“Reasons We Block Exposure”
“Rose Prescribes an Orgasm a Day”
“Physical Body, Energy Centers, and Essence”
“A School for Channelers”
“Northbound Traffic/Ascending Energy”
Session 340 (Group/Dinner and a Dead Gal)
Saturday, March 14, 2009
Participants: Joanne (Tyl), Paul (Caroll), Caryn (Hayo), Nardine (Daisy, Heathcote Vic, Australia), Christoph (Graz, Austria), and Rumi the cat.
(Rose Arrives: 4:38 PM. Arrival time 16 seconds.)
ROSE: This is so wonderful speaking with you all this evening, or this morning, as the case may be.[1] The reasons for speaking – realizing Rose, realizing the wonderful selves that you have become as well as are becoming – [are] the point.
To say that Rose knows you inside, as well as outside, as well as past, as well as future is a very big understatement, for we know you so very well that you have not any idea how much. So we’ll say just this: we know your every cell in your bodies.
We realize this may sound very strange as well as scary, even, for when you have some knowledge of another, you do what? You have ways of getting the information about someone to do what? To expose them, indeed. Don’t you have so very many fears about exposure indeed? But when you have the fears away, there are only things to discover about yourselves that are truly wonderful. These are how you have blocked your information about yourselves. These following reasons are how you’ve done this.
So we’ll begin this evening with a bit about how we want to expose you, indeed, in many ways more than you’re doing now. We won’t tarry with nudity. (Group chuckles) This isn’t what you need, indeed. This has to do with inner information that you’d find beautiful if you only allowed it. So we’ll go into our reasons now for why you block this.
Blockage number one. You have many fears about how you’ll appear to others. This is very big. This is how you realize how you’ll not fare well if only others knew about how you really are, indeed.
This is very duplicitous, isn’t it, to say that there’s a “you” who is appropriate for others’ consumption, you might say, and other “yous” that are not. This is why Rose continues to suggest the contrary self practices[2] to re-appropriate the you who you don’t think is appropriate for another’s consumption. We’ll explain a bit, but you will do well to appreciate the lessons we’ve given you online, so to speak.
Okay, so, you’ve discovered that you have more to you than anyone knows. You have ways of doing this. Every day you realize many things about yourselves. There are reasons to fear because there are not enough reasons to suggest to yourselves there is reason to explore more, for this would do what? Interrupt how others feel about you. This would corrupt their visions of you. This would corrupt the facsimile that you’ve provided them about yourselves.
But why not try to imagine that you’re on a boat in the Pacific, and you discover that there is something about the lifeboat that others need to know about. What do you do? Do you say, “Hey, I don’t know if this is in their view of what a boat in the middle of the Pacific should be like, or if I should tell someone exactly what they need to know about this boat?”
Why not try to imagine yourselves as the boat? To imagine yourselves as a very interesting, as well as potentially dangerous individual should you not be allowed to express who you really are? In other words, if you’re the boat in the Pacific that has some reasons to hide information, why not try to imagine that boat also as having the same knowledge needing to be expressed to move you to safer shores?
Indeed, there is reason to believe there is danger to not allowing yourself to express your innermost self to others. You have ways of thinking these things are meant to be hidden for fear of danger in exposing them, but we’re suggesting there’s danger in not exposing them, like the lifeboat instructions that you sense may be providing helpfulness as well as safety.
So don’t wrong on yourselves for fearing that the information is not what it should be in potentially dangerous situations. It is exactly the information you need in potentially dangerous situations, the dangers being dis-ease, discomfort, dis-credulity in how you express authenticity in your everyday lives.
So do continue to love yourselves enough to want to express the lifeboat instructions that came with you when you decided to become physical. Okay, dear ones? So do so. And we’ll allow your questions this evening, dear ones.
PAUL: I just have a follow-up question. You started out by saying that there are reasons that we block it and that the first one was fear of what others think about it, criticizing or whatever. What other reasons do we block?
ROSE: Excellent follow-up question. We do intend to express these. We will do so now unless there are other questions about the first one
NARDINE: May I acknowledge on the first one – fear of appearance or fear about how we’re perceived by others and what have you? I will acknowledge that I love to step up to my fear of exposure. I love to bravely know and trust the heart light of All-That-Is, because we cannot hide from self or other and I enjoy that challenge. I enjoy that testing of my muscles because again, I know that in truth, we do all sense the energy of each other, and when we hide from that energy of what we are giving or receiving, we’re dishonoring our light. So I love exposing myself. Ha ha! So to speak.
ROSE: We love to expose you also, dear one, for your flowers definitely need exposing indeed. So do continue to do so in spirit, for there are no real reasons to hide, indeed, anything about yourselves. You’ve learned a deep sense of shame and guilt that is very ill advised for nuns in training, indeed. Do you really think true nuns have any need to hide beneath robes that cover their entire bodies? Indeed not. There are many reasons to want to flaunt what you’ve got in every way. So do so, metaphorically speaking, of course. (Group chuckles)
Okay, so we’ll continue with reason two for blocking who you have discovered yourselves to be: this is that you’ll upset the apple cart. You’re afraid that exposing oneself will lead to the end of civilization as you know it. This is somewhat of an overstatement, of course, but you have this very firmly locked in your “credible evidence” box, for you have beliefs that if you expose yourselves, you’ll end things as you know them.
For example, if you had to discover a sexual self that you had to fear in your past, what would you do? You’d fantasize. You’d uncover things in ludicrous ways like Freudian slips, like in ways that you’d find embarrassing. You’d discover something about yourselves you’d try to hide, but it would keep coming up, as well as dreaming about this.
So you do what? You stifle that because, well, perhaps you’ve discovered that you don’t want to partake in this sort of thing, which is okay, but you do what? You don’t want to even admit this to yourselves, so you hide this, sometimes from yourselves, but you always hide this from others.
Why? Why do you think you do this? Well, you have, as we said, beliefs that this is the end of civilization as you know it. And we’re half joking, of course, but there are some beliefs still in there that you appropriate to disguise how you really think about things. These things include, one, “I think homosexuality, if left unbridled, will stop the population in its tracks, and there are reasons to fear this form of sexuality in other ways like perhaps homophobia running rampant.” You fear the responses from others, for example, or you fear the acts of sexuality, for example, but there is not any reason – legitimate reason – to really fear this sort of thing, because your expressions will only help the planet. Do you understand that?
If you had to do exactly what you wanted to do for a day, do you think that life would end as you know it, or would life really begin as you know it? What are the parallels with the birth of the universe and the birth of yourselves when you thrust yourselves into new areas? We’re not saying you need to become homosexuals to do this, but we’re suggesting this is an apt metaphor for how you have taken on your ways of spirit, because this is how you’ll take it on: by doing things that you may have considered in the past wrong in some ways. Not that you think homosexuality is wrong, but it may seem wrong for you, but not for the right reasons.
So you’ll want to consider that these things need expression. These things need heartfelt advice to yourself, so we’ll give you this: try to do more than you think you can do. That’s all you need to do – a bit more than what you think you can do – whether it’s taking on new information, taking on new challenges, taking on new fears, to resolve the fears, to resolve your health issues. We want you to consider being the change you wish to be – in every way – in the world, and so you want to consider exposing yourself for the reasons we’ve given you.
Now we’ll suggest there is a blockage number three. The reason for your potentials being blocked is also that you fear there will be repercussions in the world that are not good. You have some sense this is like the second block, and it is. But this is so worth repeating that it deserves its own number, for you have many fears about the world going to hell in a hand basket should you screw up even in the slightest. It will not. The world is fine exactly the way it is, but this doesn’t mean that you can’t try to help it, either. So don’t wrong on yourselves for not doing everything you can to change the world for the better. You have some reasons to not want to do this, but you also have reasons to expose yourselves to the world in ways that indeed will healp[3] it in every way also.
So did you try to capture those for Rose, dear weary boy?
PAUL: I did.
ROSE: You’re a very good nun.
PAUL: (Chuckles) I have captured all three so far.
NARDINE: May I make an acknowledgement?
ROSE: Please do, dear Daisy.
NARDINE: On point two, upsetting the apple cart, and how you drew the metaphor through sexual expression with that. My perception in that was we have an abhorrence in our allowance of self-gratification, and no matter how we express that through our sexuality or in any and all manners in one thing, we deny ourselves self-gratification. So that’s how I perceive the upsetting of the apple cart because in self-gratifying, I’m not necessarily putting other before myself.
And with point three, fear of repercussions in the world, tying that in through self-gratification: we’re not trusting All-That-Is, we’re not trusting the divine plan, the divine knowing that everything happens for the highest good of everyone in every moment with every expression. So tying those two together makes great sense to me, and so we do need to encourage self and other to self-gratify, to trust in the knowing of All-That-Is.
ROSE: This is such a spectacular comment that we will award gold stars to you, dear one, today. Two. Two, indeed, for the masturbation comment, indeed.
Now, we’ll suggest that this is exactly why you needed to be here this evening to bring this up. Because you’re doing the (Jo chuckles) very best thing for others when you speak up like that, don’t you? You just cut through the exposure issue posthaste while also encouraging others towards something they’re usually embarrassed about. This is geanius[4] of you to say.
This is exactly why you needed to say this, for this is perhaps the most overlooked way to gain favor with self, you might say, that is deeply solving of emotional issues, of physical issues, of spiritual issues also. This act alone has potentially the best therapeutic value you might ever imagine for yourselves, so don’t wrong on yourselves ever for this.
Indeed, embrace the sexual selves you have come here to be, as well as allow yourselves to enjoy your beautiful bodies exactly the way you’re doing. For when you allow yourselves to pleasure yourselves, you’re pleasuring all things in some ways. You’re finding value in being alive. You’re beautifully expressing the love of creation in your bodies, which is exactly why your Roses are here also.
So there’s a very strong connection with self-love and serving yourselves in spiritual ways, for when you allow yourselves to have fun in your body, you explore your deeper selves also in spirit. There is a very big connection with both, okay? So do continue to allow your expressions of exposure to Rose tonight, or in your thoughts, for we’re there to encourage you always. Okay, dear ones?
Now we’ll also say that there are reasons to expose this information to others. There are individuals who would rather get pregnant so as to prove their sexuality than self-love themselves, self-gratify themselves. Why do you think this would change the world, even in this expression? If everyone self-pleasured, what reasonable things would you expect to occur in the world as a result? Lower pregnancy rates, perhaps, right? Better health, lower incident of suicide, lower incident of legal troubles, for when you feel better you have less reason to sue someone. There are, realizing that there are some limits to this metaphor also, there are many reasons to pull this from your habitual trunk of hidden pleasures so as to allow this to be realized in objective terms by merely suggesting it to others.
For example, why not do exactly what Daisy did just now – to admit, more or less, that this is geanius, then try to move into new areas of expression by being an advocate for this kind of thing? Indeed, this is sorely needed in your world by not just adults, but children, too. They have sexual needs as well. They need to be taught this is not bad at all. Okay, dear ones? Excellent, excellent example, dear Daisy.
Now, do you have any other expressions you’d like to include tonight, or shall we move into new areas this evening?
PAUL: I just want to comment if no one else has a question. Playing off of Nardine’s self-gratification comment, you know, I went into the area of sex, drugs, and rock and roll. The way you’re talking about it, Rose, is in terms of self-love, and there’s physical, emotional, psychological, and spiritual aspects to that kind of self-love, and we do repress and deny, certainly, our sexual nature in general.
Just as I’m playing through this, I’m also wondering about the balance between a healthy form of self-gratification and when it gets out of balance into extremes, which we’ll just call addiction. There are sex addicts, there are drug addicts, there are food addicts, relationship addicts and so on. Freud has been pooh-poohed and criticized and so on, but he did have some truths in what he was talking about. He unfortunately reduced everything to sexuality and repressed sexual urges and the subconscious. He kind of got it all mixed up, but I’m just realizing that when we repress our sexual nature, whether it’s self-gratification or with other, with a partner, to healthily express that with others.
When that gets all repressed and messed up, perhaps that is what leads to this obesity issue that we have in the United States today, where, what is it, one out of four are way, way overweight. It’s one thing to be pleasantly plump and enjoy that, but it’s another thing to be 60, 80, 100 pounds overweight. That’s kind of a food addiction, whereas these other parts are being repressed so the self-gratification opens up in a more acceptable area where, well, I can eat. There’s food on the TV in commercials and so and so forth, so we’re trying to get a balanced approach to all of these things that we don’t expose and that we repress, and certainly our sexuality in the West is one of the biggest issues, so I’m just throwing that all out there.
ROSE: That is exactly right, dear one. There are many ways that sexual gratification has been pushed into other more acceptable areas like eating, drinking, carousing, even talking, shopping. Loving others, even, sometimes has some duplicity involved when the self-love is not expressed instead.
So you’re correct, there are many reasons to want to do this daily. We prescribe daily for everyone. This is exactly the thing you need to move you into areas that are not depressed, for example, not sullied by worry. This is something of a very big miracle you’ve created for yourselves that is somewhat spiritual also. So don’t ever wrong on yourselves for doing this. We very much encourage it, as well as want to say there is probably not any way you might do too much of it, indeed. There are not many reasons to fear this as “too much” ever in spite of how you’ve had this portrayed. There are really no overdoses to self-gratification, indeed.
PAUL: I think those of us who are more or less balanced – although I don’t know about present company (Laughing) I’m going to speak for myself – there seems to be a natural equilibrium process, that we test our limits. You have too much to drink, too much to eat, even too much sex, too much drugs, whatever, and then you come back from that. You realize there’s a finer moderate area where when I’m in that zone with whatever I’m doing in terms of self-love, which then of course can reflect and turn out to loving others – when I fully love myself, I can love others more fully – in a more balanced way.
So there seems to be a natural innate ability that we push our limits, we overdo it, but then we come back and learn naturally. There’s no one that has to tell us this – no holy book or set of laws or other decrees except basic common sense when you get down to that – we innately have a basic common sense to help us through that, and get through the guilt and shame parts of it and expose ourselves, those parts, and get on with it.
ROSE: There are really no reasons at all to ever fear this in ways that you’ll find funny. Your genitals will not fall off should you do this too often, in spite of how you’ve been taught. Now, there are reasons for doing things in moderation, but you’ve been raised to believe, for example, that you’ll go blind. (Group laughs) Okay? So this is what you’re up against here.
In this, you’ll discover many reasons to fear only that you’re not doing this enough, okay? Even in marital situations, there’s only yourself in the long run, and as the weary boy says, “everyone’s responsible for their own orgasm,” indeed.[5] (Humorously) We’re exposing you this evening, dear one. So that’s why you in very wonderful marriages also need to do what you need to do to get your sexual satisfaction. It’s up to you only, not your spouse, to do this. Okay? So do so. Sometimes you need to take matters into your own... (Jo laughing)
CARYN: ...own hands! (Laughter)
ROSE: Indeed! So do so. And we’ll assist! (More laughter)
NARDINE: Another comment, if I may on this with regards to self-gratification, and I’ll acknowledge for the record I wasn’t actually speaking of masturbation, but I certainly see how it comes into the umbrella. But I was more talking about self-gratification across all our living experience, and how self-gratification then unfolds into self-sustaining happiness. If we don’t honor our self-sustaining happiness, it’s the denial of that aspect of our self, or the disclaiming of the responsibility for our self, which is part of our patterns of millennia where we’ve been going into codependence, martyrdom, addiction, denial of responsibility to self. That’s part of, as I see it, this new age, this new world, this now that we’re living and exampling through to others. Self-sustaining happiness – boy, that’s a tongue-twister – is something that should be, or will be, integral to all of us as we become more whole, healthier, and more loving.
ROSE: You’re correct. This is very important in the world, for there are reasons to want to explore the world in happier ways. This is exactly one way to do this, however. Another way is to love others. These are not self-exposing, necessarily, though. These are somewhat safe areas to explore. Self-love is a very generic term, in some ways, but we’ll expose a bit more about this in the process of explaining our take on your beautiful comment.
The reasons you have for self-love are to love all things, because you’re all things, correct? So you’re exploring the self you are in spiritual ways, in loving ways, in “only loving self” ways, too. These are all combined together, in some ways. So to say this another way: to love self is to also love the universe as well. So to say that you love self is therefore even more generalized when you look at things this way.
We want you to explore how to love self in new ways only, not old ways. Old ways are being polite to others. This is very important. We’re not suggesting this is not important, but sometimes you heed the call of manners too often when you should be being totally unmannered, indeed, or totally ill-behaved, or totally gnarly in ways that don’t become you at all. These are truly ugly ways of being in the world at times, ugly in the sense of how you define it presently. Not the way we want you to define ugly in the future: ugly meaning ill-tempered, ill-suited for public consumption, ill-at-ease, causing discomfort, causing uncertainty at best.
To say this another way, we want you to be contrary to others, to yourselves even. For when you embrace the contrary self – when you expose her also – you’ll discover your real self, not the self that wants to have love thrown in bouquets towards them all the time. This is the self that invites paint being spattered on you. This invites people hurling debris at you for doing exactly the thing you need to at any given moment. This is not to say that those who have things hurled at them are necessarily doing the right things. They are not necessarily. They could be doing bad things.
We’re suggesting that you don’t need others to approve of you all the time. There are some reasons to want this, but you’ll know the ways that you’ll need to go about doing what you need to do. Sometimes you’ll not get the platitudes you think you need. You don’t need the platitudes you think you do if you really want to embrace who you are. You’ll discover there are mountains of good bouquets ready to be thrown at you at any given time, even when you’re doing things that you don’t feel are proper. Okay? So do so, and we’ll assist as always.
PAUL: As always. (Laughing)
ROSE: Do you have any questions, dear ones, before we break for dinner? We’ve got a few minutes to go before then.
CARYN: I just want to say, the more and more I began to understand and know and feel that on some level we all are each other, and that on some level we all already know these things about each other, it just was so much easier for me to just be who I was and expose myself because I knew that even if the person standing in front of me wasn’t liking what I was displaying or not understanding or being confused, that on some level they did and they know me better than maybe I would know myself.
ROSE: They do, and you’ll discover there are reasons to want to not be the person they love exactly at first take, so to speak. So there are many reasons to be whoever you are to get them thinking in new ways at times, indeed. So do so. You’ll adjust in emotional ways in time. These are all things you’re all learning, too, so you’re getting others involved in your experiments healp you to do more things like this also. Okay? You’re all learning this.
So do continue to allow your best selves to thrive in every way, as finding of fears healp you also. This is the point. Fears help you move into new areas. So, for example, you’ve discovered that not everyone will “get” you all the time. This is a fear, perhaps. The fear could be turned into a friend if you say, “They don’t have to. This is my fear: that I believe that people all need to love me. They don’t. So my fear healps me move into new areas that I’ll find more satisfying.” Indeed. So do so.
We’ll break for now, then we’ll come back a bit later with “northbound traffic.” We’ll say more at another time, indeed. Okay!
NARDINE: Wonderful!
PAUL: Thank you, Rose.
NARDINE: Thank you.
ROSE: Thank you.
BREAK: 5:23 PM.
RESUME: 6:04 PM.[6]
ROSE: ...say that effortlessness is about hiding is not the case here. Effortlessness is about not hiding so as to do things more naturally, okay? So we’ll allow your questions about effortlessness or about hiding things or exposing things, but do try to take on this subject a bit more before you go about asking other questions, okay, dear ones?
PAUL: Rose, can I just ask you a favor, as I forgot to turn the recorders on when we started, so the last five minutes have not been recorded and I think you said something very important.
NARDINE: Absolutely.
PAUL: So for the record, you started with reasons to hide things as well, if you could just summarize that point for us.
ROSE: Reasons to hide things include how you’ll go about your business in the workplace, for example, by not treading on someone’s territory too much if it’s not called for. Sometimes you need to do things effortlessly that involve using your sense of compassion as well as empathy to not hide things too much.
But sometimes you need to hide things, like tealling someone how you feel about them. That is sometimes not called for. Or tealling someone you don’t know who they are when you want to be allowing yourself time to remember who they are. We’re not suggesting that you only hide things[7] for good reasons. Sometimes you hide things for bad reasons. That’s our point. Sometimes you need to hide things, though, also, like birthday plans for someone. You wouldn’t tell someone that the birthday plans for them are in process when it’s a surprise birthday party, correct? So there are some reasons to hide things that are exposing of your greater self also, okay? These are examples of those kinds of things.
Now we’ll also suggest there are reasons to want to hide things in spite of how you may feel at times. Sometimes you may want to really let someone have it. Sometimes this is not the best way to go about bringing about change, for example.
So we’re not suggesting you always expose everything. We’re suggesting that sometimes you work too hard to hide things, as well as use too much effort to do things in general, as well as said there are reasons to fear only the things that you have in your way, not effortful things. Effortlessness is not effortless in the sense there is not any effort. There is action, not effort in as much as these things are different, they are indeed. So effortlessness doesn’t mean not taking action, okay? We hope we clarified as well as summarized for you.
PAUL: That was awesome. That was right according to my notes. Thank you.
ROSE: Okay. We give ourselves a gold star. (Paul chuckles and agrees) Do you have any questions about effortlessness, or action, or hiding, or exposing this evening, dear ones, before we move on to our next topics?
PAUL: I will comment about a topic that’s related. You hear the word “transparency” coming from our government officials, and it’s something that we could certainly use in terms of regulating the banking industry and corporate health versus malfeasance, a type of transparency in business practices, so it’s a type of honesty. What I hear you saying is a kind of transparency and pushing for that because we hide so much and keep things close to the vest, so to speak.
And yet, on the other hand, we’re not talking about taking it to extremes, a very radical transparency, where I always tell you what’s on my mind, my every feeling, because it can be rude and it can ultimately become quite manipulative and mean-spirited, too, and there are times where it’s best for me to keep my damn opinion to my damn self, and to do that because I’m in relationship with other always, and it’s a balancing element between transparency and when radical transparency just gets out of hand. So I always come back to the word “equilibrium.”
CARYN: Well, I think, too, that that’s why it’s important to hone our powers of discernment, because then we can discern when it’s best to hide things and when it’s best to expose.
PAUL: Be out there and be in someone’s face at times, as unpleasant as that can be, I mean, “objects hurled at us,” as you said earlier this evening.
ROSE: This is exactly right, dear ones, for when you realize equanimity, you’ll begin to understand how very differently people process things, as well as how they must do this in their own ways. So to say there are reasons for allowing them also is part of this process that you’re going through. Allowing them to be who they are, as well as allowing yourselves to be who you are with equanimity for even the things you have hiding in you. Okay? So do due process to your hidden things and you’ll discover also the reasons you’ll want to not hide them any longer.
Okay, dear ones? Now we’ll allow more comments or questions, then on to more questions from the audience members this evening, dear ones. Anything else?
PAUL: Christoph, we haven’t heard from you yet, do you have some questions?
CHRISTOPH: Yes, but on another topic, if it’s okay?
ROSE: Yes, dear Christoph, go ahead. We’ve been looking forward to speaking with you this evening, dear one.
CHRISTOPH: Okay, let’s say there are these three elements: my physical body, and essence, and the energy centers. But how are these things related? My assessment would be that essence is creating of the physical body or physical bodies through the energy centers from the inside out. Is this correct?
ROSE: This is absolutely wrong, only in the sense that essence is not creating the body through the energy centers, only through your energy centers also. We’ll explain, for this is a very subtle energy we’re discussing here.
You have to get past the ideas that the energy centers are subtle energy. They are not. They are physical energy done in ways that involve subtle energy, but are not. They are truly physical in every way. Now, this is not to say you’re absolutely wrong in the statement. We’re only trying to shake you up a bit to get you thinking about physicality more, for there’s reason to examine your beliefs about this so as to open up the apertures, so to speak, of your own physicality as well as your own medical practice, okay? We’re not suggesting you’re wrong in asking your question. We want to only sogest[8] that there are reasons to want to think very differently about this dear one, okay? Now, we’ll say more about this now.
The reasons you have of thinking about subtle energy as not being human is correct in some ways. Subtle energies allow humanity, though. They are the reasons you’re human in some ways. But they are also human in ways that are different than how you’re thinking of them.
For example, subtle energies have play in essence-land. They have play in all things, so to speak. So to say they are also human is sounding like a paradox, but this is incorrect. It is humanity that is subtle in itself. There is not any distinction between how you’re spiritual and how your body works.
This is a very big point to make to you, dear one, for your considering essence as outside you is why we’re being very forceful tonight, okay? So we’re doing so because we love you, and we want you to express to yourself how very beautiful your body is as spiritual place, in a sense, as spiritual lives are inhabiting every cell in your body, okay?
So do, contrary to your beliefs, allow yourself to express how the subtle energy is your heart, is your lungs, is your brain, your skin, and so on, while suggesting to yourself that the energy centers are also physical energy as well as essence being physical energy. Okay, dear one?
CHRISTOPH: Okay.
ROSE: Okay. We hope we’ve answered your question for you, dear one.
CHRISTOPH: Yes. Thank you.
ROSE: You’re very welcome. We hope you’ve allowed yourself to heal your habitual left-side dear one, have you?
CHRISTOPH: Um, done what?
ROSE: Have you healed your side?
CHRISTOPH: You mean my right side?
ROSE: Your left side we thought it was. Your left side is the intuitive side.
CHRISTOPH: Yes. I have had problems on the left.
ROSE: On your left side, correct, you had problems?
CHRISTOPH: On my right side.
ROSE: On your right side. Sorry. We were testing you.
CHRISTOPH: Hmmm.
ROSE: Indeed. So we’ll suggest we were incorrect about that. But how to say this better than to have you correct Rose this evening? How better to express to you how you’ll do well to consider yourself better than Rose in some ways? We have to do these things to get you out of thinking about how you’re not only physical, but only human, too. For you’re as dearly created as any essence is so as to enjoy a physical reality that is truly remarkable. So do take on the Roses when you want to suggest to yourselves that you’re better in every way than us.
We sound inane right now, we know that. But consider how you’re everything we are, somewhat in different ways at times, but sometimes even more than we are. Okay, dear one?
CHRISTOPH: Okay.
ROSE: Okay. So, we’ll continue with questions this evening, dear ones.
PAUL: Can I come back to Christoph’s original question about essence, energy centers, and body because I’m not sure I understood the answer. And maybe I didn’t understand the question fully, either, but to me the nature of this question was dealing with the function of the energy centers in relation to non-physical source or essence, and then the physical manifestation of the body may be seen to function as a kind of a mediating for subtle energy into physical quantum field manifest energy. And yet, I realize, too, that every cell in our body has a non-physical counterpart as well.
So the energy centers, even though they’re classically attributed to the spinal areas in terms of central nervous system function and whatnot, they’re certainly as an energy center very important in regulating flows of energy from the spectrum of red all the way up through white, magenta, and black, according to the Elias energy centers that we have talked about.[9] And yet, it’s almost like every cell and the quantum fields that make up every cell have their own miniature harmonics of energy centers that relate to the major energy centers. Is that somewhat accurate in terms of function?
ROSE: This is correct, but not exactly the way you’ve described, for there are reasons to not want to associate the energy centers directly with essence for these reasons. There are reasons to want to associate with physical reality more than essence, because they are centers only, not habitual portals of essence as is described by Christoph earlier. They are not portals of essence as he was suggesting.
PAUL: Okay. Fair enough. But also, then, just since we’re dealing with Elias’s energy centers, and I think there’s eleven or so. Specifically the white, the black, and the magenta behind the forehead. From purple down to red, they’re all body-dealing-with. But these three behind deal with, according to Elias, Regional Area 2 and 3 and then, you know “beyond infinity” as it were.
So I’m trying to make a distinction between, which I don’t think Christoph made in his original question – he just lumped them all together – that perhaps these three behind the head that Elias talks about seem to have a more direct function to non-physical domains that we’re simultaneously nested within, whereas purple through red are certainly a function of Regional Area 1 as Elias would call it, which is the body expressed as quantum fields.
ROSE: Then you have answered your own question, for you just gave us an explanation of how every cell in your body is infinite in itself, correct? It is made up of quantum fields, your body, right?
PAUL: Right.
ROSE: So it is therefore infinite in itself, correct?
PAUL: Correct.
ROSE: Okay.
PAUL: But I was just making a distinction between those three. There’s not a lot in the literature out there on subtle energies of this white, black, and magenta at all, so it’s rather unique to this local school of teaching that we’re involved in, and I was just probing in that area based on Christoph’s question to just get some more....
ROSE: We were testing him a bit, yes, to get to the heart of the matter. We did not want to make it so strongly. We don’t want to say absolutely wrong. It wasn’t expressed directly as we wanted. It was sort of wrong to suggest these were different. So we apologize to Christoph, for the translation didn’t come through.
The translation was involved to healp you get the answers to the questions yourselves, though. For why not try to allow yourselves to come to your own conclusions, in some ways? When you helped yourself to Rose’s answer, you did what? You learned to tune into your own explanations about that, correct? You had a deeper sense about how these things worked than you had going on with Rose. You helped yourself to your own answers in spirit, why? To get to the heart of the matter. How? By allowing yourselves to tune into matter that you’ll find subtle. Matter of the brain, for example, helped you to your conclusions as well as the answers. How did you get that information? Through your subtle body, yes, but also through your brain.
How to suggest to you how very important a physical brain is than to help you answer your question to Rose in the same way you came up with it? The brain has many magical properties to it. We’re trying to get you simply to allow yourselves to consider how very happy we are to help you learn to use your bodies better. That’s all. Not to say “I want to be more subtle,” but teall yourselves how subtle energy is you. That’s all.
The subtle energy is your brain, your body. Everything you are is subtle energy, but you have ways of finding differences too much. That’s why your Roses are attempting to stratify in subtler ways, pardon the pun, for to suggest there are huge differences between the subtle and physical bodies is incorrect. There are indistinguishable differences, in many ways, between the physical and the subtle bodies, dear ones. Okay?
That’s all we’re saying. The question was a very excellent one, Christoph, very excellent indeed, for you’re learning to use the Rose information to achieve more in your learning of others as well. You’re teaching others in every way, every day. So do continue to ask your questions. We hope you haven’t been overly confused by Rose this evening, dear ones. Okay?
CHRISTOPH: Yes. I have no more questions about it, thank you.
ROSE: How is your right side doing, dear Christoph?
CHRISTOPH: Oh Rose, only my right knee hurts sometimes, but my wrist is okay.
ROSE: You’re doing a wonderful job in tuning into your intuitive side. Okay? So do continue to promise to yourself a trip to India this summer, dear one, okay?
CHRISTOPH: Okay.
ROSE: Okay. We want to help you do that. Okay. Any other questions, dear ones?
PAUL: Are you going to India this summer, Christoph?
CHRISTOPH: Yes, I will for two months.
PAUL: Oh wonderful!
CHRISTOPH: August and September.
PAUL: Oh fabulous. I can’t wait to hear about your great adventures in the “holy land.” (Chuckling) Sounds great. Do you have a trip already planned out, then?
CHRISTOPH: I have the flight now. [inaudible]
ROSE: That’s good.
PAUL: Great. Wonderful, wonderful. I look forward to hearing about it.
ROSE: That’s geanius, dear one. Do continue to use your beautiful mind to engage the wonderful self you’re becoming, for you’re indeed moving into brand new vistas. Okay, dear ones? Now, do you have any other questions this evening? Or shall we wrap things up with a monologue before we go?
NARDINE: No, no, no! (Group laughs)
ROSE: There are enough monologues indeed.
NARDINE: No, no, you’re welcome to the monologue, but let me make a comment and a question if I may?
ROSE: Yes.
NARDINE: Just, I’m acknowledging our pre-break talk where you spoke of the contrary self and tealling and what have you, and tying in Christoph’s question and acknowledging how for myself in recent weeks I’ve seen or observed a see-sawing of movement within myself, and how that movement I kind of see as a nurturing of my contrary self and a creating of balance in my expressions.
And I have recognized a pattern in recent days where my contrary self, in honoring myself, has been stuck in old patterns and programs of denial of expression or openness or choice, and those patterns have been wanting to create a balance of expression. I can now see that that balance is integral to honoring myself and others, and yet with compassion for other, but with a primary compassion for myself, so that I don’t deny my preferences, my choices.
And I found that that was a very interesting aspect within the body, and emotionally, and mentally. And I just thought that that was quite interesting how literally to the whole of me, allowing the whole of me is innate in that process of literally all light, all energy, all love be expressed. I feel how some of my old patterns and programs denied my preferences and my choices. So I think that’s interesting to recognize how our body, when you trust it, when you listen to it, when we allow our fears to guide us can permit us to have a more wholeness of being and choice in each moment.
So that was an interesting aspect for myself, however also one other thing I wanted to acknowledge is reading all of this learning within myself. Part of my patterns and processes and learning have been through my work with the Sethnet journal, and the March Sethnet journal, I found through relating with one of our NewWorldView members, Sylvia. I was able to encourage her to allow herself to publish some of her auto writing from her "Real or no" thread in the NewWorldView forum.
Our exchange has led me to know that Sylvia and I share more spaces than this one and that our heart connections go very deep. Now, I’ve been wanting to nurture her trust in her channeling abilities. My perception is that they’re very real, and I wondered if you would be so kind as to offer your perception of Sylvia’s autowriting and channeling ability, and see whether you would also be happy to offer knowing of the space and time that Sylvia and I share. Because it’s taken great courage for her to step up and express herself as we know it does for all of us, and I just thought if you had something to say to Sylvia, that would be wonderful.
ROSE: We do! Thank you for allowing the Sylvia-goddess to shine tonight. For she deserves a very big shout-out from all of us essences for her hard work, her diligence, as well as her courage in lovingly, indeed, providing her expressions to the universe.
So she deserves your very big congratulations, too, for doing the work is not an easy task, nor is the publishing of the work, indeed. For you’re very aware others are very willing to suggest this is wrong in some way, or heresy to think you’d be able to do the work of the gods, indeed! That’s not kosher! Even to those who often follow the channeled information that others do for them as well.
So this is a very important thing that Sylvia is doing for all of you, for all of your readings in spirit are those that are invited into your spaces. Even the readings that you don’t find valuable are in some ways due to the very fact how they came to be. So even if you don’t enjoy a Bashar, or an Abraham[10], or what have you, these are very important in and of themselves, for they are expressions of you in your “deepest selves” sense of the word. So do continue to allow these beautiful expressions to thrive so as to allow your best selves to be happier people.
Indeed, Sylvia did a very geanius thing to allow her inner self to thrive online as well as to allow her inner self to thrive inwardly, for there are many benefits to not hiding these gifts, dear ones, as Sylvia has beautifully portrayed to you. She is wanting to have some degree of freedom that is now often available to her due to her expressions. So in other words, she’s been able to allow more self by allowing more Self. Okay? So we want to congratulate her in a very big way, for her courage as well as her deep-seated geanius that is being encouraged now.
So do continue to allow yourselves to understand the meaning behind the words “channeling,” for you’re doing the work of the gods, dear one. So Sylvia is indeed in our pantheon of junior goddesses, [as] we’ll call her, okay? So do continue to allow the best expressions for yourselves, indeed. You’re doing gods’ work in the world when you do.
Now we’ll suggest that there are reasons to want to love yourselves more – all of you. There’s not any reason to consider yourselves any less than Rose or any other goddess, indeed. These are very different times ahead, and you’ll discover more godliness in every way in yourselves as well as others. So while Sylvia is behaving more goddess-like, this is to say this is also in you as well. So do behave as if she’s setting the bar for in order to allow your best expressions.
Okay, now, we’ll suggest you have many focuses together. These are habitual in nunny ways. You are nuns together in heretic times, to say the least. You were heretics in the way of spirit. You have your own channeling things going on. This is heresy to the church fathers in your times then. (Humorously) They are very much like they are now, so you’re continuing to allow your heretical expressions even now.
Of course, these times are more forgiving in that regard than they were then. You had a very deathly allowance for your critical skills. You died in pursuit of your manners of expression. You had to be hanged by the neck because of your expressions, so you’re enjoying now what you did not then: the freedom to pursue the actions you’re doing even now, dear ones. So we suggest you embrace this freedom so as to send loving energy to the women you were then who were not allowed to. Okay, dear ones? Indeed.
We’ll suggest many of you have expressions that are forgiving of others in this respect. You’re the heretics then, you’re also the church fathers at times. So don’t wrong on them. They are you also, dear ones. Okay? So we’ll allow more questions if you care to this evening.
PAUL: I just wanted to acknowledge also on NewWorldView on the forums there that it’s a place that we try to make a nurturing environment for people like Sylvia, who are starting to autotype or starting to channel, to feel safe in publicly putting stuff out there and getting constructive feedback on it rather than destructive feedback. You know, it’s very difficult getting started in that regard because there’s really no officially accepted schools that I know of. There must be some private esoteric ones that are out there, and so I also wanted to recognize Lloyd a.k.a. Grey Bear in his Conversations with Myself on the Inner Visions Journal that was founded by Ellen Gilbert as well, who is doing channeling work now with Will, as well as Emmy Van Swaaij and her Defrene that she shared with us on NewWorldView and has worked on the Kris Chronicles.
There’s more, of course, too, but I just wanted to point out that this is an ability that we all have that Rose has said before, and it’s wonderful to see slowly but surely, at least in these NewWorldView discussion forums, that people can come out and share something, put it out there and say, “Am I crazy? What do you all think about this?” And to get four or five people saying, “Hey, this feels authentic, keep it up,” and looking at the content and trying to offer some discernment and interpretation and suggestions. So I just feel very blessed and appreciative of the environment and of folks like Nardine and the others on there, too, that are helping and participating and making this a little bit better-known skill.
NARDINE: Here, here.
ROSE: That’s exactly right to say: that you need to allow them to thrive in that arena by allowing them the loving kindness that they deserve for getting out of their way. This is easier said than done, so when others offer insights, this is also true. They need to get out of their way also by allowing their ego-selves to lessen their grip on their responses.
For example, sometimes there’s a very big degree of envy in regard to how others may do things that you may want to do. So this can get in the way. It’s a fear of not being adequate. So this is a good one to loosen its grip on your responses.
Another is to say, “I don’t do this at all – loosen my grip, that is. I like to stay focused on however I need to to deem this right or not.” This is not the point, either. Sometimes information is not exactly right or correct or even something someone connects with. This doesn’t mean it doesn’t have value.
So there needs to be heart-centered feedback – you’ll like that one, Daisy, indeed – that is allowed to thrive also. Heart-centered feedback will always make the right suggestions for someone. You can suggest so as to healp them ways to be better.
For example, “How about trying to do this sober?” is one that came up recently, correct?[11] “How about trying to do this while not suggesting to yourself you need to be perfect?” as weary girl knows. How about suggesting to someone, “What about doing this in the morning when you’re a bit fresher, perhaps?” or, “How about doing this while under the influence of a self that is higher than the one that is in charge in this instance?” These are all very accurate ways to predicate a conversation that you have to have with them to healp them realize you’re trying to healp, not harm. This is important to do.
So do continue to assist others in their way of channeling. Now, these can be in any way possible, also. There are multitudinous ways to channel. Individuals will do so differently all the time. In other words, channeling is unique to each individual, the style of which is inherent in an individual’s intentionality. So do continue to allow yourselves to channel your efforts as channeling healpers so as to get the best selves you have in you to encourage others to be who they are also. Okay, dear ones?
Now, we’ll suggest also, there are reasons to want to form a school for channelers. We’ll suggest there will be many more to come up from the ranks that you’ll need to be ready for if you’d like to do something like that. For there are really simple ways to form yourselves around healping others that are easy as well as fun.
You don’t need to form a bricks-and-mortar school building with a bell on top to ring in people for lunch every day. You can try to allow yourselves to begin to form a sort of “school of spirit” that allows you to form a rank and file of those who have achieved a certain merit, for example. Publishing their information online is an easy one to formulate, isn’t it? You have ways of getting to the heart of the matter, Nardine. You might want to try this on your own. Be a guide for channelers, in a sense. How about that for a plan, indeed?
So do continue to allow your beautiful expressions to thrive in healping Sylvia as well as others to connect with their deeper selves, as in the process you’ll discover more about yourselves too. Okay? Now are there any other questions, dear ones?
PAUL: I just have another comment in terms of channeling school or NewWorldView and just helping others to embrace channeling and develop their abilities, which takes time: I’ve always used the metaphor of a rock band. It’s very similar. For every Rolling Stones, Beatles, Madonna, Coldplay, and so on, there are 1000 other bands that were almost as good but never got as popular. There’s always a lot going on out there, but you only get – the cream rises to the top, and then there’s other tiers in terms of quality and what gets out there in terms of what social structures allow for commercially speaking and other things, too.
So for those who are interested in learning to channel and developing their channeling abilities, the metaphor of being in a rock band I think is helpful because you don’t just get a guitar and write a song, and then become the Beatles. There’s a certain alchemy and chemistry and talent involved, and that there’s a certain community that works to promote this thing and to develop it in time and get it out there. And it is very possible to achieve something like Seth or the more popularly known channels like Abraham and Ramtha[12], and even Bashar that have been out there for decades now, and of course, Seth and whatnot.
So I just wanted to throw that notion out there to people who are thinking about developing their channeling skills to think of what it would be like to form your own band and what’s involved in getting ahead in the band business if that’s really what you’re into, or just doing it privately and being more personally involved. There’s a whole spectrum of different ways you can do this thing. So that’s just some other ideas to complement what Rose and Nardine have said tonight.
ROSE: Very well, too, and we’ll also say that practice makes perfect. Not perfect in the sense that you’ll ever need to be perfect, dear ones, but practice is a very important element. This is why we suggest Vespers[13] every day, in the morning if possible, to healp you get this on your daily tracks, so to speak. Okay? So we’ll suggest the Vespers are for allowing these things to thrive. Okay? Now did you have a question or comment, dear one?
CARYN: I just had a quick question. What is the difference between Nardine’s Daisy and my mom’s Daisy?
ROSE: Daisy is a word that is used to describe her essence name, that’s all. The Daisy of your mother is not an essence name, is it?
CARYN: Well Elias told me that was her essence name.
ROSE: So Elias has told you her name is Daisy. Her essence name is Daisy, correct? But Rose has not told you this. So the Daisy you have as your mother is the same in some ways as Daisy on the line. For this is the same essence as your Nardine. Interesting...
NARDINE: Wow. Cool, Caryn.
ROSE: Very good promise of finding out more about both women, indeed, in this. Okay? So do contemplate these differences as well as changes you have in mind towards your mother. Then allow them to occur in spirit, but not eventually in physical reality. You know what we mean, we think. Okay?
So do so, and we’ll allow your questions about Daisies or anything else you’d like indeed. Okay, we’ll end for the evening then. We want to teall you have a very beautiful week. You’ll get a very big promise of a very big sort of news in the air. Okay? We’ll be very broadly defining a big surprise this week. A good one, okay, not a bad one. We’ll leave you with that. Okay, dear ones?
PAUL: That’s intriguing.
ROSE: Okay, we’ll say adieu for now. We’ll love you in spirit always as well as in your very hearts as well as bodies, indeed, dear ones. Okay? Good evening.
GROUP: Thank you
(Rose Departs: 6:56 PM.)
RESUME 7:06 PM.
PAUL: This is an addendum about “Northbound Traffic.”
JO: Was that your memory of it, Caryn? Northbound Traffic? All right. Here we go.
PAUL: Can I be Vicki for a second? I’m channeling Vicki now from the early Elias sessions.
(Humorously) “So Rose, what’s up with that 'Northbound Traffic' comment? What was that supposed to mean? I don’t get it.”
ROSE: Northbound, in this sense, this sounds silly, we know, but northbound in the sense that you’re doing wonderful things north of here, spiritually north of here. So when you have sense of finding us northbound of you, sonter us, but realize we’re all directions at once.
There are reasons to fear the things you’ve connected with the Earth. That’s why you suggest to yourselves a very much higher dimension than you have really potentiating at all times. So “northbound” suggests the ascending self that your contrary selves want to impress otherwise on.
So Christoph, for example, had a question about essence being in your body through your energy centers. So you also questioned how reasonable it was for Rose to answer so directly to him. This has to do with beliefs about northbound ascending energy as well as descending energy into you. But to say this another way, the energy is in everything you know, as well as beyond in all directions. That’s all it means. This was a very small prophecy about the direction, ha ha, of the questions coming up in the second half of the evening.
CARYN: I was going to ask some questions about ascension.
ROSE: Okay, do so.
CARYN: Well, there’s a fear that when we die, that we’re somehow absorbed into our essence and we’re lost. And the way I think that it’s a little bit nicer to think about it is, for instance, I’m sitting here and I’m aware of being me, but then what if at the same time I was also aware of being Paul, and then if I can continue that and I can keep expanding the amount of beings that I’m aware of being that’s kind of like how you are not absorbed into your essence. You just open your awareness of being all of these things at once. My question was, can essence then also open its awareness to other essences going all the way back to God?
ROSE: That’s exactly right, in all directions indeed. You’ve got it. There’s not any reason to explain it more than you have. It’s a sideways affair, as well.
PAUL: And just a comment on that, researching my book and reading some Seth Speaks yesterday, I think it’s towards the end where there are some questions being asked or it’s in an appendix, where Seth is talking about his own self, and these other personalities, he’s giving information on his reincarnational and/or probable selves. He was a pope in the third century, for example, a spice merchant, and so on. He talked about possibly doing a book where he would... He couldn’t remember them in that focus he was holding through Jane and that energy exchange, but he said he would have to allow them to come through and speak for themselves, which is very titillating and evocative of multidimensional personality and how it would be working through us at this time.[14]
Then the other comment that he makes was that they’re still there, and yet they’ve gone their own ways. So while the body lives and dies in Framework 1 terms, within Framework 2 or 3 or 4[15], because these are the four that Seth and Elias have elaborated on, there seems to be some ongoing process of where Caryn and Paul are still doing something and go their own way, and yet, through this sideways thing of expansion, and then of course the intellectual mind can only grasp so much you have to let go of it, so there’s something that goes on.
And Seth is repetitive in that nothing’s ever lost, and it seems like almost a truth that in All-That-Is all experience is remembered somehow and maintained. And it’s forgotten temporarily in all these endless contexts, and yet there are other endless contexts where it’s remembered and can be remembered as well, and sort of is what drives All-That-Is through all these sideways, up-ways multidimensional things, right Rose?
ROSE: Dear one, yes, right, indeed also. We’ll not need to say any more except that you are doing exactly the work you need to do.
So do continue to have your beautiful expressions to help you move into the areas you need to, for there are multitudinous ways to do so. So only allow to get to where you have wanted to be. That’s all you need to do. Then move sideways or whatever way you choose. The abilities are great, as well as astounding to you, once you experience the things you are getting a very big intellectual grasp onto. Okay?
Okay dear ones, we’ll say adieu for now. We have many reasons to want to “pop in” from time to time. We are happy to do so.
(Rose Departs 7:13 PM.)
(Transcribed by Dan Feeney, July 20, 2009.)
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Endnotes:
[1] Joanne’s note: It was morning in Australia, where Nardine was calling from.
[2] Joanne’s note: The contrary self is the self that has sometimes needed to hide in order to be in the world and “play nice” but is as well the best self because it allows us to speak and do things that are our most authentic and best expressions, even though they may come out in “not nice” ways. For more information see The Beautiful Contrary Self: An Introduction and additional articles and Teachings.
[3] Joanne’s note: The neologism (made-up word) “healp” is a combination of help and heal. For more info, see The Rose Glossary.
[4] Joanne’s note: This is one of Rose’s neologisms (made-up words), a combination of genes and genius. For more info, see The Rose Glossary.
[5] Paul’s note: To be clear, I don’t define this in some kind of narcissistic free for all. On the contrary, my view is that when in a loving partnership, it is critical to take responsibility to communicate to your partner what turns you on and what doesn’t, as well as find out what turns them on and what doesn’t. In this way, by offering constructive suggestions on how your partner can pleasure you and vice versa, you take responsibility for your own orgasm while contributing to the deep, mutual satisfaction of your partner.
[6] Paul’s note: I forgot to turn on the recorders after break, so we join Rose in mid-sentence. I asked Rose to restate her main points from the five minutes or so that we missed, and Rose didn’t skip a beat. She simply summarized her main points and continued.
[7] Joanne’s note: This was originally “in hiding things, you do only hiding things…”
[8] Joanne’s note: This is a made-up word that Rose defined when I transcribed the session. “This word means sonter as well as suggest, meaning to allow the real-time understanding of our words through sontering.” Sonter means “[The] breathing in of essence. When you are sensing your breath as a form of consciousness, and not an intrusion, you may begin to relax into your breathing as a beautiful reminder that you are essence, you breathe essence, and all of your creation is exactly as your essence cocreates it with you.” ~ Session 67, June 13, 2007
[9] Paul’s note: For more information, see Digests: Energy Centers and Regional Areas of Consciousness.
[10] Paul’s note: Bashar is channeled by Daryl Anka and Abraham is channeled by Ester Hicks.
[11] Joanne’s note: We’d recently become aware of a woman who channeled, but would only do so while drunk.
[12] Paul’s note: Ramtha is channeled by J. Z. Knight.
[13] Joanne’s note: Vespers are the critical, daily (preferably morning) practice of communication with essence. Vespers can help you through personal issues, to learn how to identify and allow your emerging abilities, and to help you find your bliss. For more information, see Vespers.
[14] Joanne’s note: This is to me a fascinating comment about Seth’s not being able to fully remember his focuses while holding his focus with Jane and the energy exchange, and that he would simply let them speak for themselves. I’ve had the same experience with Rose, who has no physical focuses but is a progenitor of many millions of essences who have them. I imagine this is has to do with why I’m able to let other focuses speak through me in a mediumistic way, and wonder about the extent of her “reach,” ontologically speaking.
[15] Paul’s note: Seth’s Frameworks 1-4 cover the same “levels of reality” as Elias’ Regional Areas 1-4. They just use different words to describe the same thing.
