“Sontering Essence”
“The Contrary Self: A She-Wolf Who Knows Your Path”
“Animals and Essence”
“Crystal Skulls”
“Fear, Suffering, and Terrorists, Oh My!”
Session 248 (Group, Castaic, California)
Saturday, May 24, 2008
Participants: Joanne (Tyl), Joyce (Rosalie), Gail (William), Drew (Matthew), George, Sarah, Caryn, Shariff, Boris, Shireen, Ursula, and Paul (Caroll).
(Rose Arrives: 4:43 PM. Arrival time 16 seconds.)
ROSE: Dear friends that have gathered here tonight, you are wanting to say a few words before we begin, dear ones? Do you have any questions that you’d like to ask us this evening? Like, why do you talk to us, perhaps? We….
JOYCE: I think a part of that question is really what can we do to assist, and what is our role, why do we come?
ROSE: That’s a good comment, dear one. We are here to assist you, though. To take on the way of spirit, you’ll need all the help you can get. And that’s why we’re here to tell you to do that, as you’ll find that you have a great many hurdles to get across. So we won’t want to distract you from your end game, so to speak, by helping us. So do take on the world and we’ll assist, but to say that you need to help us is not what we request of you.
You are gods in training, in a sense. You have a geanius[1] way of being in your world in ways that are sometimes helpful to yourselves and sometimes not helpful to yourselves. We are here to always want to try to help you no matter how dire the situation may seem, and when you realize this, you’ll be better able to assist yourselves. So do so, and we’ll always want to talk with you, indeed, for that’s what we do extremely well, in a sense, when you have the best channelers around you. And that is a way of saying we are the best channeler (Joanne laughs) around you these days.
We really are joking, in some ways, by saying that, but to say that there are geanius channelers is the point – some are better than others. The Rose is the best of the bunch (Joanne laughs) to you, perhaps. You have a sense that we go a bit deeper than many channelers, so that’s why you have a sort of lag between the words and hearing them.
There’s a lag in between the words we speak to you, as they are so very important to say, that they have to take a few moments to assemble in your brains, in a sense. You youse much of your brain, in some respects, when you speak with us, so there’s a bit of Rose in all of you. And when you feal that you have a good sense that you’re connecting with your own way of spirit and your own essences – that’s the point.
We want to assure you we’re not the only channeled source of the best information out there, but we are the ones who will tell you how to directly connect with your own essences, and that’s why we’re the best (laughter) in the bunch, so try to be a good student now, each of you, and try to realize that Rose is you. Just take a few moments to, surely as you can, know this in each of your minds, in your bodies, in your emotions – try to excellently realize Rose in you.
(Softly) Now take a few moments to relax and deeply breathe in your essences. Take a few moments of silence, so your willing essences can assure you that they are here for you. (13-second pause)
Now, take a few more deep breaths and try to image the essences in your mind. (8-second pause)
What do they look like? You cannot say or you can say, but try to sonter[2] them. Breathe them in, as surely as you’re being breathed in by them. Imagine they’re before you breathing you in. What do they feal like? Do they love to be here with you? Indeed, they do. Do they want to sonter you always, breathe you in? Indeed, they do.
Sontering is how you connect in spirit with your contrary selves[3] as well. The contrary self is how you say to yourself that you need to get on your way of spirit, so trust that your sontering self has the keys, at times, to realize the best ways for you, as the way of spirit for you is sometimes tone-deaf. You sometimes do tune out your essence, so your contrary self tells you what you need to do, as well as know, but because you fear that way of spirit, at times, you often tune them out. Then the contrary self comes around to say things you don’t really like to hear.
Really try to connect with your contrary self – the guard dog, in a sense – that helps you stay on your path. Do so now. Imagine a beautiful wolf who is very interested in your survival and happiness, so what to say about that than, “Here girl! Do you want some treats? Do you want to say a few words to me?” Do you want to cuddle by the fire, and allow her to breathe on you to keep you warm? Indeed, sonter the wolf now. (8-second pause)
Your wolf has the best way of spirit in her path. She knows the path you need to be on. Why wouldn’t she want to assure you that you’re on it always in spite of how you may feal otherwise, for you only need to search through your runaway weeds and misplaced stones to get on your path, indeed, but to say that is somewhat of a non sequitur, because you have a sort of path under you always, but you don’t always allow yourself to know that. So even though you feal that you’re not on your path, in some ways, you always are.
So don’t worry that the path isn’t there for you. It is always. Your sontering self wants to say a few words to you when you feal off the path. Do pay attention to the negative comments, in a sense, that your mind tells you. They’re not negative always. They sometimes are your wolf self saying the things you need to hear. Pay attention to her. She knows you better than anyone else ever did. Sonter her now. (11-second pause)
Do you feal her inside you? Indeed, she is always there for you, growling at you when you need it. Telling you things that you do want to know in spite of how you may think about them at the time. To say the least, she’ll embarrass you at times, she’ll tell you what things are not worth paying attention to. She will be so very contrary you won’t believe it, but do take on your contrary self in beautiful ways, and she will do you a very big service. Okay?
So try to slowly come back into your room with your beautiful guests around you. Your guests are your guests. You’ve invited them into your room, as well as Joanne and Paul’s room, so try to assure yourselves that you’ll have the essences around you tonight as well.
So do so, and we’ll take a few moments to tell you how to go about trying to connect directly with your essences. We will take some questions if you’d like. Really try to surely tell yourselves how you’re wanting to connect with essence. You will do so when you need to. In spirit, you always do. So try to assure yourselves how that will happen by allowing always the contrary self into your purview. She will assist you in a very big way.
Now do you have any questions or would you like to say a few words about your experiences just now?
FRIEDA: I almost felt… I had a feeling that I knew the words you were going to say before you said them.
ROSE: Very well. You have a gift of prophecy, indeed. (Laughter)
FRIEDA: No, it’s being maybe open, or made aware, or relaxed enough to become more sensitive.
ROSE: We were not joking, when we said that, entirely. We do know you have a gift of prophecy sometimes when you allow that. So do take in the sontering as a means to allow yourself to help see things before they happen.
You have a geanius gift of empathy as well, (humorously) and you know what we’ll say next, so we won’t bother saying it. (Laughter) Try to assure yourself that you do have the gifts, and you’ll have a sense that your Rose will follow you about more in your days. So do so.
PAUL: I had an interesting experience. I tend to resist personifying essence, and yet this time I kind of just said, “What the hell. She-wolf, protector, mother figure,” and the tone of voice, the imagery of the fireside, breathing and sontering, and I just got an energetic cloud sort of variation of this thing. I did kind of feal it in my red energy center and kind of spiraling up my back. Not like an electric current or anything, just in a very light subtle current way up into the purple.
It spiraled, and it kind of did one of these things (swirls his index finger), and the face and the eyes were there in a sort of metaphoric sense, and the whole she-wolf thing, because I know you’ve talked about that before, so it wasn’t new to my rational side – to start figuring out well, was it a friendly wolf, a nice wolf, is it black or white, all that stuff that I’ve done in the past – so it was an interesting experience for me.
ROSE: You’re wanting to say more about that is a good thing, because many individuals have trouble in trying to really see essence. The essence self is unseeable in many respects. That’s why we wanted you to try. You did a geanius job if you didn’t see anything, so trust that this is a test, in some respects, but if you did see someone it is a geanius thing as well, because [your] ability to picture people is a great way to say that essence is in you, in your people, but essence itself has no face, so to speak. So take in your wolf self to most accurately depict, in many ways, not in all ways, but in many ways what your essence self looks like.
The animal self is a very important part of you. It has a sort of natural sense of us. We mean us. The animals you have in your world know essence very well even though Elias says that animals are not essence[4], they are in Rose’s books. So trust that you’ll have a geanius model of essence in your animals, in many ways.
This is not to say that they have the gifts that essence has, but they do, in many ways, fear less than you. They have a sense of purpose that you don’t always. They have a sort of grace about them that they have primarily for survival purposes, but you have for other, higher purposes, in a sense. This is not to say you’re better, indeed, in many ways animals have more than you because they remember things that you don’t, like how to youse fear.
To fear is to want to take action, to move into safer areas, for example, but to say that fear is good to hang around your house in spite of your moving, isn’t what fear is for. So animals know fear really helps them, and that’s why they are superior to you (Joanne laughs), in many ways, so we’re telling you this in the spirit of fun but, in many ways, it’s true that they are.
Now, this is not to say that you need to be like animals, but try to embrace your animal selves. They are in many ways always in you. That’s correct. They have a sort of inner knowing that you can adopt, because animals are in you. You evolved from them. There are some things that evolution [theory] didn’t get correct, but the theory is very good, and when we say that you are having animals in you, we don’t mean bestiality (Joanne cracks up). We mean that…
PAUL: (Humorously) This is an example of Joanne finding the information really funny and cracking herself up.
JOANNE: I just can’t believe she said that! (Still laughing, Paul laughs)
ROSE: …they are in you in evolutionary terms, so try to realize that and know that they are special, in many ways, not just in their fearlessness, but in their sense of knowingness. This is a beautiful thing to say the least. So trust that animals have us in their purview as well. So that’s why we gave you the ideas of using the wolf symbol to allow yourselves to realize the connection with essence if you need to allow yourselves a bit of imagery, indeed.
Otherwise, the essences allow you to think of them any way you’d like. They do allow you to do this when you have the best self in mind. You have the best self in you always. There’s no reason to not consider yourself as an image of essence, or to think of anything as a reasonable facsimile of essence, because essence is what you youse[5] to chreate[6] your reality. So everything is, in many ways, essence.
So continue to realize this, and we’ll suggest that you take a small break, and allow yourselves to talk about how you see essence at times. Okay? We’ll be back in a few minutes. (Joanne chuckles)
DENISE: A commercial?
PAUL: It’s a commercial break.
ROSE: That’s correct.
JOANNE: Okay. (Laughs) You go first. (Denise cracks up)
DENISE: What are we supposed to… what was the question? (As the relatively quick break caught everyone off-guard.)
JOANNE: Well, I think it was “how do we see essence?” And I’ve had that question on my mind. I like to visualize things and I don’t even have a picture of what Rose looks like.
FRIEDA: I can’t see essence, I can feal it.
JOYCE: I’m not sure I can feal it, but I’m aware of it. I don’t know if that’s the same as feal or….
FRIEDA: Sometimes awareness goes into fealing, it’s not always fealing, awareness can grow into fealing. But to picture, no, right now it would be beyond me.
JOYCE: I would agree with you.
DENISE: Well, if it’s nonphysical how can you picture it? It’s like you can’t see courage or love or bravery. They’re not physical, I don’t know how to picture it.
FRIEDA: Well some people can picture courage as someone like Lancelot. You know or we can picture something…
PAUL: Heroic.
FRIEDA: Heroic.
DENISE: But that’s not courage. It’s an image of someone who acts courageously.
FRIEDA: Yes…
JOYCE: It’s culture-specific. I have a friend who wrote a book and she had some extraordinary experiences like Dante, but it’s very culturally described, and I think that you could describe it in many ways beyond how she did. I accept hers because that’s her experience.
FRIEDA: Mmhm.
JOYCE: And then she finally got to a place where she went down levels of the psyche, and she allowed me to talk to her and write about it, and my sense is that she got to a place where it was alien to her and she described it [inaudible].
GEORGE: And the funny thing is that most of our courageous figures acted out of fear. So fear is what drove them and everybody said, “Wow, look at the balls they have.”
FRIEDA: It was fear of losing those balls that drove them!
JOYCE: But it was true what you said, what was his name, Joseph Campbell, showed that throughout the world throughout different times we all had similar visions. We would maybe call them a little bit different in different parts of the world and different religions we came from, but there was always a hero, there was always a journey. In other words, there was a certain…
PAUL: Resisting the call to the journey.
JOYCE: Yes.
GROUP: (Banter, as people are getting up and getting snacks and drinks.)
FRIEDA: It was interesting for Rose to put us through that, that little practice – to relax and to breathe… Jo…
JOANNE: (Stuffing her face) Oh yeah.
FRIEDA: To visualize, to have that done in a group. I’ve not seen that done that way before.
JOANNE: Yeah, well she’s trying to teach us to connect directly, so there’s only a certain amount of things that she can really say about it, you know, she urges us to try things ourselves.
(To the group) Did anyone connect with the wolf? Because I just love the wolf imagery so much. And I’ve had… I just imagine myself, sometimes when I’m fealing low or fealing blue, in my imagination I’ll just kind of go off with that wolf, and it’s just she and I, and it’s just wonderful.
I don’t know if anyone’s read the contrary self article, but the contrary self is the one who, when you’re standing on the dock, and you’re ready to try water-skiing for the first time, the contrary self says, “My, you lovely in that bathing suit. Just make sure it’s on really well, really tight.” And it’s like, “Why are you telling me this now?” You know, to help you get over your fears of embarrassment and what have you. That’s what she’s there for, to kind of bark at you when you’re getting off track or kind of worrying too much about things.
FRIEDA: Is it your contrary self that helps you get over the fear of public speaking? (Joanne laughs)
JOYCE: I hope so!
JOANNE: Mmhm! Yeah, it might come in the form of going out and realizing that after you finished your performance that you had something all over your face, you know. (Laughter) Then it’s like, “See? You were just fine, weren’t you?”
JOYCE: I really want to get a different name for the contrary self. I used think of it as contrary and now I’m beginning to trust it more, like it really knows where I want to and should go. And I find it affirming as opposed to frightening me. And I think that, again, for some reason I brought this today, we talked about the need for redefining languages. So I’d almost like to rename it.
DENISE: I was thinking that, too.
JOYCE: But I’m not sure what.
FRIEDA: Ask Rose about that.
JOANNE: Okay. Well, let’s ask her then. Does anyone want to say anything else?
DENISE: I have one question. We talked about animals, and I’ve been reading this book that mentioned different animals and the aspects of animals that we are, and specifically it mentioned a few animals, one was the snake and one was the jaguar. And it’s weird because I just finished that book and today before I came over I was listening to a tape of a radio show and they were talking about the crystal skulls. And they said there was an image of this crystal skull, and out of one of the eyes of the crystal skull came a snake and out of the other eye came a jaguar.
PAUL: They’re both symbols.
DENISE: Yeah, and I had been reading about a week earlier that of all the hundreds of thousands of animals in the world, those were the two that…
JOANNE: Right.
GAIL: Are speaking to you!
FRIEDA: Hello! (Joanne laughs)
DENISE: …that came up. It’s like alright! So I’m wondering if there’s any significance to that.
JOANNE: There is.
JOYCE: I saw the Anna Mitchell Hedges exhibit in person. And we were allowed, Anna Mitchell was very controlling, and stood on guard like she was smothering us, but we did it when I did a Seth conference in Kentucky in the 1980s with Peter Moscow. And we were allowed to do third eye to third eye on the skull. And when I did it, and most others did it, we had tremendous visions suddenly racing through our heads. And there was a woman who was medium from England, Coral Poe, and she drew a picture that was exactly what I envisioned when I did the third eye with the skull.
And they are talking now on TV and radio that there are thirteen crystal skulls, most of them are Central and South America. But the North American Indians also know about it, and they all come up with this number thirteen. And Anna’s crystal is a number thirteen, and what they’re trying to do is get the thirteen in a circle by 2012.
GAIL: Isn’t the story that there’s twelve of crystal and the gold one is thirteenth? And it’s the one that goes in the center and they all connect?
JOYCE: You know, I really don’t know. What I saw just the other day was [inaudible], but I would think if there was a gold one it would be in the middle.
GAIL: There is a gold one.
JOYCE: Well, and then they made the statement that even if we don’t find them they believe that at a certain time they will connect without us. But this will happen wherever they are buried, or kept and we don’t have to worry about finding them. And one of the questions I was going to ask Rose, and it’s a little off the topic, yet your crystal skull brings me back to the question is: the Vatican, Germany, Russia, England, and France have a lot of information about UFOs and undocumented sightings out in the last few weeks and months. And they seem to be giving us little bits at a time. The only developed nation that is not sharing is guess who? It’s us! The USA.
PAUL: George Bush land.
JOYCE: So I was curious to ask Rose with not only the fact of animalistic images and stuff, are we being prepared for something that’s beginning to unfold that some of us are intuiting this happening.
I don’t want to go too far off from Rose’s beautiful exercise, but that has been following me all day.
GAIL: It’s interesting that the three of us have connected with the crystal skulls in just the last week. It was on the Sci-fi channel and I’ve been looking it up on Google, and read many articles on it in just the last week, and was just talking to Jeremy about it also.
DENISE: The Indiana Jones movie is now out.
GAIL: Yeah, there’s that too.
FRIEDA: Oh, that is interesting.
PAUL: And that’s in the title: Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull.
JOYCE: I heard that today coming over.
PAUL: So that’s part of the imagery surfacing and generating a wave of interest or synchronicity.
JOYCE: [inaudible as four people talk] …just had a woman who channeled the crystal skull, like somebody would use a crystal ball. And it was the most incredible thing I ever visualized on a video that was given to me. That’s how we invited this woman Anna and Carol from Canada. And it said that the reason there were thirteen of these skulls was that if one person had it, it would be absolute power. And absolute power corrupts absolutely, and so they decided in giving it to human kind that they needed twelve. To me that says they each have a different part of a puzzle, but I don’t know if that’s true.
PAUL: Who was supposed to have given it to human kind?
JOYCE: Wherever they came from.
PAUL: Off-world?
JOYCE & GAIL: The Mayans.
PAUL: Extraterrestrials? So there’s an extraterrestrial connection to the skulls?
JOYCE & GAIL: Yes.
JOYCE: Not only that, but I remember Texas Instruments and several others have tried to duplicate these quartz and some of them are different than quartz, like gold and stuff, and they have not been able to duplicate with the precision of the originals. And as an anatomist, one of my hats, it’s perfection. But we don’t have the machines yet to make it that way. We gave to make it in parts, and things like that, so that also deepens the mystery.
ROSE: (pops in) Any other comments or questions? We’ll tie things together.
GAIL: I think that the twelve crystal skulls have to do with the astrological signs plus the discovery of another planet which would be the thirteenth.
JOYCE: That’s interesting.
PAUL: And I just want to throw out a comment to kind of round his out from where we got started, that Elias makes a clear distinction that animals, like Rumi the cat, is not a focus personality or a focus of essence. They have a different psychological structure. Homo sapiens, human beings, are focuses of essence and when they die we engage the action of transition. When animals pass, there is no transition, so it’s instant to whatever comes next for them energetically.
So the way I understand this, and it took me years to get my head around that, because you’re sitting there with a pet and they have a personality tone, too. They’re unique, each cat, mouse, bird, even insects are sometimes different. So they have a sort of personality tone.
So the way I’ve come to understand it the distinction that is being made here ontologically, in terms of being, is that animals are “of essence” versus being a “focus of essence.” And somehow in the involutionary, creative arc of things, essence creates all of this. It’s not God, it’s not All-That-Is. It’s actually this mediating “layer,” this first “layer” of creation of essence (of The Many) that then constructs everything else in terms of The Many as well.
So “of essence” versus a “focus of essence,” please comment on that when you tie it all together. (Joanne chuckles)
GEORGE: [inaudible]…consciousness and essence.
GAIL: Well, didn’t Elias describe animals as being subjective?
GEORGE: Consciousness.
DENISE: Aren’t they our creations?
PAUL: That doesn’t ring a bell, but the way I wrestled with it and tried to understand it is that they’re not self-reflexive awareness. They don’t give themselves names. They’re not a focus personality.
GAIL: Right and we’re that.
PAUL: But there is a personality tone in animals.
GEORGE: Didn’t Elias say also that an animal will pick the time it’s going to die? And sometimes know what it’s going to become after it dies? It may be a cat, or dog, or bird?
PAUL: It’s possible, as I’ve not read all the privates.
GEORGE: Everything is consciousness but essence can create.
PAUL: Right, so you have….
GEORGE: Essence is consciousness.
PAUL: Animals are consciousness, focus personalities are consciousness also, but there’s a distinction of essence and not-essence in the mix. And that’s a BIG issue that’s just… Rose picks her words carefully so I know that….
ROSE: You’re correct.
DENISE: Didn’t Elias say that essence incorporates personality tone where the other ones do not. That’s the difference between a human focus and an animal.
PAUL: That would be specific to Elias’ terminology – personality tone.
DENISE: But wasn’t it Seth or Elias who said they had a dog aspect?
PAUL: Right, but was it a focus personality the way Jane Roberts defined it? It’s not, it’s different.
DENISE: He called is an aspect, so it’s not a focus, it’s an aspect.
JOYCE: But I have trouble coming from a scientific background, they say that animals don’t feal things. And the question is first of all what are you describing as fealings? You can use that in different ways. And the other thing is that even the statement that they don’t have names, we really don’t know. Maybe someday we will communicate more directly with them. So I find a lot of the same things that appear to be correct from our limited view right now, but I’m not so sure that’s totally true.
PAUL: Mmhm.
JOYCE: Because if an animal is going to be sacrificed in a herd, when they pick it and its understood that they’re going to take one, I mean how is that decided? Who decides that?
JOANNE: They decide that.
JOYCE: That’s what I’m saying, so I have a sense that they have a deeper and bigger repertoire than we have been willing to give them, because that makes us very privileged.
PAUL: Right and when you say they’re not a focus of essence then you make that distinction that the value assigned to animals is less than that of humans.
JOYCE: What about a different level or stage of essence? I personally could live a little bit with that, rather than either/or. I don’t know which is correct.
PAUL: You know, they’re all made of consciousness units, or links if you use Elias’ term. Both are made of those, both consist of those, and consciousness is the common element between the two, that’s where I think the bridge is to be made. There’s a subtle distinction. Are we as great as we think we are because we give ourselves names?
JOYCE: We’re animals, too.
URSULA: How many animals in the world kill other species off, too?
JOYCE: Very few.
URSULA: That’s another distinction. Or pave everything and pollute and exploit and kill and murder?
GROUP: (Multiple people talk over each other. The joint’s jumpin’!)
JOYCE: We’re a very violent species.
GEORGE: Didn’t Elias say that whales are close to essence?
PAUL: Elias claims that in the late 1990s that whales and dolphins, he didn’t mention the term porpoises, and I’ve never asked to clarify that, but whales and dolphins became focuses of essence. So that your essence as a Joyce, Denise, or Ursula, can now, when you see the pod of porpoises swimming by off the beach, that could be one of your focus personalities! Theoretically, it’s an interesting thought but yeah, he’s made that statement and it’s a rather mysterious part of the information, just like the crystal skulls, I don’t really know. I can’t prove it or disprove it at this point.
(To JoRose, who has been waiting patiently) Rose do you want to…
ROSE: We know.
PAUL: (Laughs) …comment on that? Are you ready?
JOANNE: (Laughing) Let us finish eating first.
PAUL: And that’s Joanne speaking, correct?
JOANNE: (With full mouth) Mmmm.
DENISE: (Humorously) No Rose is in…
ROSE: Now we’re Rose, always. Joanne is Rose, also. That’s so very much the point. The sontering of essence is to remind you that you are essence. So you are wanting to fill in the blanks as to what is essence exactly, and it’s a bit tricky to describe, but we’ll begin with animals. They are not essence in the sense that you are, but they do allow essence to speak to them. We say “speak to them” very deliberately, because they do not really implore essence as you do; they don’t need to. They have a sort of built-in communication system with essence, so they have that built-in, as do you, but you forget that to say the least.
The plundering, the murders, the rapes, the assaults, so very much want to be a good sort of model for how not to live that the animals have no sense of this. So to say that animals have a sort of built-in way of living that is in balance is the best way you could continue to describe them. They are not essence like you are, but they also don’t have the need to be essence like you do. You need to grow in a sense to become who you will be in essence, so essence is a sort of path upwards into higher consciousness. This is not to say that animals are a lower consciousness – they’re not in many ways, but they are, in some ways, too. This, as we said, is tricky to describe.
Now, what to do about animals? Become like them in respects that serve you, but try also to realize that you have a sort of path of spirit that requires you to learn things that animals don’t need to. Why not try to emulate them in ways that have beauty for you? You have the best teachers in them in many ways. They are subordinate to you, but don’t think that subordinate is a bad thing. Indeed, subordinate is a good thing.
You couldn’t have ordinate systems without subordinate systems, so when you think that you’re better than others, like animals, who have a sort of lower set of operating principles than you, be weaning yourself of this belief, because these beautiful subordinate systems are why you have the abilities you do now. Don’t think for a moment that you’re supposed to transcend these systems then do away with them. This is the reason that you have truly great strife in the world. Your dominator hierarchies believe that the lower systems are worthy of killing, as well as assault. To say more would be unnecessary; you know that things are bad out there.
So realize that this is the error of humanity, probably the worst error that you could create for yourselves, in thinking that you’re better. You’re not, but you are, in some ways. The betterment of all isn’t a bad thing; it’s when you try to realize the way of spirit without including the lower systems in yourselves, as well as in the world, you do well to accommodate them better only, so do so.
Try to realize that your wanting to connect with animals is why you’re human, in many ways. Your wanting to connect with essence is, in many ways, the same as wanting to connect with animals. You love them. You love us. So try to imagine self as both, and your wanting to depict the essence in you as your contrary wolf self is why we introduced this idea to you in the beginning of our conversation. You need to ontologically mix things up in ways that you’re not now. You’re wanting to realize a sort of depiction of self that doesn’t exist yet.
The self is in transition, and you’ll do well to consider yourself as descending as much as ascending into what – a cloud of sort of mystical self-hood? That’s about the best you might do in trying to realize an image. You are the best sort of ideal that we could imagine. You are the best of all things. You have the best ways in spirit when you heed them. You have the best efforts in mind when you pay attention to yourselves. You have the best in mind when you love one another, so why not think of essence as… who? Who?
FEMALE: Self.
ROSE: Exactly, Self. Think of yourselves as essence. Think of your beautiful selves as the best possible self you could imagine, indeed. Sontering is our way of saying, “Take in deep breaths of you.” Indeed, why not try to allow deep breaths of Self into your days and your nights, as we are you. Indeed, we are you in every way possible. Try to think of yourselves as gods-in-flesh, and you’ll find the best approximation of who your essence will look like. So do so.
Do you have any questions for Rose?
PAUL: Do you want to comment on the crystal skull thread?
ROSE: Yes. “The Crystal Skulls” is a very good tall tale indeed. Don’t be fooled by the really wonderful rhetoric that was partial to movers and shakers in another time. The way you can think of the crystal skulls is as a very good tale to try to force individuals to create a power structure. The power structure was in the way they created the various means to create the other sorts of individuals who may have had the skulls, but the skulls were never substantiated, in many ways. They were never really the things that they were supposed to be.
But don’t worry – the skulls do have some magical properties. They do have properties that you’d consider alien. So don’t try to make more of them than is necessary, but do try to take in the wonderment that the skulls have in ordering the world around them. A good myth does that. So don’t try to dismiss the wonderment of a good tale. This is very important to the world.
The tales are wanting to be told, but the skulls themselves haven’t lived up to expectations, so to speak, and they have a sort of grace about them that is real. But to take on the many forms of violence that are incurred, when you tell people that the way is to gather all the skulls, is a disservice to you. You don’t need skulls to give you powers. That is why we’re here, to tell you that you have the powers already in you. So continue to revere the skulls, but don’t try to importunely try to include more around them than is necessary.
DENISE: Can I ask you how they were created?
ROSE: (Humorously) They were created on Mars. Sonter that and you’ll find if we’re testing you or not.
PAUL: (Laughing) You are testing us.
DENISE: I’ll assume you’re testing us.
ROSE: That’s correct.
DENISE: Can we go to the next level, how are they created…
ROSE: (Joanne laughs) You’re wanting to…
DENISE: …part two?
ROSE: Oh, how else to tell you? So you tell us, dear one, what do you think?
DENISE: Lasers? (Laughing) I have no idea.
ROSE: That would be a good way to do it. To take on the skulls that way is a good guess. Now why do you say this? Because you have a gift for what?
DENISE: Skull-creating? (Laughter)
PAUL: Skull-duggery! (More laughter)
ROSE: Close! Science.
DENISE: Science.
PAUL: (Imitating the Thomas Dolby rock video) Science!
ROSE: You have a gift for science. Why wouldn’t you consider that the skulls were created by lasers? You have a gift of sometimes certainty in science, but sometimes science is finding chreative means to proceed as well, and you have a gift as many intuitive individuals do, to allow themselves a sort of intuitive scientific outlook. So do chreate the wonderful skulls in your mind (Joanne chuckles) if you want to, but know that they did come from another planet.
PAUL: Wait a second! You just contradicted yourself again. You just said they came from another planet.
ROSE: They did, but not Mars.
PAUL: What planet did they come from?
ROSE: They came from….
PAUL: (Humorously, suspecting a test) Twylo?[7]
ROSE: Of course. They came from Twylo. Now, that’s not a test because Twylo does exist. There are more and more planets in your realm every day. When you see that, you’ll see the planet that they’re from. The skulls are a [find] of a special sort. They were found in the Arctic Circle. We wean you of your need to know why the skulls are extraterrestrial. They are. What difference does it make what planet they’re from? Will you go there looking for more skulls?
PAUL & JOYCE: Yes!
ROSE: Indeed. Sonter them and you’ll find out what planet they’re from. We’re wanting you to do some of the intuitive work as well, so continue to.
JOYCE: I have a question.
ROSE: Yes.
JOYCE: If they come from other alien sources, are they deliberately to be humanoid, or is this a pattern that we will find throughout the Kosmos, the Universe, as we go, and that may be one of their purposes?
ROSE: You’re wanting to improve the lot of humanity in that question. To say “they” is like saying someone outside you has the sort of kind benevolence that would allow them to provide the skulls. There’s no need for intervention. The intervention is you allowing essence into your days. So trust that you don’t need aliens to send you skulls to provide you the things you need to be beautifully chreating a future world that you can all live in peace and harmony in.
You, in some ways, will never include total peace and harmony. There’s not any reason to have to do this. You’ll always have a sort of violent streak; when you get violent, you’re expressing the frustration you have. There will be this always in humanity, but you don’t need to allow intervention from outside worlds. So your question was a bit defensive in the sense that you don’t need them, but they do need you, and you’re correct that they do want to assist, but you are them, also.
JOYCE: Okay.
ROSE: So do take into consideration that you are them, and you allow the skulls to be included in your world in a big way. Even movie makers took notice of this allowance of self to be able to communicate to you the vastness of your chreativity, indeed. So do so.
GAIL: So the crystal skulls would be like a reflection of our own self-awareness within the knowledge that they hold that we’re actually becoming aware that that is our knowledge?
ROSE: You’re correct. The knowledge is what you have always only don’t utilize, because you don’t really understand that we’re here to provide you answers. “You” meaning “you humans” not “you William,” of course, so humans don’t allow the magical worlds into their understanding, so that’s why you chreate crystal skulls to tell you that, indeed.
GAIL: Well it’s the same thing with the animals – they just reflect back to you an issue you’re addressing. They might act in a certain way to try to get your attention to pay attention to the issue that you’re needing to look at.
ROSE: You’re exactly correct. To say more would be to finish out what we were going to say just now ourselves. To take on the world is to take on yourselves. You have the ability to chreate much. You allow much to lose itself in your forgetting, to say the least, but you’re now remembering that you’re wanting to chreate Roses, to chreate beautiful animals to help you every day in many ways, to chreate beautiful chreative works such as crystal skulls to inform your imaginations in ways that are truly benefiting you.
So continue to realize that you chreate your reality, and you are essence. To say anything more would be to say less, so continue to sonter. You’re wanting to do that. So sonter us in spirit, and we’ll say more after your beautiful meal that you are chreating for yourselves as well. Enjoy! We’ll speak to you later.
GROUP: Thank you Rose!
BREAK: 5:55 PM.
RESUME: 6:59 PM.
ROSE: (Pace is slow) You’re wanting to say a few words about the shows[8], and that is allowed because we’re taking notes. (Joanne chuckles) We want to allow water in your weany girl’s act (Paul laughs), but she’ll need some swim fins – she’s very afraid of water. So we’ll assist in that.
To take on the world that you have in mind to change, we wean you of your fears to do so. So try to control only what you can control. This is the next allowance of fearless chreating that you can expect from your teachings, so try to allow only fear when you feal the need to change. That’s why it’s there – to allow you to find solace in your fear.
So sontering fear is the next lesson we’ll partake in this evening. We want to assure you that fears are best dealt with, to say the least, than suppressed. There is no reason to fear fear, because fears want to assist. We’ll take an example of a fear that you may have – the fear of flying. We wean you of needs to fear by allowing this example, because you don’t really fear flying. So that’s why it’s a good example. You only need to imagine how someone may fear flying. You don’t need to engage your fears to do so, but it may help to do so, so you can empathically connect with the example.
(Humorously) Now we don’t want anyone fearing flying after the lesson, but you know what we mean. Just try to imagine that you have a fear of flying. What do you do? You fear that you’ll go down in flames, or will find ways to combust in ways that are not lovely, indeed, or you’ll find ways to crash into the earth, or the watery grave that would await you. Now, doesn’t that sound wonderful, indeed?
So when you’re fearing that, what do you do? You have a sense of fear that would best be considered controlling of your environment. You wouldn’t fly, possibly, or you’d be so frightened that you’d not enjoy the ride. So the fear would have you flying, possibly, or not flying.
What do you do if the fear is too contrary to your experiences, so you don’t fly as a result? To say it another way, what if you only got that fear one time only? What would you think about that?
PAUL: I’d think it might be a warning to avoid flying on that day, maybe. It might be best to just turn over the other side of the pillow (Joanne chuckles), and not go to the airport.
ROSE: You’re exactly correct. The way you’ve interpreted the fear is as a warning to you that there may be a good reason to not fly that day. Now, what if the fear was so great that you didn’t want to do anything that day? What would you think about that?
PAUL: That would be pretty paralyzing and depressing, and maybe symptomatic of some deeper problem of not wanting to face something, and avoiding something that makes it even worse and worse.
ROSE: You could say that the way that you’d experience fear would be overwhelming you in ways that we suggest wouldn’t be rational, correct?
PAUL: At that point, right.
ROSE: So, the way of fear would be irrational, but what if there was a sorting of elements that day that resulted in a world catastrophe that the plane may have had something to do with, say if you did avoid getting on a World Trade Center plane,[9] what you would do would be to allow that fear to hone in on a bigger issue. You could say that the overwhelm would be not only in the plane going down, but a bigger crisis you’d be picking up on that would explain the overwhelm that you’d feal that would send you to your bed for the day.
Now, this is another form of fear that is longer, in a sense, because it is not just about your concerns, but the concerns of others. This sort of fear sounds difficult to imagine, but it’s what a lot of individuals deal with on a daily basis. The fear sometimes is about the world, and how things may work out or not. To say this another way, there’s a geanius amount of fear that is for no one in particular, but allows many individuals to sort out things on their own in ways that would be considered their own fears, so they are really tuning into other individuals’ plights.
So that’s why they sort of take to the skies of self, only in not too great of ways that you’d find only foreboding. They don’t only have the fear. They want to assist. They don’t know how. This is a geanius way to say there are individuals who empathically connect with the world in ways they don’t [know] how to interpret. Their fears sort out in ways they couldn’t understand if you told them, possibly.
They wouldn’t know where to begin to sort out the differences between themselves and others. Their pain is the pain of others, so their fears are the fears of others, and you have this going on in you all the time as individuals who care about the individuals in the world. Much of your fears are nonlocal, in a sense, but you don’t know how to interpret them, so you carry around a sort of low-grade fear level in you, so you can try to adopt a sort of contrary self approach to this, and we’ll tell you why this is important now. Okay? So are you with us so far?
GROUP: Yes, mmhm.
ROSE: Okay. The way you can try to allow fearlessness – this is the point – the fearlessness is why you’re wanting to connect with essence. This is the best thing you can do for yourselves, for fear is a chreativity inhibitor that you’ll do better without. When we say, “Anxiety,” this is why we’re saying “Fear,” but fear is a good thing, anxiety is not. So we’ll say that the word “anxiety” will be yoused for fears that you can’t do anything about, really. You can try to assist in ways that are locally informed, and you can allow prayer and other things, but anxiety is anxiety is anxiety (Joanne chuckles), and you can allow yourselves to get over your anxiety about the world and the shift in consciousness[10] in progress now.
So try to imagine that you have a world of problems that you want to solve. Why do you want to solve them? Indeed you can try to answer this question, but we’ll say, instead, that you don’t want to see or feal that people are suffering. There is nothing at all wrong with this. In fact, this is a very noble thing, but you also need to consider that people and animals will suffer at times.
The way of spirit is not about ending all suffering, but you need to try. And this may sound impossible at first, but you need to try because you have the ability to solve some of the problems, but you may not solve all of them. That’s why you need to take into consideration that you cannot solve all the world’s problems, nor can you allow only suffering of those who “deserve it.”
We are jesting, in a way, because no one deserves suffering, but to say that others would deserve it more than some is not a bad thing to think about, because sometimes you need to learn about suffering before you can truly end suffering for others. This is the point of suffering. There is no reason to believe there is no need for suffering. There is, and that is to end it, and that’s why you suffer. Period. That’s all you need to know about suffering.
To take on the world to end suffering is a very noble thing, but you won’t end it any time soon. Now there are dimensions in time and space that require those participants to not suffer, but there is no reason to do this on your present Earth, because there is purpose to it at times. So try to imagine the world without suffering, and you’ll get something that is not of this world.
So try to imagine that now. Try to think of the world as a beautifully perfect place instead of a place that needs to be fixed. Do so now. We will help you in consciousness to consider this as a means to express to yourselves the need to let go of your fears about the world. So continue to rest-in-Rose, and try to just realize the world without suffering for a moment. What do you have?
In some ways, you have paradise, correct? You have the best that life has to offer. Now, what do you do with everyone who is not causing suffering? You have them go to paradise, correct? This is why your religions are so very helpful – they seem to weed out the good people from the bad people, but why do they do that? To help them with their doctrines of faith.
And why do they do that? To help them control others. There is no reason to feal that bad people don’t deserve a place in the world. They do, and you’ll do well to find ways to deal them a good hand, in a sense, to assist them, and when they find ways to allow themselves to squelch your happiness, what do you do? You find ways to deal with them. You “sit on them.” You “step on them,” if needed. You find ways to take them away from the contemporary world in ways that are humane.
Then what? You find ways to control everyone so they don’t act up again. When you do this, you have a regime – that is not what you want. In some ways, having “bad people” in your world is a good thing, because it shows you the freedoms that you have. Now why would you fear them? They can hurt you and they will. And why do you want to fear them? Because your fears help you realize what you need to do to take changes into your world.
You need to take on the terrorists who are, in many ways, bullies in your very world today. They need to be taken on in ways that allow you to move through your fears. The fears you have of the bullies in the world are your way of telling yourselves to take them on. Your animals know this. They feal fear when they’re confronted with bullies, in a sense, in the animal world – the aggressors who hunt them.
They are, contrary to your beliefs, very fearful when confronted to the point of excrementing themselves. So when you’re wanting to say how wonderfully noble the animals are in taking on the very ones who harm them, you need to consider they are very scared when they do, and they would be a good model for you, because fear does that. It scares you into action, and you’ll find ways to shit yourselves sometimes, but this is the point. That is what fear makes you do – to run on adrenalin so as to find the resources in you to kill or maim whoever you need to. And this sounds like a test, but it’s not. You need to find ways to control, in some respects, the very individuals who want to kill you, and there’s no reason not to.
In some respects this sounds contrary to a spiritual path, but we are only wanting to share with you what you need to share with yourselves. If you believe that the world will turn in ways that will really support you without rising to your challenges, then you’re not correct. The world needs you to move into areas that you’ll find helpful for yourselves and your world. So do so and we’ll assist, for you have the best teachers and fighters among your essences as well.
You have the best advisors as well, too, so take on the bullies when you need to. Don’t allow yourselves to only fear and not take action, for that’s why you’re always anxious. You have many fears that are unresolved because you fear taking them on. Don’t. Say what you want to, to them. Do what you want to, to them, and there is a time to take them out if needed. So do that, in many ways, but above all, be compassionate, because this is the point.
The terrorists are not individuals who allow themselves any need for incontrollable means. They have a way of killing that is dyscompassionate to the point of being killing machines. You can’t reason with a compassionless individual. Some people need to die, and this is a very providing of pain thing to do if you allow them to continue, for they are unhappy in their roles as machines only, and you’ll do well to consider that sometimes the violation is greater to allow an individual to continue than it is to allow them to die peacefully, and with compassion. We’ll allow questions now.
PAUL: The way I see this, in general terms, is we look at human development in terms of basic stages – for example, seedling, sapling, and tree stages. Somewhere in the seedling to sapling stage – adolescence in males – testosterone kicks in, and it’s an incredibly powerful hormone. Estrogen and other powerful hormones kick in on the female side of the equation, but it seems that, historically, anywhere from teenage into the early twenties is where most of the warriors, and fighting, and killing, in terms of brute force, has occurred, also, in terms of gang killing and gangsterism.
Since we’re in this endless cycle of overlapping waves of seedling-sapling tree development of human beings, there is going to be a constant source every five to ten years of a new generation coming up, of history repeating itself unless certain controls are put in place. So what human civilization seems to have done in the last 6,000 years of recorded history is basically have some kind of police – the cops – some policing form of adults come in and police the crazy juveniles. Then, in more civilized countries you basically have organized crime, the Mafia, gangsterism, Al Capone, people who just live by the gun, and don’t care – I get what I want, and I want it now! I don’t care about tomorrow, nothing. And that can wreak havoc in our communities and overall growth as well.
So I’m just trying to interpret what you’re saying in terms of “the terrorists,” which you’ve defined as a broad, general, vague term that even the terrorists will use against you to justify that you’re a terrorist, Rose. So the question I have, then, given all that…
ROSE: My!
PAUL: …is: how do we sit on the bullies without becoming a bully ourselves?
ROSE: We want to allow the word “policing” to allow you to tell us what you mean by policing. When you say you want to allow police to take in your murderers, what you are saying is that you trust them to do the policing for you, correct?
PAUL: I’m saying there’s a socially, more or less, acceptable set of values that the so-called police as a part of our culture, and it’s their job to enforce and protect – it’s mostly parking tickets and traffic violations, and drunk drivers.
ROSE: And sometimes murder investigations and…
PAUL: Often murder investigations in the cities in the Western democracies.
ROSE: …things that allow them to murder individuals as well.
PAUL: (Agreeing) As well.
ROSE: You count on them to do your policing for you. This isn’t a bad thing, but consider that you’ll have them do what you don’t want to do, correct?
PAUL: Or are trained to do or is my intention is drawn to do.
ROSE: Perhaps, and this is the point. What makes you less trained to consider how to manage criminals than they are? In some respects they are. We’re not saying this, but when you turn loose the police to do the policing, if you’re not careful, what do you get? You get a police state.
PAUL: They go to the dark side.
ROSE: When you allow…
PAUL: It’s the Darth Vader move.
ROSE: …only the officials – that’s correct – to say what is true about any given crime, when you allow them to turn over evidence that is tainted by them, you have the means to subject individuals to worse treatment also than you might provide. Correct?
PAUL: And that’s corruption, what we call corruption.
ROSE: That’s correct. So we’re only suggesting that you take on the bullies that you can, not the murderers, not the criminals, but the way you have of making [the police] responsible for all the bullies is why we’re suggesting that you need to begin to get straighter spines, in a sense, in regard to what you put up with from individuals. Not the terrorists – they’ll be contained by your government, but when you try to suppress the contrary self who wants to advise you of things that would be considered providing of embarrassment by speaking out against a bully who is a store manager, for example, you run the risk of allowing the criminals to take charge, and the criminals will take charge in your very police units. Think about that.
When Hitler took over in Germany, he could have been put down – not literally – but he could have been put down in thought by others, but there were not enough contrary individuals to say, “Hey, you are a thug in the worst way.” There were not enough individuals to tell him that he was so very interested in suppressing individuals that he could not be stopped otherwise. That was when the war was lost.
PAUL: Well, through thuggery, violence, and threat of violence he intimidated all resistance, and he murdered a whole bunch of people on his way to power.
ROSE: Eventually, yes.
PAUL: And it became… it gets too big.
ROSE: When the contrary self is suppressed like it was in the beginnings…
PAUL: In German society.
ROSE: …of the Nazi regime, it gets to the point where contrariness is so suppressed so as to kill others. So we’re suggesting that a bit of contrariness in time saves much trauma, and to say that others are only responsible for speaking up to the bullies is wrong-headed in the worst way.
That’s why we want you to connect with your very wondrous animal selves. To lose your fears about the way you may look, or sound, or appear to others – to lose your very gentle ways, your manners even and be more like them. Youse fears to move you into areas that will have you taking action, not just worrying about things. Worry is fear repressed, and when you worry, you’re not doing anyone any good. The worry is how you tell yourself that you need to take action, indeed, that’s what your fears tell you all the time. So do so.
We realize this has been a very heavy subject, but remember that your wanting to lose your fears is a very deeply seeded, initially disingenuous affair unless you get into the core of your fears, and the way you see yourselves in the world is always helpful. So continue to realize what your world would be like if you were not to share the world with your “bad people.”
You can suggest how that would be, if you’d like. They would be locked away somewhere – on Twylo we suspect (Group chuckles), and you’d find peace and comfort always, wouldn’t you?
PAUL: No!
ROSE: That’s correct. The “no” would be how you’d find patience in repressing your deepest desires to seek peace, wouldn’t you? Don’t think for a moment you wouldn’t want to seek really interesting conversations that would spur anger, or fear, or loving attentions of others, or any other thing. The point is: you have a beautiful world that is consolation for many things that you fear. When you fear, take the fear of not having a perfect world out of the picture, and you’ll do well to consider that the world is fine the way it is, in many respects, and this is not counter to our teachings when we say the world needs you to heal it, or to improve it, for in many ways it is exactly perfect the way it is.
In your fears you have found, in many ways, the means to move into growthful areas for yourself that you wouldn’t normally. When you fear, youse it to move into new realms that will satisfy you in ways that you’d not considered before. So do so, and try to imagine that the world is fine, the world is free, in many ways, and you’ll do well to take on your fears and your terrorists of fear when you see fit. You have the power to change things in a big way. So do so, and we’ll suggest you break for dessert now. We will answer questions after dessert if you have any. So for now, please enjoy the fearless desserts (Group chuckles) you’ve chreated for yourselves.
BREAK: 7:40 PM.
RESUME: 8:26 PM.
FRIEDA: We saw “Iron Man” yesterday.
JOANNE: Mmhm.
FRIEDA: It was really good. What it took to create that movie was unbelievable. To have that photographed and have him flying through the air was unbelievable. It was done so well.
GEORGE: Did they sit on any “bad guys”? (Laughter)
PAUL: (Humorously) He got sat on by a bad guy!
FRIEDA: It was fascinating. It made me feel like a kid.
PAUL: Comic books do that.
DREW: Good for Robert Downey Junior! That’s what I say.
FRIEDA: He’s wonderful in this.
GROUP: (Banter, agreeing)
ROSE: You’re all “Iron Men,” dear ones. Now we’ll allow your questions, but we don’t have any stock in Rose Cream[11], so we’ll have to remedy that in the future. So continue to allow your questions.
PAUL: I have a comment. Joyce who has left us – had to go home – earlier said she would like to rename the contrary self something else. She didn’t have a suggestion as to what to name it, but in a conversation I had with George and Sarah, I had the light bulb go off and got the term “the common sense self.” Now it’s not as sexy a title as the contradictory self…
GEORGE: You stole my idea! (Laughter)
PAUL: …but the common sense self kind of puts it in a better frame for me. Whatever your common sense is that it makes you contradictory, it makes you violate when you go through a red light, or a stop sign, or not come to a complete stop, and it’s safe and nobody’s at risk versus we’re putting someone at risk, and so on. I would like to hear your comments on that.
ROSE: You’re correct that the contrary self is very much attuned to your common senses, but the contrary word is important, because it allows you to be in opposition in healthy ways, so your word contrary is still the exact one (Joanne chuckles) we’ll be using for now. But we suggest you have earned a gold star with that suggestion, dear ones.
PAUL: All right! (Laughter) I think that may be my second one in all this time!
GEORGE: You gotta be an instinct follower, you gotta follow your instincts. That’s what I would say.
ROSE: That’s also correct. You’ll also get a gold star awarded tonight, dear George. We are gold star givers in a big way. We like that very much, so continue to consider other words. We do think there may be some, but for now we want to stay with contrary, because it does provide a sort of non-excellent sort of fealing, because it will often mean that you need to go against something that is somewhat understood as common sense sometimes, also. So continue to dwell on your fine words, and we’ll continue with questions.
PAUL: Thank you.
ROSE: You’re very welcome.
FRIEDA: I think it’s good, Rose, that before a session begins, even if there aren’t new people each time, to go over some of these words with which we are not really familiar, and just to refresh how they’re used when you speak. I think that’s helpful.
PAUL: So you’re saying that my doing that is a good thing?
FRIEDA: You get another half a gold star.
PAUL: You want Rose to do that as well or…?
FRIEDA: No, what was done this evening, I think that’s helpful.
PAUL: They’re also on the website – we’re trying to make them available out there, too. We’re going to have a list, a glossary there of these words as they come along.[12] And we’re publishing more material as we go, and we’re just in the infancy of this thing, just getting started with it, and there’s a lot of work to be done.
By the way, I did also want to announce that Nardine Neilson in Australia has volunteered to transcribe and has transcribed four or five transcripts now, and so slowly they are going to come out on the website, too. So there’ll be more material available. We’re going to be transcribing all of these potluck sessions as well, so they’ll all eventually in the next month or so get out there, footnoted and everything. So people who aren’t coming here who don’t know the backstory can get other information as well. That’s just a play off your point.
ROSE: We will allow a “shout out” to dear Nardine for her helpfulness, so dear Nardine, we love you! (Laughter, clapping) Indeed, thank you.
DENISE: Paul, will these sessions be called “Dinner & A Dead Girl”?
PAUL: We’d thought about that – “Dinner & A Dead Gal” – but since it was unique to “Dinner & A Dead Guy,” we wanted to leave that special for the Kris Chronicles. “Rose Potluck” isn’t as sexy, but that’s what it is – we’re sharing food and conversation and time together, so….[13]
ROSE: You’re dead, too, you know! (Paul laughs) You’re as dead as you’ll ever be, as Elias says. (Group banter)
GEORGE: I was talking to Gail and Sarah was involved, and we were talking about certain things and what’s going on between Sarah’s essence and her mom’s essence that somehow they just cannot click right now. I asked Elias, he was a little vague and stuff, but is there anything that can be done without getting me involved?
ROSE: Mmhm, exactly, that’s the point, in some respects, that they have the ability to sort things out on their own, so don’t overworry that. Now we’ll also say that in essence, they are getting along just fine. In your terms, they have chreated this for their own focus purposes, so don’t overworry, they will sort this out, but these things take time and compassion to work through, dear one. So try to find a solace in yourself for the way that others may treat you, and you’ll feal better about the conflict when it occurs. So do so.
GAIL: (To Sarah) Did you understand what she said?
ROSE: (To Sarah) Try to find a bit of pleasantness in yourself when others have things to throw at you that you don’t like. Try to remember how loved you are by Rose, and by your friends, and by your father, and all the very many teachers you have. Your mother is also teaching you good things that you’ll find out about at a later time, but for now try to remember how beautiful you are inside, and you’ll feal better about the situation now. Okay? (Sarah nods)
Now, other questions?
DENISE: I have a comment, sort of an analogy because earlier in the first session you were talking about us remembering that we are essence, and kind of focusing on the fact that we’re more than what we appear to be, that we’re essence, and I thought my analogy that I’ve been using for years is that if Clark Kent suddenly had amnesia, he would still be Superman, and have all the powers, he would just have forgotten it. And I think that’s what we are – we are Clark Kents with amnesia, and we have forgotten who we really are, and the powers that we do have, it doesn’t mean that with the amnesia he suddenly doesn’t have powers. He just has forgotten that he has them and that’s what we are.
ROSE: We are so very appreciative of that analogy we’ll award you two gold stars, dear one. (Group laughter) You’re what we call prescient, because you’ll find that Clark Kent is mentioned in one of the books we’ve written, but you haven’t read yet. The thing we say about Clark Kent is that you can’t be good at everything – you have these fealings that you need to be, but have you ever seen Clark Kent turn in a newspaper article? (Group chuckling) Indeed not!
DENISE: Big deal, he saves humanity! I could care less about the article.
ROSE: Right. So you have to wonder, though, what he’s good at in real life, and that is your challenge, too, at times, to take on the world is needed, but you also need to allow payment of bills. So Clark is getting on in his job, but he’s not really good at it possibly because we’ve never seen him turn in an article, indeed. (Joanne chuckles) So try to realize that you have the gifts that he does – you’re all in many ways unique in your superhero skills, as he will conquer the world (humorously) but you can also do that in ways that are more subtle than flying around in spandex tights all day.
So continue to find the ways of spirit, to find your own inner Clark Kent. To say more, you’d need to talk to Superman himself. You do that always when you speak to your own essence, but try to continue to do this, for your wanting to have solace in your days can be readily felt by speaking with essence yourself, so do so.
And we’ll allow more questions.
GEORGE: Miss Rose?
ROSE: (Joanne chuckles) Yes, dear one.
GEORGE: Actually you talked about flying earlier, how Clark – what’s his name – Kent. The funniest thing is that I get a lot of flying dreams. A lot of where in my dreams I can just float, fly, and it’s wonderful. I wake up in the morning and gravity’s right on me and I’m cooked. Yet sometimes I’m sitting awake and I say wait a minute, if I could actually do that I would probably freak out. (Laughing) Now what’s the bridge between making that a reality?
ROSE: You don’t need to, you only need to be earth bound now, but you can fly in your dreams because you can fly in your dreams. So when you say, “You” [then] sonter essence, when you do, you sonter the flying self as well. You’re flying when you expand the definition of you. You can say you do fly only you do so in your dream state. This doesn’t mean you don’t fly only you, George, don’t fly. Now we are splitting hairs perhaps…
JOANNE: Or splitting spandex! (Laughs)
ROSE: …but to say that you don’t fly isn’t correct, and this [is] important because you need to identify with your essence self, and this is a good way to do that. By allowing yourself to reframe the question as “Why can’t I fly when I’m not in dream state?” is the better question.
GEORGE: Exactly.
ROSE: So try to remember that you have some rules to follow here, but they’re not rules to contain you as much as to allow you other expressions of chreativity that you’d not have if you could fly. You wouldn’t know, for example, how to walk. In time you’d lose that ability possibly.
So there are some constraints to flying as well that you’d do well to consider before you wish for that, possibly. So do try to fly in your dreams, because when you do, you allow the experience in ways that you’ll find wonderful, and then you can rest in knowing that you won’t need to when you’re awake. But to carry the dream with you is the point, and this is what’s beautiful about essence, because you do have the memory of flying. You do have the experience of flying – why not try to consider that as reality and not only a dream? So do so.
GEORGE: That’s like telling me I’m never going to get rich so I can use my creativity to make money all the time.
ROSE: That’s true.
GEORGE: I was afraid you were going to say that! (Laughter)
ROSE: In some ways that’s very true. That’s why you chreate difficulties to help you get over the fear that you won’t do better somehow. When you fear that you won’t do better is where the suffering comes in, not in the difficulty. So try to realize that your fear is what’s causing your suffering, not your resistance, we should say. The fear is wanting to move you into areas that we suggest you may not be in, but the resistance to the situation is what causes the suffering. The fear of fear, you could say, is resistance too.
Now any more questions? Very well, we’ll say, “Adieu” for the evening. We want to thank you all for your fine, wonderful ways of spirit. Your wanting to connect with us is your way [of] saying, “I want to connect with my greater self,” and that’s what we are. We are you in every way, so continue to express the beauty of your days, and your bodies, and your wonderful expressions of self and until we meet again we’ll say, “God bless you.” Sonter us in ways that you’ll find beautiful, and we’ll be there always to assist. We love you. Rose.
GROUP: Thank you Rose.
(Rose Departs: 8:45 PM.)
(Transcribed by Ursula Schnicke, July 19, 2008.)
Endnotes
[1] Paul’s note: Rose uses new words (neologisms) to help us break out of conventional thinking patterns. For more info, see The Rose Glossary.
[2] Paul’s note: For more info, see Sontering (Breathe in Your Essence Practice).
[3] Paul’s note: For more info, see The Beautiful Contrary Self: An Introduction and The Contrary Self: Parts 1-3.
[4] Paul’s note: According to Elias animals don’t have a soul or essence, but are, in fact, created by essence. This took me years to fully understand. The connective tissue, so to speak, is that animals, humans, and essence are all “of Consciousness.”
Still, Elias makes this distinction and it fits the integral notion of “transcend yet include” in physical terms in that all humans have physical, biological, and animal “systems” nested deeply within us. Humans don’t just “poof in” as premodern creation myths claim. It takes billions of years of evolution before humans ever emerge from the biosphere, which must develop sufficiently complex ecosystems to sustain human life first. Thus, we are never separated from the physical, biological, and animal aspects of All-That-Is. So what Elias has pointed out repeatedly is an important ontological distinction, nothing more.
Moreover, this means that when animals die, they do not engage the action of transition. They simply change energetic states. Also, they don’t have energy centers (chakras) like humans do. Elias describes animal auras as a singular color (pink), while human auras contain all the colors of the energy centers. Obviously, this is a subtle and complex topic. For more info, see Digests: creature consciousness.
Finally, it’s likely, in hindsight, that this was one of Rose’s tests. In other words, she was baiting me, yet again, with a surface level contradiction to make me go deeper into this topic.
[5] Jo’s note: The neologism (made-up word) “youse” is a combination of you and use. “The everyday expressions of self have the most fruitful, inviting ways of spirit. You youse your own abilities to suggest that you are doing what the world needs: using you in the world.” ~ Session 258, June 21, 2008
For more info, see The Rose Glossary.
[6] Jo’s note: The neologism “chreate” is a combination of Christ and create. “Chreate means both create and Christ, as your chreations are what you do when you are spiritually informed, even if your chreations don’t represent Mary or the Blessed Baby of Christ. The chreations are those that would be considered ones of beauty, and that’s allowed always, works of beauty.” ~ Session 197, December 02, 2007
[7] Paul’s note: This is a reference to the classic 1960s Dick Van Dyke TV show (Episode 51 “It May Look Like a Walnut”) in which Rob has a nightmare and dreams that an alien from the planet Twylo, who looks like Danny Thomas but with and an extra set of eyes in the back of his head, was conquering Earth by spreading around walnuts. So we’ve always used that reference to mean someplace weird and far out.
[8] Joanne’s note: Paul and I had just been to Las Vegas where we saw a few shows, including Cirque du Soleil’s “O” which is staged using a giant vat of water.
[9] Paul’s note: Rose referred to the events of September 11, 2001 at the World Trade Center in New York City.
[10] Paul’s note: Seth talked about a religious reformation involving the return of Christ that would culminate by 2075 in Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul, Chapter 21 (1972). “The shift” comes from Elias who has talked about a “shift in consciousness” since the sessions began in 1995. Elias’ shift involves a variation of the return of Christ, but with a more elaborate scheme based on the nine families and nine male children representing (belonging-to and aligning-with) the families’ intents on a global scale. The shift is to culminate around the same time. For more info, see Digests: shift in consciousness.
Also, Elias claimed that the shift began roughly around the turn of the 20th century, some 108 years ago. Finally, Seth never gave a time frame of the beginnings of his reformation, only an ending date. To my knowledge, Kris has never addressed to this messiah mythos publicly. As always, I take both prognostications with a healthy grain of salt, as many futurists, philosophers, and thinkers have written about major changes in human recently. For example, physicist Peter Russell called it an approaching singularity or white hole in time, social philosopher and psychologist Ken Wilber called it the centaur stage of development that features “vision-logic,” sociologist Jean Gebser called it the integral-aperspectival structure-stage of collective evolution, John White predicted the emergence of a new species of human called homo noeticus, Elias’ term “shift in consciousness” is now used by The Institute for Noetic Sciences, author Arjuna Ardagh called it The Translucent Revolution, futurist Ray Kurzweil envisioned an Age of Spiritual Machines, and Eckhart Tolle called it The New Earth, and on and on we go!
[11] Joanne’s note: We’d been discussing wanting to find or make rose-scented and flavored things.
[12] Paul’s note: For the first 3-4 group sessions I gave a short overview of the Rose phenomenon, what to expect, and the like before the session began. I also included a bit about her made up words (neologisms) and their purpose to help push us out of conventional thinking, perception, and language patterns. There is now a Rose Glossary available on the website to help in this regard for anyone new to Rose.
[13] Paul’s note: We did change our minds. As time went on, we realized that Dinner & A Dead Gal is a perfect name, so we began to use it on Session 269, July 19, 2008.