the fearful part here, Steve, is this. Since you talk about fear, the fearful thing is that, like Rose says, “Essence will provide what you need.” Or what I need. And our way of thinking is, if I provide something you need in our way of thinking something positive. But essence doesn’t give a shit. It might give you some heartache, it might give you some headaches, it might give you pain. Because essence thinks that’s what you need for it to experience.

STEVE: I sit there, and I read Elias…

GEORGE: No, did you hear what I said?

STEVE: I did…

GEORGE: So in the end, you missed last week’s meeting, and it’s not in transcripts yet, where Rose says, “Hey, essence provides you the strings to chreate your reality.” So in a way, there’s a certain thing that you’re gonna have to deal with, from essence point of view. So your path is kind of like already there. So the essence says, “Look, Steve, you got like three choices here, so pick one of them.” You know, and that’s the way it seems to me like it is.

STEVE: Well, there’s a lot of people that say that their philosophy is well… not just accept what comes down the pipeline.

GEORGE: Ask Rose, because I could only confuse you more.

STEVE: This will go into her answer.

GEORGE: You know what you need? You need a good test.

STEVE: Well they say, the people they say, “Well I’m just going to accept what comes, and figure that that’s the way it’s supposed to be.” But you know…

GEORGE: That’s why they say trust and accept, because you’ve got to accept whatever is set up for you. And you got to trust that in the end it’ll work out for you, you being the essence.

STEVE: That’s your point of view, that’s the point of view of many people that contribute to these websites. However, Elias tells Drew, in a session I just read, our friend Drew (George and Steve talking over each other, unclear words). You don’t have to just ah, take it, if you don’t like it, you can change it.

PAUL: And you can have it all. (More exchange talking over one another, words unclear)

GEORGE: But you know what it is? What they are saying is this, “Shit comes in different flavors.” So pick a different flavor.

PAUL: And so does ice cream (Humorously).

GEORGE: Exactly. What I’m trying to say is, if essence wants you to have ice cream, you will have ice cream. But if the essence doesn’t want you to have ice cream, then you’ll have the other side of the [inaudible].

STEVE: But, okay the question on the table is, if I trust enough, is it true that I could have what my conscious mind wants to have, on any issue, anything? And they say there’s no limits. You can change your intent that way. You can not have cerebral palsy. There are no limits to that.

PAUL: I think this is what Rose is getting at. I just have one more layer to this. Since the time of Seth in the 1970’s, and the whole emphasis on the individual, and you create, and empowering the individual, we will talk about mass events and collective. But we will always come back to the individual. What has happened, in a very general way, is that “boomeritis narcissism” has run rampant, in a very general way, to interpret that teaching to say, my objective awareness creates one hundred percent. "I create my reality. I create all.”

So, when you say, you can have it all, you can have anything you want, but it is not objective awareness, or focus, or outer ego, whatever you want to name it, that is creating that one hundred percent. Another way of phrasing it is a question I’ve put out there, “Who is the ‘you’ in ‘you create your own reality’?” How do you define that? And look at what we’re talking about today, objective and subjective, and then we get into this esoteric stuff of clans and life clouds, and other layers, too. And in the nested “transcend yet include” – however you want to think of these nested aspects of the One – are all co-creating together simultaneously.

And I know that’s another trigger for the Eliasian fanatics, since Elias says, “There’s no co-create.” That is an absolute in all cases. And it’s not, it’s a context that Elias is empowering the individual, that you're choosing and doing. Yes, you can heal yourself, you can recover your finances, you can have the love of your life, you can live to be one hundred and fifty. That is plausible. But, when you create that – the you that’s creating that – includes All-That-Is. Okay, I’ve said enough.

GEORGE: But Paul, Rose just said half an hour ago, “We create all of your reality.”

PAUL: I know.

GEORGE: So what it means is, you have a minefield out there (Chuckles with Paul) and if you make it to the other side with your legs intact, you had a good experience. (Chuckling)

PAUL: I refute that, and I do not accept that, at all, that Rose creates all of my reality. (Group talking all at once)

STEVE: There’s one more thing into the mix. We talk to future focuses of people – in the year 2100, 2125 – three different ones, on these websites, and they tell us, and they say we’re in the same dimension you are, we know about the shift, we’re living it now, and it’s complete, and here’s what we can do, folks. We can create food out of thin air, we don’t have to even grow crops. If we want to heal a disease, we do it by intent.

ROSE: You do that already, dear one.

STEVE: What?

ROSE: You do that already, dear one.

STEVE: They mean their veil of separation has been so reduced, they have accepted their beliefs, which is another way that we are told that we can get what we want, not just the trust part, but this other thing about accepting beliefs. And they say they’ve done that, and that allows them, including now linking up with their subjective with their objective, to be able to, just by intent of their consciousness, of their conscious mind that I’m speaking with right now, they can make these choices like falling off a log.

PAUL: So when they get pissed off, do they also talk about making everybody dead, because they get angry at them, too? (Nardine chuckles)

STEVE: Well we know we can’t…

PAUL: We’re talking about outer ego creating at the power of thought, and thought does not create. Thought is not causal. Elias is very clear on that, over and over again. Thought is not causal, so I would also challenge these reports of so-called future focuses creating – true but partial. There’s likely gems coming through, but there’s stuff getting distorted in the translation, too. Our interpretation of what’s coming through. (Folks talking over one another.) It’s a projection of utopianism. (More lively talking, all at once.)

JOYCE: I think the problem is, what they’re trying to say is the difference between mass events and individual events, because we’re not here isolated. Even though it looks like I could walk out the door and not see you again, we’re all connected. Some seem to be more strongly connected, at certain times in their life, than at others.

And what I keep getting is a thumb on a hand, and the thumb has its own view, and its own interests, and its own reality. But there are times that if that hand got caught in a door or something, that thumb would experience something that maybe it had no intent to experience, but has to now deal with it. And how that thumb feels with it. That’s the kind of thing, we are a part of a greater whole, and we’re all connected, and we’re all interdependent.

It’s like the web of life, if we hurt one strand of the web, we’re hurting the entire web. And we’re seeing that now on Gaia, with global warming and everything that’s coming with it. So I think there’s a certain amount that we have responsibility and choice and free will. But I think we also come to the world deciding who we’re going to be, what generation, what country, what type of things we’re going to look at, what race.

And so once that’s in place, that’s going to kind of limit – I’m not going to turn masculine tomorrow, and I’m not going to become six-foot tall tomorrow. I could only chant that I want to for the rest of my life, but I’m not likely in this reality to do that. I have to go to another probable universe, if it was that important to me. I don’t know if that makes any sense, it’s where I’m coming from.

GEORGE: No, but what I think is Steve’s frustration, and possibly mine, and like Drew’s, because I’ve read a lot of his stuff. It just seems that – it’s funny because I never thought I could understand Drew, but I understand him. (Paul and George laughing) No, I mean that in admiration, Drew – this is going to go on tape. But I have a feeling that we think and we see all this information from Seth, Elias, Rose, whatever other avenues, as seeds, and yet all our gardens are still barren. Because we try to plant the seeds and nothing grows.

ROSE: Why is that, dear George?

GEORGE: Well, because, to dear George it seems like (Humorously) many times, essence – I was going to say f’ing essence – is in charge. And George is like, says why…

ROSE: (Firmly) You are essence, George.

GEORGE: Well, ah it is…

ROSE: You keep saying essence is not you. That’s the point: essence is you. When you decine – divinely decide – to try to explain to yourselves who you are, you immediately go into the area that says that you’re not essence, by your very words that you use. You are essence.

The way Seth described essence, in some ways, was the same way we allow our Rose-selves to describe essence. In that, it is your very self, that is deeply in you at times, but is chreating all your reality. When you align – when you allow essence to say the things essence needs to, to you – you do what? You allow. Right? You allow more thoughts into your thinking. You allow more words into your repertoire. You allow more song into your days.

So essence, you might say, is your deepest self. But to say that you chreate your reality, means only your wider self is not accurate either, or your deeper self. The self that chreates your reality is essence self, period.

GEORGE: Exactly.

ROSE: You are essence also. So to describe the reality you have for yourself, in terms that do not include you, as George, is incorrect. You do continually do that.

GEORGE: Well, Rose, if I take you for a drive in my car, right, I’ll be the driver, and you’ll be sitting there in the passenger seat, and I’ll take you wherever I’m driving. So I will be the subjective part of… let’s say you and I were one focus, right? So I’ll be the subjective one making decisions. You might, you might not like the drive or the place we’re gonna arrive, but you have to go along for the ride.

ROSE: We always like the ride. That’s why we offer three strands to you, as we described in the last session. The strands are all things that would bring you satisfaction, but you don’t always choose the one that brings you the most satisfaction. There are some things that essence does well, like provide you some options. But you, as George, do control the choices that you make, indeed.

GEORGE: Yet, even that is limiting, because the three strands are still three strands. And it sounds like it’s…

ROSE: You’re being overly literal about the three strands. You’re not including the many choices that you have in every day, in your every moment, in fact. You have many choices that you do not make because you don’t allow even the thought that that thing is possible, but it is. And how do you think you might know more about the things that are possible, George? You can do what? Allow the essence self to inform you of those many choices that you have.

The controlling self, for example, that Mary has decidedly put into a place of not impeding her thoughts, has some things to do, correct? The things are to do things that Mary doesn’t want to do right now. You could say that you’re doing this all the time when you think only the things that bring you the same considerations that you’ve always enjoyed, or not enjoyed, for that matter. So you can say that allowing essence to inform your actions would be a good first step.

To say this another way: to begin to speak with essence is how you can first employ more strings, then allow yourself to choose the strings that bring you the most satisfaction. This is the way of spirit that Rose talks about, dear one. That’s the thing we want to insure you know about. Because your intentionality is how your essence informs you. The things you love doing, the things that bring you joy as well as bliss, these are the things you need to do every day of your life. But you’re impeded, in many ways by your own beliefs, as well as shallow thinking, in some respects.

When you thrill to a song on the radio, that’s essence speaking to you. When you get the market shares in your dreams you need to know about, that’s essence speaking. The essence you have in mind sometimes doesn’t want your happiness, right? When you think that essence is stultifying, or wronging on you, or not appreciating everything you are, that’s your beliefs in the way. That’s your religious dictates, at times, telling you things that really are not true at all. But you’ve chosen these things. Essence has something to say about that.

But to say that another way, there are things that you both confer on when you decide to become physical. So essence has ways of getting your attention before you’re breathing, as well as after, although you do continue to breathe in the afterlife. We’ll say that is truly a different way to breathe. But you can count on breath as being a way to inform your every moment that essence is indeed in charge of keeping you well, of keeping you happy, in every way, when you allow trust, as well as realize how very well we know you, as well as need you to be the happiest individuals you can be. Then you’ll truly realize how very loved you are.

And we’re not the same as Elias, in that Elias says that essence is neutral about many choices. We are Rose, so we’re different than Elias, in many respects, but not many respects at the same time. But Rose wants you to know that you’re very loved by essence. We want your satisfaction. We want your bliss. We want everything that you deeply, truly desire. Sometimes your wants get in the way, we’ve spoken quite a bit about this in the past. But to say this again, the wants you have get in your way because you’ve thought about the things you want, more than truly, deeply followed in your essence’s beliefs, in a sense, about what would make you happy.

How to say that without beliefs is truly difficult. Essence does not believe in the same way you do, but it does have intentionality. It does have a sense that there are things that you want to do in your lives. So do them. And don’t fret so much about how you’re going to make these things happen because you’re wanting to allow the best things for yourself. Essence wants that also. So do take on essence to say, “Hey, that’s not geanius[3] enough for me.” That’s why you need to allow – not accept, allow – then you can truly begin to decide exactly what it is you deeply desire, then help with your own acceptance in your beliefs, as well as in your allowance. There are differences, but acceptance is a very geanius teaching also.

There are some things that are very difficult to explain. But to begin with, we want to assure you that you’re absolutely correct that there are some things that essence does do well, but it is not in living your lives for you. We can only provide the best choices you can make for yourselves, if you do want to open up to essence, and allow and trust essence to do that for you, also. Essence wants to help you, always. Always, always, always. So do take on essence, take on your ways of spirit in ways that allow you to thrive, dear ones.

Now, what do you think we want to say next about your Drew? That he, what? Is a very determined individual in providing himself reasons to not be happy. He is interested in not allowing his own happiness. We’ve said this in order to allow your interest in him to move into areas of compassion for him, to allow your best selves to get the way of spirit for yourselves, not Drew.

We don’t want you to talk about Drew, necessarily, but we are using him as a very big example of an individual you know who doesn’t want to thrive in some ways, but does thrive in other ways. But you do know he does make some allowances for his own unhappiness that is getting in the way, at times, of how he can be a happier person (Firmly) in some ways. Now we don’t want to wrong on Drew, but we do want to state for the record, that he is not a happy individual.[4] You can be happy individuals, but by allowing yourself to, independently, help the world is a good way. We’ll say that to say that you’re not connected with the world is the first trouble.

The first trouble is to say, “I don’t create that thing on television, because you know I do create my reality, and it doesn’t happen in my reality. So it must not happen at all.” Do you see the folly in this, dear ones? You don’t allow the people on television to suffer in front of you. So you turn off the television to say, “That doesn’t exist.” Why would you do that? Do that sometimes. We want you to not be miserable. But to say that that is not you is the problem.

The world is you. The world is your world that you’ve chreated in every way, to help you realize how great you are. So to turn off your television is to turn off yourselves in ways that don’t help you. They don’t help you because you turn off the very selves that want to help others, that want to help the world, that realize that even your every breath has something to do with the planet, the universe, and All-That-Is. So to say that you’re only you – ego self – chreating your reality, is so very incorrect that we know Elias would roll his eyes (Humorously) at you.

So do take on the world in ways that help the world, because your world needs you. Your world wants you to thrive. So do so. And we’ll accept all questions when you’re done with your beautiful discussions, as well as food for the evening. We’ll take a break now, and let you (Jo chuckles) thrive in ways that you haven’t yet this evening. Okay, dear ones?

So do take on Rose after the break if you need to, but for now let’s just take a break, and let all this sink in. Okay, dear ones? Okay.

GROUP: Thank you Rose.

ROSE: You’re very welcome.

BREAK: 5:47PM.

RESUME: 6:28PM.

GEORGE: (Humorously) I want to declare my undying love for Rose, and all the other essences present.

ROSE: (5 seconds) Okay! (Paul sighs. George laughs and claps) Very good, dear ones, (Humorously) you’re getting the point, (George chuckles) that the essence selves wish you to continue your beautiful explorations tonight. Because you’re fearing less, by allowing yourselves to speak about the things that you fear. This is why we do this at times, to help you realize how there is not a single reason to fear, except to allow the fears to help you move into areas you need to be in. That’s all fear is for.

Now, what do you think your fear is telling you to do tonight? You don’t need to say things out loud if you don’t need to. But we do realize that the stock market problem is a good place to start, if you’d like to offer that. We would like to allow the “phone people,” so to speak, to say a few words about that, if you’d like, dear ones. Go ahead now. Aussies included! You have ways of getting that fear in your market, also, don’t you, dear one?

MARCOS: Rose, this is Marcos. I just wanted to comment on the number of things that have been said tonight I think are very related. As I think about this evening and the last couple of weeks, it’s been obviously very, very intense, and at times overwhelming.[5] And I’ve just come to the conclusion in a way that, for me, because we all, I think, understand what you say, what you tell us and what we feel and what we hear, we understand a little bit differently.

I mean you can say something, and we all pick up a slightly different aspect of it, I would say – whatever works for us in that moment. So I do love the way that you put things out, because it just speaks to me differently than some of the feedback that I’ve been listening to, and none of it is wrong. But when you talk about allowance – and I want to go back to something Paul said, at the very, very beginning, about surrender – that’s exactly what I wanted to bring up this evening, and I wasn’t sure when, exactly, but I think this is the right time, at least, for me.

Because I had a very difficult day today, I think as a result of the cumulative effects of the last couple of weeks. And I was feeling very strange all day long, and I wasn’t sure exactly what it was – I mean I knew. When I decided to just surrender to essence, as I understand it – and I’m more and more understanding that essence is me, and I now don’t talk about essence as outside of me – it just overwhelmed me. And it touched me so deeply that I had some very, very intense moments that I would say were very happy moments. And again, happiness being defined not in any traditional way. I think there are also different forms of happiness, and I kind of discovered that today.

So even within this turmoil that we’ve chosen to put ourselves in, and I, again, speaking for myself, I chose to be here. I moved here six months ago, and I knew this was going to happen, or something like this. I didn’t know when, otherwise I would have been short the market you know, three weeks ago. But the point is, if we do allow, if we do surrender to ourselves, it makes a whole world of difference. And I don’t have a sort of a burning question, but I just wanted to comment on that because your words are very, very relevant and very assuring, in this moment.

ROSE: You have the things you need. Allowing them to happen is the key to success, in some ways, correct? You have the things you need to be happy, always. You don’t put conditions on the things you need to make you happy. Correct?

MARCOS: Yes.

ROSE: To say that another way, you learn how to use the things you have to help you be happy, rather than saying, “I need to do this before I can do that.” Instead you allow the essence self to remind you how very happy you are already. In some ways, “you get the hell out of your own way.” Because the essence self will tell you how you are already happy. Indeed.

So you’re correct, dear Marcos, that the way of spirit is to surrender to the happiness in you already, in addition to seeking ways to sometimes be happier in ways that you may not think about. For example…

MARCOS: Exactly, yeah.

ROSE: …you took some deep breaths today. Right?

MARCOS: Mmhm, yes.

ROSE: You said, “I will take a few deep breaths right now, to make sure I realize I’m breathing – for one thing.” It was a very fraught-with-peril day today. You held your ground in beautiful ways. You didn’t resort to calling on someone to do something that you didn’t want them to do – in ways that might harm them or harm someone else – out of fear that you weren’t going to get what you wanted.

You held your ground in ways that allowed spirit to assess the situation, then tell you things that you needed to do that would have been called inspired in other contexts, perhaps. You allowed spirit to intervene also. You had a sontering[6] moment – a breathing-in of essence moment – that you held dearly when you realized that you were, indeed, affecting things in beautiful ways. Do you recall that moment when you realized that you were, indeed, trying to allow essence to intervene for you?

MARCOS: Perfectly. Yes I do.

ROSE: You had a sense that it was there for your noticing, also. It was. So you were there to not just experience that essence intervention, but also to realize how you could influence others with your beautiful expressions that you held today, in your court of money, we’ll say. You had every reason to fear, but you allowed things to just progress in their own way, without needing to control the situation other than what you had directly in your “influence sphere,” you might say. You did a fine job doing that. You felt better. You did better things.

You also allowed fear to not affect the outcomes. You sort of chose things in ways that you didn’t even know were possible, by influenced perceptions that essence allowed you to have. You held your ground in spirit, you might say. You held your ground in New York City, too, in a place that you might say that ripples were sent out from you in order to affect everything that was going on around you.

This is how it works: chreation, that is. You can say that you do co-create, in some ways. But Elias would approve, perhaps, of our definition, in that the way of spirit in some ways affects all things, as well as the idea that all things are you. So to say this another way, you’re correct to say you do co-create, as well as correct to say that you don’t.

So do take on Wall Street, dear one, because you’re doing a beautiful job for spirit when you do. And you’ll discover that you’ll, in many ways, conceive of more ways to affect the markets. Then you’ll allow yourself to thrive even more when you realize how very lucky you are to have noticed the very moments you’re reporting on tonight, dear one.

MARCOS: Thank you, Rose. And thank you for being there as well.

ROSE: Always, dear Marcos. We love you all. And do say hello to the Big Rose[7] for us, okay? (Group chuckles) Indeed.

MARCOS: I certainly will.

ROSE: Now do you have another question for us tonight, dear Marcos?

MARCOS: Um, no not at this time, I don’t think so. I’m just listening and digesting everything. The only thing that, perhaps I wanted to share with the audience is something that I learned: when you know something, to really, really, trust yourself. Because about three weeks ago I was in this little technical battle, but I was short, I had a whole bunch of puts[8], and just before the announcement of the bailout package, I got caught up in the intellectual reasoning for why the market was going to go up once the bailout was announced.

And I sold those possessions and, of course, even though I knew when I put them on that I just knew inside that I was doing the right thing, and yet I second-guessed myself. And the lesson is: I didn’t trust myself. And of course, you know, later the next day, it was a completely different story. So it was a big lesson for me, and I just want to share that with others. When you know, no matter what is happening outside and around you, no matter what the experts may say, no matter what the logic may be, there is no logic in it. When you know you’re right, period.

ROSE: The way you have of holding your ground, in regard to spirit, is how you’re also calming the fears of the ones in the room, too. You hold your spirit ground in many ways, including how you realized the lessons in order to say what you need to say. This is extremely important in your world. We all need you to try to share your good stories with others so as to allow them to fear less about how you realized the way of spirit in your world today.

The way you can trust that is to just trust. There is no other way to go about trusting except to just do it, indeed. Trust builds trust, so it is self-propelling, in some respects. Do continue to make your comments on the phone if you’d like, dear ones, or ask questions. Thank you, Marcos.

MARCOS: Thank you.

CHRISTOPH: So this is Christoph, if I can have a question?

ROSE: Yes, dear Christoph.

CHRISTOPH: Hi.

ROSE: Hello!

CHRISTOPH: Hello.

ROSE: Yes, can you hear us? Go ahead, Christoph!

CHRISTOPH: You suggested to me the start auto typing and to ask my essence for his name, and so I did, but I got two names. The first is “Ravan” – R-A-V-A-N – and the second, “Ravella” – R-A-V-E-L-L-A – and my questions are, are they both correct, or maybe both incorrect? And how am I doing with my autotyping from your perspective? Because sometimes I think I just make up my sentences from the Rose and Elias transcripts I read in the past.

ROSE: Your names are beautiful expressions of your beautiful essence self. The “Ravan” would be considered your bird sort of image you could use to express the dear connection you have with Rose. The “Ravan” is a good way to excite the birds in your world by sharing a new name for them, dear one. So you can continue to use the R-A-V-A-N name to describe the bird that you allow as your totem, you might say. Then consider the “Ravella” to be your essence name. They are both beautifully correct, dear one. Okay?

CHRISTOPH: Okay.

ROSE: Now, onto your question about your autotyping. This is an excellent beginning. You’re doing a fabulous job in every way. Do continue to try to express the very words you’re doing, only just trust more. You’re doing fine, but you can only just trust more, then you’ll get more influence from essence than you’re doing now. That’s all you need to do. Just do the same thing you’re doing, only open more each time, like a beautiful Ravan who spreads his wings, in every way, to soar. Okay, dear one?

CHRISTOPH: Okay.

ROSE: Very good! Now we’ll also say, dear one, that you’re fearing more these days in some ways, but fearing much less in other ways. We think you’re doing an excellent job of eliminating your fear in many ways. So do continue to lessen the grip of fear by allowing yourself to trust your actions, then let the fears go. Okay?

CHRISTOPH: Okay.

ROSE: You know what your Rose’s…

CHRISTOPH: And now…

ROSE: Go ahead!

CHRISTOPH: I have another question. Can I ask it? Unless you think the answer’s not too long?

ROSE: Yes. Go ahead, dear one.

CHRISTOPH: Okay. When I’m looking at the blue sky, and I’m relaxing my eyes a bit, I can see very tiny white spots jumping around very fast all over the sky. And today I saw something new, of grey clouds or shadows, which merged into another. What am I seeing there?

ROSE: You’re seeing essence self trying to say a few words to you, but not in the literal sense of the word. Try to realize that this is “essence talk,” so to speak, then relax your perception to get the words in your hearing or in your thoughts. Just realize that this is essence saying things, then allow the thoughts to come into your mind. Okay? That’s what that is, dear one.

CHRISTOPH: Okay

ROSE: Okay. Now do you have…

CHRISTOPH: Okay. Thank you.

ROSE: You’re very welcome. Any other questions or comments from “phone land?”

CATHERINE: Rose, this is Catherine.

ROSE: Dear Catherine, how are you this evening?

CATHERINE: I’m very well, but I do have one question. You keep saying about to trust yourself more, and to allow more. And intellectually, I can understand this. For example, they had a big thing this week at school, and I was in charge of it. And on the way to school I felt very relaxed, which was unusual, because usually I start getting stressed when I have to be in charge of something.

And then I kept thinking to myself, this is unusual that I’m feeling relaxed, when is the stress part gonna come? And I said to myself, just keep trusting that you can stay relaxed, and everything is already taken care of and you don’t need to worry. I was saying all those reassuring things to myself.

But then, once I actually got into the middle of the event, I started feeling the same stress, like the pressure and feeling that I had to be tense and driven in order to accomplish it and to get it done perfectly. So it’s like all the relaxed feelings were gone. And then later I ended up being kind of disappointed and angry at myself that I wasn’t able to maintain the relaxed feelings.

ROSE: What did you do when you started to fear that you were to take on more than you needed to? In other words, there was a moment when you said, “I’m doing not good enough work here.” Right? You didn’t trust yourself, in some respects, then the fear came in. Correct?

CATHERINE: Yes. It wasn’t that I thought I wasn’t doing good enough work, it was that I thought if I just relaxed and didn’t move fast enough, everything wouldn’t get done, and it would become overwhelming.

ROSE: You didn’t allow yourself to continue your viewpoint that relaxation did allow you to also get the job done. So you didn’t like the way you were going about things, so much then. But you moved in to a place of fear that said, “I need to rely on old ways to do the things I need to do now.” It is very common to do this. The only thing you need to do is not fear that you’ll do the things incorrectly. Even doing the things you did today were not incorrect. They were not incorrect. You got the job done really well. Correct?

CATHERINE: Yes.

ROSE: You did the job very well. So why not try to allow yourself to comment on that, instead of how you were very realizing of effort more than you needed to be. In other words… go ahead.

CATHERINE: It’s just that, I mean in hindsight, yes, the job was done very well. But I wanted to approach it from a point of being relaxed, and trusting and allowing, and instead, I did, I fell right back into the old patterns of having to feel driven, and stressed, and tense. And it’s just I want some practical applications, what can I do to maintain that feeling of trusting and allowing? What practical things could I do to prevent myself from getting into that stressed situation?

ROSE: For starters, try to allow yourself feal that you did a wonderful job. No matter what you did. You did that. Correct?

CATHERINE: Yes.

ROSE: So don’t wrong on yourself for not living up to your very high expectations of yourself. In every way, you did a fine job. You didn’t kill anyone, no one died as a result of what you did. We’re joking now, but that’s what treantea[9] does. It helps you allow more choices in your understanding of what you’re doing, and what you’re choosing, so as to relax a bit in regard to how you live your lives.

You did a fine job. Pat yourself on the back for that. Then realize how next time you might try to be most relaxed, as relaxed as you can be. Now you may not achieve that next time, that’s not to say that you won’t the time after that. The point is that you’re doing the best job you can do, correct? You’re doing what you need to do. You’re addressing to the issues that are causing you fearfulness, as well as pain, when you don’t think you did well enough.

We want to assure you did a very wonderful job. There’s no reason to expect that overnight, some things might change. Sometimes they will, but not always. And these things do take some degree of effort to change. They are old habits, so to speak. So don’t wrong on yourself for not fearing enough, or fearing too much. Sometimes fear helps you move through things also, as we’ve said. So your fear helped you move through things in ways that were not as effective or efficient, perhaps, but they did allow you to move into areas that you didn’t really cherish so much.

For example, your fear allowed you to have a backup plan, right?

CATHERINE: Yes.

ROSE: You had fear telling you what might happen if this one thing didn’t work out. You had fear helping you say, “Well, you know, I’d better do that another way just in case.” You did. That was fear helping you, dear one. That is why you did that, that way. Fear told you how to work in ways that you didn’t think fear was really doing.

Now, how about the way you held your ground with the individual who held her ground a bit too much? You held your ground with someone today, also, correct? You held your ground with a very impatient person. You held your ground with someone who didn’t like the way you necessarily did something. The way you held your ground was another way that you allowed more into your view than you hadn’t earlier. So you did allow more than you’re giving yourself credit for, and you’ll realize that when you think about this later, we promise. Okay?

CATHERINE: Okay.

ROSE: So do try to allow yourself to appease your soul in ways that allow you to thrive, without beating yourself up about not doing things a certain way. This is part of the learning. You need to just trust that next time you’ll do the same, if not better. Then allowing yourself to not beat yourself up so much next time is already what you’re planning to do. So you’ll be sure to do a better job, by your own standards, next time. Okay?

CATHERINE: Okay.

ROSE: Do take on more than you think you can, then make sure that the things you can control, you do. But then just give yourself up to essence to take care of the details. The way, excellent ones, that essence helps you, is to trust that they will, first and foremost, then they will always do so. You may not agree with how they’ll help you sometimes, but they do. And you’ll surrender to their ways, in time, by first not associating the things they do with the outcomes that you are so very connected to.

This attachment idea that the Buddhists provide[10] is very concordant with the Rose teachings. We help you get past objectives that you need to get past in order to be happier individuals. By not stressing so much about outcomes, you help yourself to be happier individuals. You don’t want as much. You learn to allow so as to be happier, as well as to allow your desires to come into your purview. By not always getting sold on certain outcomes, you allow more things into your realizations that help you be happier individuals. That’s why we wanted to bring the conversation around to that.

This is a very important teaching, because you need to express to self at times that sometimes you don’t know the best outcomes. Sometimes essence does know the best outcomes. That’s why surrender is such a bad term in modern usage, but to us it’s a very good term that helps you surrender to All-That-Is, in many ways, also. For your knowing is what is the key here, knowing that trust is the thing you need to do to allow yourselves to connect more with your desires, then to help yourselves get out of your way to allow them to get into your way of spirit, indeed. So do so. We hope this has been helpful, dear Catherine.

CATHERINE: It has, very helpful. I think I just need to be patient with myself, too.

ROSE: Exactly. You have very high standards for yourself, that’s part of it. Sometimes screwing up is the best thing that could happen, because you learn to let go of the outcomes, and sometimes this is why you need to have this happen. You need to take yourselves less seriously, at times, as well. We’re not saying this was your day’s events, in effect, happening. But in some ways, you all need this teaching.

That’s why the contrary self[11] is so very helpful to you. You’ll make sure to enjoy the vomiting on someone else, or the shitting on yourself, in ways that are truly embarrassing. (Paul chuckles) That’s essence’s way of saying to you that you’re loved no matter how you do, no matter how you distrust yourselves, no matter how you think you’re beautiful, or ugly, or whatever. Your essences always love you. That’s why you sometimes have to chreate turmoil, in order to express to yourselves how very beautiful you are in spirit, always. Okay, dear ones?

Now, we’ll allow some more comments or questions from the phone people this evening, then move on to our conversations in spirit with our in-person friends, dear ones.

PAUL: This is Paul. I just have a comment I wanted to add to that. Catherine, here’s a practice that might help, too, and reinforce everything that Rose was just talking about, in a different way. And it was something I learned for my doctoral recital many years ago, when I had to perform over an hour of my own music, and I had a friend hypnotize me.

Basically, the practice is a type of self-hypnosis routine, and I’ll describe it very briefly. Before I do that, I’ll just tell you in my own case, he walked me through my entire doctoral recital, and he kept reinforcing being relaxed and being confident. Just those two traits, and he walked me through. He did it in about fifteen minutes, so it took some time, and it really worked, because when the event came, I got about halfway through this thing with all the confidence, and grace, and presence, and I’m sitting there during the middle of a piano piece that’s being performed – so I’m sitting in the audience – and I just kind of thought for a second, and my heart – I started having this very minor panic attack – for the first time, the first time any fear crept in.

I was a Seth reader at that time, so I noticed that. I noticed the fealing, and I noticed I don’t like this – this is exactly what I was trying to avoid, it’s amazing I got this far – didn’t feal this way when I was standing in front of the crowd, or conducting one of the earlier pieces. And I simply then shifted, and distracted myself back into – and just related to the relaxed, confident self – the fear went away. I enjoyed the rest of that piece, got up and finished the rest of the concert talking to people, and it went very, very well.

So basically, the practice is just this. It’s a basic hypnotherapy technique, where you take five or six deep breaths – you lay down, you relax, take five or six deep breaths – get comfortable, you know, “With each breath, getting a little more and more relaxed.” Then you count from ten back to one, and as you’re counting down, you visualize walking down a set of ten steps, and the metaphor is, you’re going into a basement, which is the subconscious or subjective awareness. You count yourself down.

And then you just visualize what tomorrow’s event entails, as best as you can predict it. And you go through all the details, the setup. And as you’re going through it in your own mind, you reinforce confidence, and grace, and even detachment. I would add that what Rose is talking about with detachment, so that if anything untoward or unexpected comes up, you manage it without freaking out and falling back into the knee-jerk reaction. And give yourself about ten, fifteen minutes to visualize this, and then count yourself back up from ten back to one. And you can do this.

The other thing it relates to is what Mary said earlier, about her fearful self. She basically distracted her fearful self, through a type of – what Seth calls “natural hypnosis” – by distracting the fearful self with other more fun things. And in my case for the doctoral recital, I distracted my fearful self with grace and confidence, and having fun while I was doing it, and for the most part, had a great time.

So I hope that helps. And if Rose wants to comment… whatever!? Thank you! By Paul Helfrich. (Paul laughs with others)

ROSE: That was a very interesting way to say that you did distract the controlling self also, by allowing the controlling self to be in charge, in some ways, in your deepest self. That is, the controlling self has the need to go deeper into self, also. So the controlling self can learn to realize exchanges in spirit as well. She can learn this also. So your controlling self can learn to realize relaxation as well as your other selves who are in charge.

We’re not wanting to rain on your parade, but to say that you’re wanting to realize hypnosis is not exactly what you had happening. It was also your essence self trying to allow your surrender to it, also. Hypnosis is just another word for that, we’ll say. There are some differences, but on the most part, hypnosis is the removal of fears that block your indistinct impressions from your impressions of spirit. That is to say, it helps you tune down the noise factor in order to allow more essence into your thoughts. That’s all it does, really. This is very geanius for you to do. We’re only suggesting that we invented it first, that’s all, dear ones. (Humorously said, as others chuckle)

Now, we’ll suggest you have more questions tonight, do you? Someone who hasn’t asked a question tonight, yet, perhaps?

PAUL: Nardine?

NARDINE: Nardine here, if I may make an acknowledgement?

ROSE: Please, dear Daisy.

NARDINE: (Chuckles) Thank you. I’d like to acknowledge that I have worked through processing with a fear this week. And also recognizing that in that processing, it was an old pattern that came up again – old triggers, old processes – and even in the action of recognizing the pattern as it was coming up, I still found myself – within the moment – unable to effect the outflow of that pattern, which was one of separation from trust and heart, and knowing and allowing my whispers to be expressed.

I got caught up in my head, with old programs. And yet now, several days later, I can very much appreciate and value the process of that experience. And the tool that you’ve just offered, Paul, is a grand tool, and yet at the same time, recognizing that the tool isn’t necessarily required if we surrender to the outflow of essence, through our embrace of essence.

And so I’m wanting, and chreating, more trust and integration of that continuum of essence. And I appreciate myself for producing a fearful experience upon which to reflect how I am further – layer upon layer – getting more in touch with the natural continual flow of the expression of my heart whispers.

So I appreciate, very much, that we’re all acknowledging fears, and the value of working with our fears, and knowing that they’re always for our highest good. At least!

ROSE: You’re very dear to us, dear Daisy. We want to express that now, because you’ve taken on a very important task in your RoseVine forum. That is to say, that it is a very big task to take on, you’ve done an excellent job with it. So do continue to express that you’re doing a wonderful job, in every way, in addressing to your fears, in allowing others to sort out their fealings as well as thoughts.

You need only to trust, that you’re doing wonderfully. Then just try to do the very thing you’re here to do, Heart-Whisperer. That is to say that, sometimes, you don’t even need to put into words what you’re thinking or fealing – your heart whispers travel the world to others, so you’re learning how to do that at the same time. You can trust that your words are very effective, especially when they are connected in heart-space with your whispers, indeed.

So do try to take on the words, but know that your heart speaks volumes, also. In every way, you can trust that the heart presence is in your forum, as well as your intellectual pursuits. Okay, dear one?

NARDINE: Thank you. Yes, thank you.[12]

ROSE: You’re very welcome, dear one. Please do continue if you’d like, dear Daisy.

NARDINE: Thank you. I’m happy! (Chuckles with others)

ROSE: Okay, dear one. We’ll continue to try to prod George a bit more this evening, because it’s been a while since we took on George to tweak him out more than he is already.

GEORGE: Okay, I’m leaving! (Group laughs)

ROSE: We’re just joking, dear one. We’ll not trust you to move into other areas this evening. The way you’ve been trying to move through your fears is very wonderful, indeed. So do continue to do so. You’re always loved in spirit, no matter how hard the world is, sometimes, to you.

GEORGE: You don’t know how good that makes me feel. Forget it!

ROSE: Okay.

STEVE: Could I try to follow up on a previous discussion?

ROSE: Let’s hear from someone else who may not have asked a question yet, if anyone would like to do that. Okay, first? (No one else offers a question) Okay, go ahead, dear one.

STEVE: I want to ask you, what do you think Elias’ motive was – and is in many sessions, where he repeated it – in telling us, as Paul and Joanne and I sat in the “Group” in April of 2007, at a shed of Ron [Churchman’s]. And that trust was a steamroller, and that we could, to paraphrase: anything that we wanted, we could achieve with it.

You are saying that is not the case, if I’m hearing you correctly – that your desires are going to win out, that your desires are something that is in the control of the subjective, and not your conscious mind. And that therefore, if you are correct, then what is the motive of Elias telling us something that simply isn’t correct?

JOANNE: (Chuckling) Sorry, this is Jo laughing, (Humorously) I can’t help it, I just love it when Steve asks these questions. So let me get out of the way.

ROSE: The weany girl is laughing because she knows what we’re going to say, perhaps, in some ways. That is that trust is a very big steamroller, indeed. We trust that you have a sense of this also, don’t you? That trust is a big steamroller?

STEVE: I’ve watched diseases partially go away that were not going to go away any other way, they’d been there for my whole lifetime, in one case. And I have seen it work, and so I would say, yes, it is at least a partial steamroller.

ROSE: (Chuckling) The partial thing is the key here. The steamroller is either a steamroller or it isn’t. The size of the steamroller really depends on how much trust you have. Correct?

STEVE: Okay, that’s good. Thank you.

ROSE: Perhaps you might take that metaphor first, then let’s talk about desires, okay? Desires are the drivers of the steamroller, you might say. Desires have ways of wanting to take the steamrollers of trust to the streets, to plow through your issues as well as remove any obstacles to your happiness. How’s that for embedding a new sort of element into Elias’ metaphor, dear one?

You’re correct, that Elias was incorrect.

STEVE: Really!

ROSE: That is to say that we’re joking, (Paul chuckles) we’re not going to (Humorously) say that about Elias’ wonderful teachings. (Laughter) We’re testing you sometimes, dear one, because you’re getting to the point of realizing that tests help you to discern, right? The way you can discern is how you do that as well as anyone. The way you can discern is in your allowance of essence telling you what’s true and what isn’t true – not your logic, always. So don’t wrong on yourself for using your logic, its very important. But supplement it with essence speaking in your ear, at times, to be discerning about the things you hear, for example.

So you’re correct that Elias is, indeed, correct that trust drives the big steamroller. To say that another way, trust is the steamroller, also. But desire helps steer the thing in ways that help you learn to move into areas you’d rather be in.

STEVE: Rose, my desires are going to happen whether my conscious mind trusts or not, if I understand you correctly. And now I don’t want that to happen, I don’t want to be ill, I want to be well. And I don’t give a damn what my desires are on that, I only care what my wants are, because that’s who I live with everyday.

ROSE: Let’s say that your desire is to be happy. How do you go about being happy?

STEVE: I don’t think that’s my desire. Or maybe my desire is that I’ll be happy if I’m well. But I don’t sit here and have any kind of want to be happy being sick. That isn’t my goal, and it won’t ever be. I don’t want it to be.

CAT: What if your desire was to show yourself that you can change things, if you manipulate your health?

GEORGE: By your intent.

STEVE: Maybe it is, I don’t know, I don’t talk to my subjective.

ROSE: You do always talk to your subjective. But the point here is that you did light up when you did what, just now? You spoke about what?

STEVE: I lit up, in what sense?

ROSE: You held court about your beautiful chreation in spirit, about your health, didn’t you?

STEVE: My beautiful creation to what?

ROSE: About your health. You lit up like a Christmas tree when you talked about how you’re doing the job, healing yourself.

STEVE: Yeah, yeah, yeah I’m very proud of that, and very glad I did it.

ROSE: Why not consider that a desire for yourself then?

STEVE: Because if I had not done anything, it wouldn’t have happened. And therefore, if it was a desire, why did it already happen on its own?

ROSE: The thing to realize: the way of spirit helps you move into areas that you enjoy, no matter how very much you might think of it. We’ll define interest in health as enjoyment. You enjoyed the journey, in some ways. You had your foods, you had your plate under your sitting place, you had the way of spirit in your ways of healing yourself.[13] You held court just now, talking about how you did that. Isn’t that a very beautiful thing that you did, dear one? Healing yourself?

STEVE: Yeah, my conscious mind did it!

ROSE: Your conscious mind helped.

STEVE: Influenced it to happen.

ROSE: Yes.

STEVE: I worked on it for a very long time, and worked on it for very many hours, and worked on it very hard, and it was not easy. And it would not have come but for me doing that.

ROSE: Let’s say that was a desire you had, to heal yourself.

STEVE: I don’t think it was a desire at all, because like I said, I’m sixty-three, I’ve had this immune defect, that I actually conquered my entire life – it wasn’t budging me – until I rolled up my sleeves and did something about it consciously.

ROSE: Exactly. Desires have consciousness all about them, in every way. Desires aren’t just essence saying, “I’ll step in and take care of that.” Desires are your way of being in the world, doing the things you do to help yourself, in this case, to be happier. You’re a happier person now, aren’t you?

STEVE: It gave me some hope I can get it all done. The point is to get it all done. And then I perceive myself as being able to do things that make me happy – ‘cause this is impeding me now. It’s reducing my size, its reducing my psychic ability. I’d like to exhibit that, or express that fully, that’s my goal. And until I do, I won’t be happy. I need to get rid of a brain problem first, because it’s impeding me from doing that.

PAUL: Can I just interject something for the record, too, and we can debate this later. But Steve, you’ve switched Elias’ definition of desires and wants. So if you can just, intellectually switch those two terms, because Rose keeps using it the sense Elias defines it, and you’re kind of refuting…

STEVE: Yeah, yeah, I understand how he said it.

PAUL: Desire is based on your intention…

STEVE: Yes.

PAUL: …your wants may or may not have to do with that, and that’s why the wants are secondary to the desire.

STEVE: The wants are the conscious mind’s idea of what it wants to do.

PAUL: But the desires are also part of objective awareness. When you’re fully in tune with your intention…

STEVE: It’s not in my conscious mind, it might be in yours if you can perceive a more hidden part of your objective self.

PAUL: I’m just saying, this is the Elias of Paul, again – not Elias – meaning we can check it, and debate it later. But my understanding is that the desires are very much part of the objective awareness.

STEVE: And I agree. But it’s a more hidden part of the objective that I personally, consciously, cannot detect.

PAUL: Okay. That’s fair enough.

STEVE: Alright.

ROSE: You did detect the desire, you didn’t necessarily call it that. You held your ground in regard to your health, though. This was a very big thing for you. The alignment with your desires helped you do the thing you desired doing. The wants are what you’re expressing now, in some regards. You want to do this so you can be happy.

You’re setting yourself up for wanting, only to put off being happy, as you have some discernment involved in regard to objectives that you’d consider wants. They’re getting in your way of being happy. You just said, “I’ll be happy when…” That is a want. Think about that.

You’re happy now, if you let yourself be, right?

STEVE: Are you going to deny me the hope of getting rid of the complete diseases – I mean there’s more than one, there’s never just one – if my desire, is not to get rid of it?

ROSE: Your desire is to be happy.

STEVE: Not necessarily. I don’t think about, “I want to be happy.” I have specific goals, and I’d like to experience – just experience – the thrill of having a full side? So let’s not dwell on happiness, let’s dwell on the point. Which is, are you going to deny me the hope of getting rid of these diseases, or any disease, if my desire is that I shall not?

ROSE: Not at all! We’re encouraging you to be healthy, in every way. We’re also encouraging you to be happy with what you have. Now this is not to say that you need to feal that we’re not encouraging you to continue your healing, but you have good friends, you have a good place to live. You have wealth that you do have fun with on the market. These are all things that make you happy. Correct?

You don’t need to postpone your happiness until your diseases have completely abetted. But this is not to say that the desire isn’t still strong in you. You have purpose to your life. You have a will to live. This is very beautiful to us. But don’t wrong on yourself for wanting to be better. You don’t need to wrong on yourself for desiring things that you don’t have yet. This is the point, somewhat, of desires, they keep building beyond your desires that you achieve. Desires are exactly that.

Even essence has desires, okay? So beyond your scope of fealing-tone in your focus, you’ve allowed yourselves to continually achieve your desires while building new ones, in many ways. We’ll leave you with this, because this is beyond your thinking, somewhat, right now. But to say that you’re needing to be healthier first, to be happy, is not necessary.

You can be happy now, if you desire that. You only need to remove your wants from the equation, then trust yourself to allow your healthiest self, while also allowing your healthiest self in spirit. For you’re always healthy in spirit. We know this sounds very contrary to you, but to say that your health is bad is sometimes not helping you either. The thing to realize is that your health is never going to be exactly perfect. That’s part of the human experience.

The thing to keep in mind is that you always have the means to be healthy, in ways that go beyond body, also. That’s why you sometimes chreate the health issues that you do, in order to connect with essence, so as to relieve yourselves of some of your burdens, at times.

We’ll not continue right now. We want to continue with this conversation at another time. But for now we do need to wrap up for the evening. Okay, dear one?

STEVE: I have your position taken.

ROSE: Okay. Thank you for concluding that for now. We want to say that you have many reasons to be happy, dear ones. Happiness is very important to essence. We are Rose now speaking, we’re not Elias speaking, that’s not his intentionality, to teach happiness. But there is such a thing, and you can allow yourselves to be happy, in every way, in spite of any infirmity of any realization of pain, also. This sounds very Pollyanna, at times, to you, we do know that, but we want you to realize how very powerful essence is, so as to help you get on your way of spirit, in ways that bring you the most fulfillment in your days. Okay?

So do continue to live your beautifully happy lives, as well as find reasons to achieve the things you want to. For this is how you realize your desires, as well as realize your best selves. Okay, dear ones? We’ll conclude for the evening. Have a beautiful couple of weeks. And we hope to speak to you again soon. Adieu!

GROUP: Thanks, to Rose.

(Rose Departs: 7:31 PM.)

(Transcribed by Nardine Neilson, April 14, 2009.)

 

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Endnotes

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[1] Paul’s note: This is one of Rose’s neologisms (made-up words), a combination of feel and real. For more info, see The Rose Glossary.

[2] Paul’s note: This is one of Rose’s neologisms (made-up words), a combination of Christ and create. For more info, see The Rose Glossary.

[3] Paul’s note: This is one of Rose’s neologisms (made-up words), a combination of genes and genius. For more info, see The Rose Glossary.

[4] Joanne’s note: It’s uncharacteristic of Rose or I to talk about people without them being present, and I was uncomfortable about this as it was occurring. However, we didn’t bring it up, Steve did, and anyone can read Rose and Elias transcripts and discern for themselves. One example is Session 231 in which Drew asks, “Isn’t it true to say that most people are happiest, and therefore most in alignment with their intent, when they’re miserable?”

[5] Joanne’s note: Marcos worked on Wall Street at the time.

[6] Paul’s note: This is one of Rose’s neologisms (made-up words). Sontering is “the breathing in of essence,” and involves a kind of empathic mergence with the object of sontering. For more info, see The Rose Glossary.

[7] Joanne’s note: Rose mentioned to Marcos in Session 277, August 16, 2008, that “the Big Apple is Rose, also. You moved into the big apple, which is a variety of rose, don’t you know, dear one? You do know this, we just want this on the record, that’s all. (Group chuckles)”

[8] Joanne’s note: A put is stock market lingo for a contract on a particular stock, index or other security.

[9] Paul’s note: Treantea is one of Rose’s practices designed as “a way to realize more choices by engaging your imagination and intuition.” ~ Session 233, March 31, 2008. For more info, see Treantea Poker Players Practice and Part 2: The Poker Players Float to the Sky.

[10] Joanne’s note: The Buddhist teachings stress that attachment is the root cause of suffering, and when we don’t have attachments, we are liberated.

[11] Paul’s note: For more on the contrary self, see The Beautiful Contrary Self: An Introduction.

[12] Nardine’s note: Oh my goodness! This session was held my first week as Moderator on the RoseVine (on NewWorldView.com). I was working through quite some processes, as I shared in our first Topic, Heart. A lifetime ago! Now, as I finish transcribing this session, six months after the event (April 14, 2009 ), it is the perfect moment for me to read these words. My trust echoing through the myriad connections, insights, inspiration and bliss, that fills my blessed daze! Affirmation again, that whether participant, listener, transcribers’ or reader, eternal be the magical now in which we acquire, or bestow, our unique and timely gifts.

[13] Joanne’s note: At the time, Steve had unique ways of managing and resolving his health issues, including a strict diet that relied a great deal on lentils, and his “butt plate,” a metal platter that he sat on to relieve his discomfort.