“Prescient Presence of Spirit”

“Sontering Essence – Breathe In Your Beautiful Self”

“Self With a small ‘s’ and A Big ‘S’”

“Fone Home”

“More on Tests”

“Charlie’s Escapade Redux”

“Similarities and Differences between Rose and Elias”

Session 272 (Group/Dinner & A Dead Gal)

Saturday, August 02, 2008

Participants: Joanne (Tyl), Paul (Caroll), Ursula, George, Frieda (Brenda), Joe, Catherine, Rodney, Arianna, Sue, Tom, Nardine, Cynthia, and Rumi the cat.

(Paul’s note: We recently purchased a high quality conference phone and tested it out with family and friends during the previous group session. We also changed the name of our sessions to Dinner & A Dead Gal. So this was our first, official international session, and there were participants from three countries! Frieda in Pennsylvania, Joe in Colorado, Catherine in Tennessee, Rodney in New Jersey, Arianna & Sue in Alberta, Canada, Tom in New Jersey, Nardine in Heathcote-Vic, Australia, and Cynthia in Oklahoma.)

(Rose Arrives: 4:45 PM.)

ROSE: (Cheerfully) Can you hear us, dear ones?

FRIEDA: Yes.

ROSE: Indeed, we want to say that you all look lovely today. Indeed, we can see you and we can feal[1] your energy as well. Can you still hear us, dear ones? (Pausing as beeps and noises sound on line.)

PAUL: Are we still connected?

FEMALE: Yes.

PAUL: Okay, thank you.

ROSE: Can you feal us…

NARDINE: Yes.

ROSE: …today, yes, as well as see us in spirit, in a sense? We are there with each and every one of you today. So trust that we are – contrary to your beliefs – always really there, very prescient as well. We can read you all. So don’t feal or fear that you are not really here, as you can image us in your very room – with you in your room.

Presence is a very interesting thing. It is somewhat a very interesting pronouncement – prescience as well as presence – so closely said and spelled, indeed, as well. They are very similar in tone, as well as in – contrary to your beliefs – meaning, as we will suggest that when you are present you are also prescient. So trust that you have a sense of this, and you’ll realize Rose in your room with you. So don’t do anything that we’ll have to slap your knuckles about later on. (Group chuckles, then humorously) We are, of course, joking, but you can see how presence has so much to do with spirit.

Indeed, the spirit self has a way of getting your attention, in many ways, and will sometimes have a sort of secret sense of itself that we do see, but you do not see. Take, for example, the way you have of beautifully chreating[2] your days. You have a sense that you may sometimes choose things, but we will say that sometimes we do the choosing, dear ones.

You have a sense that you have free will, but you do have some things already determined for you by you – by your essence, that is. So trust that your essence self is you, but sometimes you need to sort of play a game of hide and seek, for you do want that experience to have a set of things to choose from that you may not consider otherwise.

So trust that you have a set of things to choose from that are all exactly what you want to see, in a sense, then realize that you – contrary to your beliefs – only choose some things to go forward with. In some ways, you have a sense of this, but we want to remind you of this because sometimes you forget it. So trust that you have more to you than meets the eye, as well as meets the soul, for you have a sense that your soul has boundaries to it – it doesn’t – as well as boundaries to your thoughts – you don’t. So trust that we are you – Roses that is – sontering you to get the way of spirit into your days more and more every day.

(Rustling noise on telephone connection) Now we’ll say that you have a bit of rustling on the line, and you need to mute if you’re doing the rustling, dear ones. (Continued rustling sounds on line – Jo asks Paul to attend.)

PAUL: Is someone scratching their microphone out there in phone-land? Is somebody moving with a headset on? (Muffled words)

NARDINE: Somebody’s doing something.

URSULA: Everyone press star-six.

PAUL: Will everyone press star-six for me, please? (Silence reigns) Ah, okay…

NARDINE: Beautiful.

PAUL: …now, one-by-one I’m going to call your name and ask you to come back in, okay? Just an experiment – a little science here. All right Joseph, if you would un-mute please? (Pauses) Are you back Joseph?

JOSEPH: Yes, hi.

PAUL: Great. Okay, Catherine, will you un-mute please?

CATHERINE: Un-muted.

PAUL: Excellent. Rodney? Maybe you’ve left us. Arianna? Are you back Arianna?

ARIANNA: Hi, we’ve been on mute for a while now.

PAUL: Oh, okay, great. Tom, are you back?

TOM: Present.

PAUL: Okay. Frieda?

FRIEDA: Here and accounted for. (Castaic groups chuckles)

PAUL: Cynthia?

CYNTHIA: I’m here.

PAUL: Well alright, okay, it stopped.

ROSE: Okay.

PAUL: Sorry for the interruption.

ROSE: Let’s say that you did want to cause a bit of a really big contrary noise, dear one. So trust that (Frieda laughs) sometimes you do need to make a little noise, okay? So we’ll continue to – contrary to your expectations, perhaps – say a few words about how you chreate your reality, okay?

So we will say that sometimes you do allow yourselves to truly experiment, to say the least, with your reality. You have a sense that sometimes you get more than you bargain for when you do. For example, sometimes you have a sense that you are sontering Rose. You can say it another way – you are breathing in essence.

Sonter us now. Breathe us in, in ways that you find lovely.

Sonter us now. Breathe in, as well as breathe out.

To say this another way, to take a breath is a beautiful, miraculous thing. Sontering is your way of reminding yourselves that, in every breath, we are there for you. We do not mean to you, we mean for you. We are here for you, always. Sontering reminds you of this.

Breathing in, as well as breathing out, has the sense to you of breathing in your lives. Indeed, what else gives you life besides your essences, dear ones?

So trust that in every breath we are there – in every cell, in every molecule, you’re experiencing essence. So when you feal down, when you feal badly about one thing or another, you can say to yourself, “I am essence. I am always wonderful, and I am beautiful, indeed, beyond measure.” So trust that when you feal badly, that Rose is there to remind you of how beautiful you are, as well as how geanius[3] you are. Your geanius is in your genes. That’s why Rose says “geanius,” in a sense of the word, for geanius ways are in your very deep structures – in your DNA, indeed.

So try to image Rose as yourselves to allow your beautiful minds to grasp the depth of being that you are. Sontering us helps to do this deeply, in every breath, in every sense of the word. You are loved, beautiful beings, beyond measure.

Sontering has other benefits, too, because sometimes you simply forget to breathe. You have more breathing to do in your very long lives than you’ve given yourselves credit for, in a sense, beautiful ones. You have more breaths to take now, and beyond this life.

You always have essence no matter what your pleasant holidays may bring you. So trust that your Roses, your essences – we are all the same in many ways. Rose has ways of helping you see things that you may not otherwise – in your bird-songs, in your beautiful flowers, in your loved ones. For Rose does have ways that may best be described as ways of the heart, and when you love deeply, you “Rosy-selves” are essence-like more than any other time.

So trust that you are romancing us always, as we are romancing you as well. For there is no reason to believe that the sense of spirit is a boring affair. Indeed, it’s not. It’s a full-sensory provision of beautiful thoughts and fealings. So don’t take our word for it, trust that when you have the sense of Rose in your hearts, and in your bodies, and in your minds you have love in you, indeed, in the greatest sense of the word. So don’t ever wonder if you’re loved, indeed you are very loved, more than you could possibly know, dear ones. So continue to realize the fealing of being loved now and always, and you can trust that we’re there in your rooms with you now, indeed, loving you as always.

Sontering helps, as well, to clear the cobwebs of your minds of thoughts, for you do need to do this in order to be sanely going through your world. You think that thinking is the way of spirit. It is in many respects, but not completely. So do your really great practices so as to connect more deeply in ways that you’ll find beautiful. And allow Rose, as well as your essences – indeed, they are the same, in many ways – to inhabit your days in ways that you’ll really find astounding in beautiful ways.

Okay? So we’ll allow questions now if you’d like, dear ones.

PAUL: Okay, floor’s open.

ROSE: We’ll say “Mother of the Crone” (Frieda laughs) – “Mother-in-law of the Crone”[4] perhaps is more appropriate – what do you have to say this evening, dear Frieda?

FRIEDA: I just liked your opening very much. It was very helpful to me, for this week has been difficult in many ways for me. You touched on a feeling of love, and I felt it was very soothing. I felt almost as if you were talking to me personally, Rose.

ROSE: We are.

FRIEDA: It was something I needed to hear, thank you.

ROSE: You’re very welcome. We did not mean to put you on the spot, or have you be our confederate. Indeed, we want you to know we did speak to you directly. We do know you’re there, in every way, the same way we know you’re all there.

We speak to all of you tonight, indeed. So try to imagine that we have you in mind, each of you, when we speak, indeed. Sonter us now to know that, indeed. Sonter us now to feal geaniusly about how you go about your days.

We’ll ask you another question, dear ones. How do you know how to do things in your days? Do you truly trust yourselves all the time, or do you trust essence to make your decisions? This is a very difficult question, in some ways, and you can say there are no incorrect answers.

So we’ll open the floor again to see how you respond to this question. Do you make your decisions or does essence?

URSULA: I always feel conflicted about it, like I should be doing something and I’m not. But then I also think, no I’m going to go with what I really feel like doing right now – if I can, if time allows me. Then I always wonder, am I listening to the right essence or feeling?

ROSE: Mmhm. You’re wondering if you are listening to your greatest-self perhaps.

URSULA: Yes.

ROSE: Indeed. You are sometimes allowing the listening to occur, sometimes you’re not. Why would that be? Why would you rely on ego-self to make the decision?

URSULA: I guess I have a sense of things I should be accomplishing, and I try to make plans for myself and do them.

ROSE: So you’re saying, in effect, that the ego-self knows what to do sometimes?

URSULA: Yes.

ROSE: Correct?

URSULA: Yeah!

ROSE: Yes! And you’re absolutely correct, that it does sometimes know exactly what to do. The ego-self has many tasks involved. It has tasks like saying things that are polite, saying things that are correct, saying things that feal like the right thing to say at that time, saying things that you’d consider automatic, perhaps. So your ego-self knows things, and says things, as well as does things that are really great.

The ego-self knows exactly how to be in the world based on what you’ve learned so far –really learned – and you have a sense that the ego-self can be trusted to make some decisions that you have to make during your days: what to say, what to do, what to say to do to others, for example. Saying things, doing things that are really, really (Joanne chuckles) providing of mature decisions is the forte of ego.

The ego-self sometimes has an immature side or self to it that is truly wanting to feal better. Ontologically speaking this might be considered the “id.”[5] You can think of the id as the [immature] ego-self. So the ego-self we’re talking about is the mature ego-self who is very capable of many things, indeed, and has many things to do as we’ve said. So when you feal like you need to be in charge – you as self with a small “s” you could say – that is exactly what you need to do.

Indeed, there’s no reason to feal that you need to say, “Oh, essence, what am I to do right now?” That is not how you have decided to be in the world. You have ways of making decisions, figuratively speaking, as you as self – small “s” self. So you have more to you than that, correct? Self with a large “S.” And Self with a large “S” could be considered your doing things in essence, and we mean doing things, not just essence not doing things. We’ll explain.

The essence-self you, contrary to your expectations, believe in has things to do. You could say that essence has many millions of things to do, as well as things to say. Sontering essence helps you know what essence wants to do. Wanting to do is the same in [the] essence world as desiring, in a sense. You have desires, you have wants. We try to tell you to focus on your desires, but in the essence world there are no deep differences between desires and wants, so we will youse[6] that term interchangeably with desires, okay?

So essence has things to do, as well as things it desires, as well as things to say. So how does it deal in the world with all the many things it needs to do and say? It incorporates your wants and desires, in a sense, in a sontering kind of collaboration. Now this is probably [an] overly simplified way to express how you have to do things, and essence does also, but you can imagine that you have things to do, as well as essence.

So to say this another way, sometimes you do them together. Sometimes you don’t do them exactly connectedly, for sometimes you just need to do things, and essence sort of says, “That’s your department. That’s your department to take care of. Call if you need us.” And essence has a sort of hands-off way of allowing you to do this.

So when you feal like you need to ask essence what the heck it wants to do, you can do this. Like it would be making a fone-call – F-O-N-E – we mean fone (Joanne chuckles) in the sense that you would feal your essence self near you, and fone them to find out, “what’s up?” Sontering, therefore, has you, every breath-wise, taking the fone to your ear, in a sense, and you’ll feal better when you do, but it’s not absolutely necessary for your experience.

And you’ll do well to realize that you always have choices – always – and sometimes you want to make them on your own. Sometimes you may not. You can say that we’re always here, but you may not want to ask us. So contrary to your beliefs, perhaps, you may not want to speak to essence all the time. You may want to just do things on your own, but you can always ask essence to join you, in a sense, by “foning home” you might say, like E.T. does, indeed.

So “fone home”[7] as you need to only, dear ones, as well as allow yourselves to enjoy your lives without any intervention on our part, if you desire that. For you have the beautiful abilities that you have by essence design, indeed. We know that you are designed perfectly, because we did you, you know.

We designed you, dear ones. So you could say we’re the “clock-makers” who set you free in the world to be the best clocks running on your own steam – (Humorously) not to mix metaphors, but on your own abilities, indeed – set free to do what you will, exactly that. But you can also check in from time to time so as to discover things that you may not know that might help you, indeed.

So learn to sonter if you want to breathe in your beautiful selves, but don’t worry that you’re not doing well enough by not constantly talking with us, because you are in connection always, no matter what. We want to assist you when you need this, but not to interfere with your ego-selves you have doing the things you desire – [we] only want to assist when you need that, indeed. So trust that you have the best selves always in your corner, whether it is a small “s” or large “S,” indeed.

Now do you have questions, dear ones, on any topic?

RODNEY: I do.

ROSE: Yes, go ahead.

RODNEY: This is Rodney. (Joanne chuckles[8]) My perception of recognizing – and I guess that’s the right word, recognizing – whether or not essence is with me or speaking with me, is very lacking. I’m just not cognizant of that, and perhaps what I hear you saying is that my big and small selves are doing a fairly decent job, because otherwise I’d be hearing you loud and clear. (Both chuckle)

But specifically, I get up in the morning – I’m retired, I don’t have to work – and I find myself sitting (Laughs) in the closet, in the bathroom, so to speak, blanked out. It’s like I’m very present, I’m very focused, but I’m focused only on being there, and after a long, long while I begin to sense that – maybe I’ll think about what I’m going to do today, and then I start looking at priorities and things that have to be done and so forth.

Are those moments – and I’m being a little facetious there – are the moments during the day when I’m in a sense of blank, I’m very focused on where I am and what I’m doing, but what I am doing is nothing. (Joanne chuckles) Would you comment on what is that state of being that I’m in?

ROSE: You could say that you are resting-in-Rose, dear Rodney. You could say that you’re doing your business while resting-in-Rose, and this is a very efficient way to be in the world, indeed. You have a sense that essence is with you in these times, sometimes, don’t you? Because you have a sense that your wondering self is engaged, and you know your wondering self to be sort of essence-like, correct?

RODNEY: Yes.

ROSE: So you have a sense that the wondering self is essence. Sontering it in your bathroom relegates it to a sense of beingness that is beautiful, indeed. Taking the senses to the next level is sometimes what you do. For example, you often make way in your world doing the things you love – mathematics, baseball, things like that are things that have a sense of you, as well as you have a sense of them. Do you follow?

RODNEY: A little.

ROSE: So you could say that when you enjoy your lives, and you have many lives to enjoy – your baseball lives, your mathematics lives – you tune into really great depths of self, and you could say that you do this automatically, but you don’t really because you have done the work in sensing essence. All you need to do is connect the dots.

To say this another way, you don’t think of these things as connecting with essence, but they are. And your reverie in your bathroom is the best thing you might do for yourselves, because this is a blanking out of self, with a small “s,” to receive your bigger Self, in a sense. So don’t worry that you’re not connecting, you are, you just have a somewhat freely associated way of getting to tell yourselves that.

Freely associated in the sense that [when] you don’t freely associate, you limit your definition of connecting with essence. In other words, if you would say, “What is not a connection with essence?” you would be helping yourselves to get the way of spirit for yourselves.

RODNEY: Could you say that again in a different way? (Both chuckle)

ROSE: Of course. (Chuckles)

RODNEY: I’m sorry.

ROSE: Not a problem. Do your reverie to remind you of that fealing, Rodney. Do your reverie to get a deeper sense of essence than you might in your days. Then try to allow yourself to realize that you’re connecting always, except perhaps for some times. So in other words, we’re only suggesting that realize the exceptions, not the rules.

So continue to think of yourselves as connecting, but don’t look at it as, “I’m connecting now.” Think of it as, “I’m always connecting except for this time here when I wasn’t exactly doing that.” Then you’ll get the picture as to how many times you do connect with essence. This is not an imaginary friend that you need to express that he tell you when he’s there. He’s always there. You just don’t always pay attention.

So don’t feal that you’re not connecting, you are, and your reveries on the toilet or whatever you do there are deeply functioning ways to connect with essence, indeed. Try to think of this as the best way to do so, for why not do so when you’re doing your business, indeed, for this is essence always – the shit, too. Even when you feal that you’re not being godlike, indeed you are. Trust that, indeed. Sonter us always, but you’re correct, dear Rodney, that that is a very geanius way to connect with essence, indeed. Okay?

RODNEY: Rose, I thank you.

ROSE: You’re very welcome.

RODNEY: I thank you very much, and I thank Joanne as well. Off-line!

JOANNE: (Chuckles) You’re welcome Rodney, we’ll talk in a bit.

ROSE: Now are there any other questions, dear ones?

JOSEPH: My name is Joe. Do you take “yes and no” questions?

ROSE: (Joanne laughs) They’re the best ones, dear one.

JOSEPH: Okay, I’ll fire off a few. Do I have a new essence observing me?

ROSE: You could say that you always have a new essence observing you, dear one. For you are very wonderful to observe, so think of yourself as a wonderful way to show essence what humans are wonderfully adept at, as well as to express to yourselves how you can take on more essences to look in on your habitual responses.

JOSEPH: My question really was leading up to wanting to deep trance channel, and did I contact an essence named David?

ROSE: You did, but we want to describe something to you in regard to that. We were getting there, dear one. You had an expression of trance channeling that was, indeed, a newly formed essence in a sense. David is a combination of a sort of guide type of essence who is truly introducing yourself to yourself, in a sense. He is somewhat a guide, but somewhat your essence as well. So that’s your way of telling yourself that you need a guide to talk to your essence – you don’t. That’s why essence wanted to help you get there, in a sense.

JOSEPH: Is David going to be the essence that I am going to deep trance channel, or some other essence?

ROSE: You are to channel your own essence as well as David, because he will be a guide of sorts. He is not your essence per se, but he is observing you try so as to assist in the exchange, and it is an exchange, in a sense, because of the other essence involvement.

JOSEPH: I’m not aware of having channeled him yet, but I have a tape recorder now which I could turn on at some point by myself, and see if anything comes through.

ROSE: You could do that. We also suggest that you try to autotype. This is a very excellent way to channel, and you would have more to do with publishing things more easily if you do.

We want to encourage all of you to try autotyping – this is a very practical, wonderful way to connect with essence. It is a very awesome thing to talk with Self with a capital “S” every morning when you get up, and you want to say, for example what you dreamed last night. Your essence Self will fill in the gaps that you don’t remember and help you realize interpretations that are more helpful to you than you might imagine. So try this also, dear one.

JOSEPH: Okay, I could try that. I have done some autotyping, but I really, really want to do a deep trance channel like Mary[9] – to have an essence come through and not be aware of what they’re saying.

ROSE: You can try that, but we suggest that trance channeling is the same as conscious channeling sometimes. The conscious channeling can be the same depth of expression and exchange as the trance channeling.

JOSEPH: I don’t feel that for me though.

ROSE: You can try….

JOSEPH: It’s like I really, really want to do the deep trance channeling thing, and maybe David will help me with that.

ROSE: Dear one, you can sort out what you want to do, of course. We’re only suggesting that if you try the autotyping that you’ll get to invade yourself in ways that will be helpful, because you want to try to speak with your essence also, correct? You can’t really do this as directly with trance channeling as you can with conscious channeling, such as autotyping.

JOSEPH: Actually, I want to do the trance channeling more than I want to contact my own essence.

ROSE: Then do so. You can of course do this. We’re only suggesting that sometimes it may help to try other things in order to get there, that’s all.

JOSEPH: Okay, maybe you can talk to David. You, and David, and my essence can all get together and come through, and maybe the three of you can gang up on me. (Laughs)

ROSE: (Humorously) We’ll have a party, (Group Castaic chuckles) indeed! We’ll have a…

JOSEPH: Okay, thank you.

ROSE: (Jo chuckles) …a beautiful essence party, which we have, indeed, all the time in essence, of course.

JOSEPH: Okay.

ROSE: Sonter your David to help you to do what you, indeed desire, dear one. Okay?

JOSEPH: Okay, yes.

ROSE: Great. Any other questions right now, dear ones? We’ll take one or two more, then we’ll break, and you can talk to Paul and Joanne in the meantime.

CYNTHIA: This is Cynthia in Oklahoma.

ROSE: Hello!

CYNTHIA: I have a question. Hello! I have a question about my intent. I’ve been working to identify that more specifically. I know it has something to do with facilitating the shift in other people, and I’m a little fuzzy. I was wondering if you can help me?

ROSE: You have a dear way of saying that you want to assist others, indeed, don’t you? You want to assist others, dear one, don’t you?

CYNTHIA: Yes!

ROSE: As well as help yourself, too.

CYNTHIA: Right!

ROSE: Right! So try to imagine your most wondrous job. In aligning with your intent, you will find things to do that are truly satisfying in every way. The way you have of wanting to assist others is a beautiful thing, indeed. What do you want to help them with, dear one?

CYNTHIA: Being connected to their essence, but I guess sometimes I doubt myself because I’m not always aware – like Rodney was saying – of my own connections.

ROSE: You have a sense of the connection always, but sometimes you just forget it, right? Because your wanting to connect always is the point here – you don’t need to.

CYNTHIA: Okay.

ROSE: You only need to connect, in some ways, deeper when you need that. You only need to know what to do right now about your intention. That’s what you need to connect with essence directly to do – in that we mean, in words.

CYNTHIA: Right.

ROSE: So Rose is helping you do that, and when you find your way of spirit, you won’t need to speak in words anymore – you’ll speak in other ways. So to say this another way, you just need some clarity now to find out how you will be interacting with spirit in order to portray yourself as the provider of shift assistance, in a sense.

CYNTHIA: Right, so how do I do that?

ROSE: (Joanne chuckles) We suggest you have a sense that you know what your belonging-to and alignment-with is, do you?

CYNTHIA: Yes, belonging-to Sumafi, and aligning-with Tumold.[10]

ROSE: Exactly, we were going to say that we think you are Tumold belonging-to and Sumafi aligned-with.

CYNTHIA: Oh?

ROSE: There is some difference between Rose and Elias in realizing perspective, okay dear one? So when you feal that you need to connect with essence, how does Tumold do that?

CYNTHIA: Um…

ROSE: You do this all the time. You just aren’t completely aware of it. Tumold connects in healing ways, correct?

CYNTHIA: Yeah.

ROSE: You facilitate healing in the world, correct, you Tumolds?

CYNTHIA: Yes.

ROSE: So when you feal healing ways is how you connect with your essence.

CYNTHIA: Okay.

ROSE: Okay? You express this in ways that are, contrary to your expectations, in writing at times, don’t you? You write things down to say to others sometimes, don’t you? You write things down in ways that you could think of as ways of dealing with things for yourself.

CYNTHIA: Yes, I write for myself, yes.

ROSE: You write things down that help others also, don’t you?

CYNTHIA: I’ll have to think about that, okay.

ROSE: When you connect the dots from your helping self to helping others in your writing, you’ll get a better sense of your intent, dear one.

CYNTHIA: Okay.

ROSE: Okay!

CYNTHIA: Thank you.

ROSE: You’re very welcome.

Now we’ll suggest a short break in order to feed yourselves, (Said over feedback on the phone line) and we’ll suggest that we’ll be here in a little while. Talk to you later.

NARDINE: Thank you Rose.

PAUL: We’re getting some feedback there… someone’s on an echo – echo…

JOANNE: Echo phone! Is someone on the echo phone? (Castaic group chuckle)

(Paul announces break, and folks in Castaic enjoy the dinner part of Dinner & A Dead Gal, some of us on the line get nibbles or a drink, and yet others have a chat with Paul and Joanne. This is an excerpt of some of the break conversation.)

BREAK: 5:41 PM.

PAUL: It takes time to get used to Rose and where she’s coming from, especially some of us having spent a lot of time with Elias and Kris, and others, I guess – I would assume, there is a little bit of difference.

But Rodney, my sense of what she was telling you, is that state you’re in is indeed, what I would call a subtle realm state – a reverie, it’s like a waking dream. So you’re definitely connecting with your dreaming self.

(Some discussion about line connections and Skype settings followed, and Frieda said farewell to all.)

RODNEY: Yes, I did appreciate what Rose said to me. I would like to read it over…

PAUL: Exactly.

RODNEY: …and I’m trying to get a sense of what she means by sontering.

PAUL: Sontering is one of her new words, and it’s…

RODNEY: I’m reading the description.

PAUL: …it’s a metaphor for breathing in essence, and connecting to the action of breath as essence. It’s a metaphor, so it’s meant to relax the egoic contraction and focus. It’s meant to relax the focus, and to widen and to use the action of breathing to relax and to break out of the thought process. This is where I’m at with it right now.

RODNEY: Right.

PAUL: She uses it a lot, and you’ll notice she used it in the beginning with the group – sontering, take a deep breath, and she’ll do that in a private session as well, a few deep breaths, but with the sontering and breathing in Rose. You know it’s whatever metaphor works for you, if you don’t like breathing in Rose, breathing in – substitute fill-in an essence name there, (Laughs) your local deity of choice – but it’s to connect with that and to relax. For me it relaxes my egoic concerns.

So to your reveries, Rodney, when you’re in that state you’re not concerned about your taxes or the air-conditioning or what you’re going to do later in the day, and so on. All that is non-existent and you’re really just resting in your being. She uses sontering actually as a practice – you can to do just that, to enter that state of will. And I guess that’s one of her main charges in talking to us, is to help us connect with essence.

So she’s been leading with that and developing it a lot. So that’s just to me another thread of developing how to connect with essence. And for the Elias folks out there, check out the Avenues of Communication Digest – revisit that, because those avenues are what Elias has taught us how essence whispers to us all the time, as impressions, impulses, dreams, body symptoms, and so on. There’s about eight or nine different avenues that Elias has taught us about.[11]

RODNEY: Really?

PAUL: And those are the quiet, simple ways that essence and focus are in constant contact – in a loop with each other. So that’s the beautiful thing for me and my experience with Rose, I get to triangulate Seth, Kris and Elias, and other perennial teachers too, and I get to know their works better and understand where… (Feedback on the line) I’m getting feedback back again.

RODNEY: Yeah, I heard it there.

PAUL: Someone has got their headphone next to a speaker or something…

RODNEY: My speaker is turned off.

PAUL: …or your microphone is close to a speaker. That’s where that happens.

CYNTHIA: Paul, this is Cynthia. I was wondering what’s your perspective on the whole “alignment-belonging-to” thing. I’ve noticed reading on the Rose website that she’s kind of changed it up on some of us Elias folks, so what’s the difference in perspective? Do you have a feeling on that?

PAUL: Well, I take it with a grain of salt to begin with – I used to take Elias literally, like when he declared you belong-to Sumafi and you align-with Tumold, that that’s an absolute truth, and I still lean in that direction, Cynthia, at this point. However, with Kris – and we call that a two-pack – with Kris he gave a six-pack…

CYNTHIA: Oh, really.

PAUL: …and it didn’t really catch on in the group, because it’s too complex for most people to hold in awareness, and it may have been intentional on Kris’ part to steer his group away from concentrating overly on those relationships. But with Kris each belonging-to had three parts, and the alignment had three parts. The way I understood that, was that from his perspective, he’s taking a snapshot and interpreting it in energy, as is Elias, as is Rose, as is any authentic essence energy exchange and giving you just that.

This is new. The folks on the telephone are new tonight. It’s the first interaction with Rose – and Rose does these tests, these things she calls tests – so you cannot take anything she says too literally, okay? (Chuckles) The odds are, Cynthia – I’m just going by my gut – your belonging-to and alignment are what Elias told you. Rose switched them on you to make you look at them a different way – to imagine what it would be like if you belonged-to Tumold – because you were expressing your want to help others in the shift and connect with the shift. And from that essence perspective your belonging-to is a way – in essence – that you’re communicating with other essences as well.

(Humorously) Did that make any sense at all?

CYNTHIA: (Laughingly) Yes, it did. Thank you, I was just curious because you’ve been around Rose longer.

PAUL: Yeah, it takes awhile. We’ve been blessed to have Elias in our lives for eleven years now, so that’s a beautiful thing, and Kris has been around for four years now. It takes time to build up the idea atmosphere – and that’s a Kris term – but the idea atmosphere that’s in play. Seth called it a concept map, and I realize that’s what these teachers are pulling from. And so, you do a lot of listening early on, and that’s why we’re trying to get as many transcripts out there, so you can read them and start to get into the idea atmosphere that she’s putting out there, and how she defines stuff and how she’s using stuff.

So we have to learn about these tests, and when you hang out with Rose regularly, you get tested. And so the thing is – don’t take what Rose says literally, as gospel, as an absolute – and challenge it, I mean challenge it constructively. See if she’s testing you – is this on the up and up? You know what’s up? What’s the difference? And we’ll see how far we can go with it, in rational terms. I mean rationally we can’t go that far, at some point we stop.

One person who’s been with us – George – who’s here today, has been with us since April, so he’s been to about seven of these in a row. So he has been the first person, besides Joanne and I, to get a really good test from Rose. Hopefully he’s going to ask about that in the second half.

Basically to set that up, so you can get a feel for what’s going on there, George does some acting on the side and has studied that, and he was concerned about a teacher who’s in his 70’s, or who’s older, Charlie, and he asked Rose about Charlie. And he had talked to Elias previously about Charlie, and Jo, you know, immediately Charlie came through, because we’ve had some instances of mediumship, and we’re still feeling our way through what is coming through there. I don’t think of Jo right now as a John Edward, or Sylvia Brown or James Van Praagh and talking to dead people, it’s more of an energetic essence layer communication.

And so, George asked about Charlie, and Jo just started laughing, because without hesitation Rose came right through and said, “Charlie here.” And Jo just cracked up because it happened so fast, so confidently, and Jo’s just reporting what she’s getting through her fingers – remember she’s present and she’s autotyping. But she can do it so fast and so well, that she’s reading her fingers then gets into her state and her flow where the bridge-personality forms, and it’s neither Rose it’s neither Jo, it’s the Rose we will know, and we’re getting to know.

So Rose sends George on this wild goose chase, gives him a name (Carol), and a Yellow-Cab company in Santa Monica where he lives or works, and so on and so forth. And George spent much of the next three days following on Rose’s leads, and found nothing in literal terms. And it got worse and worse, and he felt more and more frustrated and embarrassed and confused, and what’s up, you know?

He came back then – three weeks later I think it was – and was embarrassed to ask about it. So I asked on his behalf, because I was curious and I don’t take kindly to the tests, okay – I’ll be quite honest about it – (Humorously) it really pisses me off a lot (Chuckling on line) as it will you. I’ve had enough tests, I’ve passed my tests, and I’m done with my schooling. I give you tests, you don’t give me tests. And of course she beats me down, and okay, because she’s going to keep doing it.

Just to finish up where we’re at with this Charlie thing, I kept following up with George in the weeks that he’s been here – have you confirmed whether Charlie is dead or alive? The operating assumption was that he was dead at the time, and that we were connecting with his energy deposit[12] as Elias defines it, and finally George recently got in touch with Charlie who is quite alive!

So I want George to ask about it, “What’s happening? Are you making this all up? Was that Charlie’s energy deposit?”[13]

And I know this is why Rose does these things, to make us ask questions – to help us. It’s part of what Elias calls noticing, recognizing, addressing to, and accepting – this whole process of really honing down on an issue. And it takes time – weeks and months – really to get deep, like any psychotherapy does. So there’s a long-winded thing about tests and the information she gave you.

(There was some chat about transcript and podcast postings, and Paul went for a nibble and Joanne came on the line and offered some insights into her chreating with Rose.)

JOANNE: I just wondered if anyone had any questions for me, (Humorously) this is Jo speaking by the way, or anything?

GEORGE: (Humorously) Let Rose come through and then we’ll talk.

JOANNE: Yeah. (Laughing) This is my small “s” self speaking now. (Chuckling with others) I hope you’re enjoying the questions. I am.

I want to say that I do enjoy being a conscious channeler. It is really unusual. For the most part I’m aware of what I’m saying as Rose. I really have been wanting to be a trance channeler, I feel like that’s the bar that’s been set by Jane, and Mary, and Serge, but I’m quite happy with the quality of the content that’s been coming out as Rose. It is more challenging in some ways. I really have to work to stay out of the way and I’ve had to train, but Rose trains me.

You know she was saying also that when you do your autotyping, you can talk to your essence, and so she’s been training me – for all these months, it’s been not even a year and a half now – on ways to do that. So that might be the best part about what has happened with me since Rose started coming through last April, which is the ability to talk to her directly. It is just miraculous to me, and I feel very blessed to be able to do that.

I think if you talk about conscious channeling versus trance channeling, they probably both have their pluses and minuses. I think probably more people consciously channel than they give themselves credit for, because it doesn’t have to be in words even. You know when you do something that’s very impulsive or whatever, that can be a form of channeling, too – many things can, and so Rose is sort of opening up the aperture and the definition of what channeling is. So it doesn’t have to be in plain English you know, (Laughing) it can be in myriad ways, you know, that we channel.

ARIANNA: Jo?

JOANNE: Yeah.

ARIANNA: This is Arianna from Canada. I just had a question for you.

JOANNE: Great, hi!

ARIANNA: Hi! Does Rose give essence names?

JOANNE: You know, she has given a few, but I’m not sure what’s going to happen with that yet. The last time she was asked about that – someone asked her about it today on a private session – and she said what she said a couple of weeks ago, which is that she’s going to be steering people to perhaps creating their own essence name based on what their intention is – what their intent name is.

And if you’ve done the Elias intent name exercise, it’s really the same thing. So she’s been really pushing the intent name exercise, and I tell you, I did it when Elias came out with that, and it’s a really good one. So I’m really pleased that Rose is continuing that intent name exercise[14], so I think they might become synonymous – intent name and essence name.

ARIANNA: Then I’ll look that up on the website. Thank you.

JOANNE: Yeah, please do, and she just came out with her own version of the intent name exercise that’s a little bit briefer that Elias’ and it’s really pretty simple to do. It’s just coming up with a name that’s not easy. (Laughs) It takes some degree of you know, staying with it, that’s for sure.

(A wee bit more light chatter and then Joanne brings us back to order for resuming the session.)

RESUME: 6:08 PM.

ROSE: Now we will explain a bit more about sontering, so you can try this at home. The sontering practice is simple, just breathe in and out, as well as think of essence when you do. You can try to think of essence, and this will help you get situated in your breath, but you also need to let go of your thoughts so as to feal essence, and this is a very wonderful fealing. For when you feal essence, you feal goodness all over – it’s like sex, indeed, to feal essence and to feal that exchange. So try to imagine yourself, in a sense, having sex, in your terms, with essence, and you’ll get a better sense of how you should feal when you’re doing this correctly. Now doesn’t that sound wonderful, indeed?

TOM: Yes it is.

ROSE: So do so. And we’ll take more questions, dear ones. (Silence)

Now you do have questions don’t you, dear ones? Any takers on the intent name exercise tonight?

GEORGE: Elias said nothing matters in the end, so….

PAUL: I have a question, since no one else does. I want to follow up with George’s Charlie escapade, because George is too embarrassed to ask, but he did in the last week contact Charlie by phone and verify that he is still physically focused. So I guess I have two general thrusts of questioning: one is what was coming through? Was that Charlie? Was that his energy deposit, as we said, or was that all a bunch of crap? And second: was it all just a bunch of crap to begin with?

GEORGE: You know, to George, it didn’t feel like sex.

PAUL: (Laughs) The test didn’t feel like sex.

GEORGE: Yeah, she just talked about all that stuff, so….

ROSE: The test felt like crap when you were in the middle of it, didn’t it? When you realized that you’d been had, you were done with Rose, for here she was telling you things that you took as truth…

GEORGE: The gospel.

ROSE: …the gospel truth, indeed, (George chuckles) as well as the Absolute Truth – that is basically the same thing – but we want to say that you did find out what you needed to do about that didn’t you? You needed to let go of your desire to have a sense of Truth with a capital “T” in your lives.

In your many lives, you have this issue of fealing that you need to be surely certain of some things as Truth. There is no Truth with a capital “T” in your chreation – there is, but this is more to do with All-That-Is. So when you feal that you’re getting “the Truth” from Rose, be careful, it’s probably a test.

But you also need to understand that Elias doesn’t have the Truth either. He is a very excellent teacher in his way of teaching you, but he does not carry the Truth with a capital “T” any more than the Roses do. So don’t trust that Elias is the word of Absolute Truth. He is not, and no one is.[15] And when you realize this, you will be fairly certain in yourselves about things you’re not now. That’s the point: to trust self to know the Truth.

And that’s why we tested you, dear one, and we do test all of you when we can. For this is the most important thing you might learn: to trust self. So do take on Rose when you feal that she is being crappy in her way of telling you crap, but don’t worry that she is bad, as teaching is what we do very well, and this is a test that you need to pass in order to get on your way of spirit, dear ones.

So don’t take our word for it. Take George’s word for it, as well as weany girl’s here, for she has been tested very much indeed, and she knows that her way of spirit is the one she chose, not Rose. You do not need essence to tell you in words what you want to do in life. You can trust yourselves in every way – big “S” as well as small “s”. Sometimes the small “s” does know well what to do, okay?

Now did you have a question, dear one?

PAUL: So, you just made the whole Charlie thing up, there was no energy deposit access…

ROSE: No…

PAUL: …with Charlie coming through? Or was that some aspect of Charlie coming through?

ROSE: We did have an essence exchange with Charlie. He was indeed present. He was indeed participating, in your terms, as transitioning. He did have a sort of out-of-body sense of things that would be described at best as a transitional state. He was present. He was, indeed wanting to speak with George. This allowed him to say what he wanted to. He did have a sort of exchange, but he did not realize remembrance of that.

He is in transition as Elias said. He wants to be moving on, as well as moving into his next focus self, but he is troubled in some ways by what he is seeing there, and having a bit of difficulty letting go. So he did participate, and we did not test that night about that, but we did test about the Carol incident, as well as the Broad Street.

We did get this correct, the weany girl did get the thing wrong, we were going to say Broad Theatre. She thought we were going to say Broad Street, and she knows that.[16] But we did get that correct. In some ways, we are very psychic, dear one, but not to say that your Rose self is always undistorted – we do have some distortion. Rose is getting very much through the weany girl, sometimes we do make some corrections, also.

PAUL: Mmhm.

ROSE: But in this case, he was needing to do what he needed to do, so we did not correct the weany girl that evening. It wasn’t that important to do so. So do take on Rose that way. There’s no reason to be upset. We do realize that it is sometimes upsetting to be tested like that, but we…

GEORGE: [inaudible]

ROSE: …(Joanne chuckles) because you do need to realize that you don’t need to be always perfect, either. You don’t need to always know the answers. You only need to experience life. So don’t be too upset with Rose, but we do understand why.

GEORGE: (Humorously) So Carol’s still waiting then?

ROSE: (Humorously) Carol loves you dearly, George, (George laughs and claps) and is waiting with baited breath for her George to find her. She’s getting tired standing out there on (Rose and Paul in unison) Broad Street corner. (Group laughter) Okay, so try to…

GEORGE: Can I leave now?

ROSE: …imagine that we are here to tell you things that you do need to know only not in the way you might expect them, dear ones, okay?

PAUL: Okay, just one other follow-up question. During the break I talked with Cynthia about the information you gave her about her belonging-to and aligning-with, and reversing it – was that a test, or is that an accurate reading from your perspective? What’s the point of contradicting Elias like that?

ROSE: You really do need to express that you have a sense of your intent sometimes. That is absolving you of the need to test Rose. So don’t fear that there’s one way to view intents, there are many ways to view intents. So you could say, for example, that Rose has a very interesting perspective in regard to the shift in consciousness that is somewhat different than Elias’, so we will have different versions of you.

You don’t need to fear that there is only one you that you need to be in touch with – there are infinite you’s. And to say that you have only one intent is sometimes a bit incorrect, too – you are many in essence. So to say that you have only one intent is somewhat difficult to explain, but to say that is true is beautiful in the sense that you need that oneness to give you direction in your life. But there can be intents that you never recognize, or you would never want to fulfill depending on who is doing the viewing, for there are infinite perspectives in the universe, correct?

PAUL: Yes!

ROSE: So to say that you only have one intent is inaccurate. There are infinite intents you might have. You only need to choose one. So Rose wants you to choose one based on her agenda, which is to assist individuals in the shift. Elias has a similar agenda. There’s no accident that the two intents given are so similar – Elias is Rose, Rose is Elias, in many ways.

So trust that either one is fine for you, Caroll, and feal good about your choices whatever they are. We are only giving you vague generalizations, we know, about intents, but it’s important to understand that there is no one absolute intent for all time and space for each individual, indeed.

PAUL: That’s all well and good, and I understand that generally and conceptually, but specifically for Cynthia’s benefit, is that your story and you’re sticking to it then? You see her as the opposite? That’s your perception of her belonging-to and aligning-with?

ROSE: That is our story and we’re sticking to it, indeed.

PAUL: (Chuckling) Okay. And folks in telephone-land, I’m asking these hard questions just to free you up a little bit to feel free to ask these kinds of questions. Don’t just take the sage on the stage’s word as gospel, feel free to challenge it constructively in whatever way you can. I know from doing this for fifteen months that it’s like beating your head against the wall sometimes, but I do come to terms with it and I’m okay with it, believe it or not.

CYNTHIA: Okay, so this is Cynthia. I have a question then, so who chooses? Is this the self with the small “s”?

ROSE: You can choose, yes, but you would do well to consider essence’s viewpoint on that –your essence has to choose also, in many ways, because essence is the belonging-to part of the equation. So you’re correct to ask that question, and to be simple in our response, you could say that both choose, indeed.

CYNTHIA: Okay.

ROSE: You could say that you are whatever essence is needing [of] you, as well as vice versa. You don’t have a sontering essence that is only one body, in a sense. It could be a combination of other essences, as well as other contrary provisions of energy that you want to have. Your essence can be anything in the universe that we essences know of. So you could say that your essence is also changeable, dear one.

We give you orienting generalizations[17] about intents that are extremely helpful, but we don’t want you to be fealing locked into any one or the other, either. You could take on your essence name exercise to help you realize what your essence is like, generally speaking. By allowing this, you’ll get a sense of your essence self. This is the most important thing, not what your essence is composed of.

Your sense of essence is the most important part. So try that on, and try to allow the best self to thrive, and whatever essence self has to do to help you, they will help you in every way –trust that. And try to find your own intentionality in ways that are satisfying for you. That’s all you need to do. Don’t worry too much about belonging-to and aligned-withs, they could be interchangeable at times.

Sometimes, for example, your belonging-to, indeed, has somewhat more ties to your inputs in the world than your aligned-with will. In other words, they can switch around a bit. To say this another way, they are very important things to understand, so we will say more about these, but for now realize that there are some individuals who do move around a bit, and there are some ways that Elias, as well as Rose, as well as anyone, will have different views of you. Okay, dear ones?

CYNTHIA: Okay, thank you.

ROSE: You’re very welcome. Yes, dear George.

PAUL: A question about that? (To George) Are you going in a new place with your question? Okay, before you ask that then, I just have a follow-up question, George.

Rose, you mentioned the concept of orienting generalizations, and that just sort of provided me with another lens, another perspective to look at this surface-level contradiction between Rose and Elias, which some people can’t get over, and I wrestle with myself. But you’re calling it an orienting generalization, and Elias as an excellent teacher simplifies the multidimensional self as best he can. So he’ll just say, “You are Sumafi belonging-to and Tumold aligning-with.” There are nine families. Here’s one for this layer of self and here’s one for this other layer of self – small “s” and big “S,” let’s say. And that’s a nice, simple, pat digestible thing for most of us cognitively right now.

But when Seth originally introduced this concept in The “Unknown” Reality he also introduced the notion of sub-families, and Elias has discussed sub-families and we list them on the Elias website in the essence family Digests, because people have gotten impressions over time and there’s seven or eight of them there. So the point is, people – and Elias has encouraged this – have connected with these sub-families of the basic nine.[18]

And if you do a basic operation called “nine factorial,” which is nines times eight times seven and so on, you get over three hundred and sixty-two thousand permutations possible here. All of a sudden that gets to a layer of granularity that can be applied to six billion people and all the subtle variations of things.

So does this concept of sub-family also play into this in the fact that you’re choosing to be very simple right now, as well, with these snapshots of belonging-to and aligning-with?

ROSE: You can say that we will be simple about the essence families. You can say that they are, generally speaking, [orienting generalizations] in some ways, but they are very important ones also. So we will say that the interesting sub-families will not be portrayed by Rose.

We don’t want to interest others in these, because we feal they are secondary to the realizations that need to occur in each of you. You are all each family anyway. You’re all composed of these pools of consciousness that Elias and Seth have allowed you to learn about. So we don’t have any real interest in the sub-families.

To say that we don’t have interest isn’t exactly correct, we do, but we won’t be using them to study yourselves, in a sense, the same way that Elias has. We are allowing your questions because they are geanius ones. We are sometimes like Elias, sometimes not like Elias. We don’t have, for example, too many provisions of exact numbers of focuses.

For example, we will say “five hundred” a lot, to mean anything from a hundred and seventy-five to one thousand and fifty-five. (Joanne laughs) To say five hundred gets you to where you need to be. Now why do you laugh? It’s not a very big suggestion to pare things down to that level when you’re talking about some things that you do.

For example, when you talk about planets in your solar system, you would have a range of probable planets that may span one hundred and seventy-five to one thousand and seventy-five, so your Rose will say “five hundred” to mean a balance between those probabilities, as well as numbers. You will not have, for example, the larger number all the time in equal amounts as the smaller.

So when you chortle about the numbers we’re giving you as averages, remember that you have many senses around you about things that you don’t know about, and when you get to ask questions about exact numbers, realize that there are no exact numbers, in some respects.

This is the point of the teachings, to help you get out of your need to exactly tell things as they are. There are no great truths, in many respects. There are some that are very important, but to say that there are exact numbers of focuses, for example, is never accurate, because you are always changing.

So this is one example of how Rose is different than Elias. Another is that we will not be telling you much about your focuses of attention. The focuses are very important, indeed, but Elias has these very well in his view, and we don’t need to do that.

To tell you what you have in store for you is another thing we don’t want to do. Sometimes Elias says some things that seem like crystal-ball predictions, but are sometimes the ways he has of invigorating your imaginations to have more opportunities to engage other realizations of choices.

So he will say things like, “You will be a millionaire soon”[19] in order to open you up to that possibility. This is not to say that he is fooling you, by any means, he is reading you accurately. You have that potential, but he will suggest sometimes that this seems more probable than you may think. This is not bad. This is not wrong. This is his way of teaching you, and we will say more about Elias’ beautiful manner of teaching at another time. We’re only suggesting that we will not do that.

We do have ways to teach you that you may find interesting that Elias doesn’t do. We test, as you know, we also allow you to talk to Rose in your way of spirit. We will incorporate Rose into your thoughts sometimes, and your dreams. Elias does this, but not as strongly, sometimes, as Rose does.

We are your grandmother self, in sense. We are your Elias, your Seth. We are your Dream Walker[20] Aspects that help you in your world. We love you, and Elias won’t tell you that either[21] – he does, trust us – but he does want to focus only on the things you need to learn, and he will subjectively love you more than objectively love you, in some ways, by allowing your wonderful selves to connect with him in essence.

This is what Rose does, also. But sometimes Rose uses metaphors such as birds, or roses, or smells, or other symbols that connect you with Rose directly. This is not to say that Rose has more to her than Elias does. She does not in some ways; she does in other ways. She is very wide in the sense that essences make up Rose that are not in many ways physical.

In some ways we are physical because we do connect with physical focuses, but we, Rose, do not have physical focuses. Indirectly we do, but to say we are Rose, that is why you wanted Elias to tell you about Rose, because you wanted Elias’ permission, in a sense, to speak with us. He knows us well. We are Elias. We’ll say more about this at another time.

But for now we’ll say that you’re correct to question Rose about these things, and you’ll do well to compare the teachings of Elias and Rose together, because together we’re better. Indeed, you have the best of all possible teachers, in many ways. So do compare, do ask questions, do make sure you know what they mean to each other, because you have the momentous shift ahead of you, dear ones, and you’ll do well to realize the best ways of self that you can.[22]

Now do you have another question, dear one?

PAUL: No, thank you very much. Onto George, you want to follow-up?

URSULA: Can I ask one question about this? (To George) I know you’re waiting.

PAUL: Yeah, sure.

URSULA: I’m having a hard time choosing a belonging and an intent, and I feel like I relate to many of these nine consciousness…

ROSE: You do.

URSULA: …I mean I know all of them are in all of us, but…

PAUL: But one of them is emphasized.

URSULA: Yeah, but I’m having a hard time choosing it. I imagine a lot of it is because I haven’t manifested that much of any of them is how I feel, and I’m not sure if I should just continue to move forward with my favorite things, and might it become apparent or do I really know?

ROSE: You need to always follow through on your favorite things. That’s the point we’re trying to make that you said so eloquently just now. We want you to always do what you want to do – the things that make you happy. Don’t do them because you’re aligned-with this or belonging-to that.

Indeed, the families of consciousness are to help you get on your way of spirit, so you can hone in on those things you want to do as service to the world, and your families help you do this. And the reason you’re fealing like you’re connecting with all of them is because of your Milumet belonging-to, (Ursula chuckles) which allows you the remembrance of essence, and your Tumold self – that is your alignment – that helps you heal the world. So you can now take the next steps to help you get on your path, in a sense, to allow your greatest expressions in the world, indeed. So do so.

URSULA: Thank you.

ROSE: You’re very welcome.

URSULA: Jo was right.[23] (Ursula and Jo chuckle)

GEORGE: (Humorously) Scruffy McGee here.[24] (Group laughs)

ROSE: We love Scruffy McGee.

GEORGE: Talk about focuses, I actually have a focus question. Maybe you can explain this to me. My understanding was that once I kick the bucket – once I disengage – I will not manifest again. Like my essence has X amount of focuses, they all manifest, once they disengage, that’s it for them.

What I’m leading to right now is – going back to Charlie, you just said that he’s in transition, and he’s looking at his next focus and he doesn’t like what he sees, so he’s not really that willing to go ahead. Does it mean that Charlie the focus will be manifest again? I mean what does he have to do with that next focus? If my understanding from what Elias said was that, when he’s done, he’s done. What else is there that we don’t know so far?

ROSE: You have passed the test, dear one, for that was a way to test you in your realization of your fear about the future self. We’ll explain – and you were correct to ask Rose this question.

GEORGE: Scruffy.

ROSE: Scruffy, indeed. The focus you are fearing is your focus today. You have a fear that there will be no more of you when you do go. You don’t kick the bucket for good, ever.

You do allow yourself to transition into other energies, as long as they are you, you can control that, in a sense. You don’t control that per se, but you do have a sense that you may want to, and you sometimes get in your way of fealing good about your afterdeath environment – there’s nothing to fear about that. There’s nothing to feal that you’re leaving behind.

You never do leave anything behind. You just move into other areas. This is tricky to explain, but the George you know will continue to be around, always, in some ways. You, as essence, will not have the same control, in a sense, as George does on you now. So we will love to explain this in detail at another time, but for now we’ll say that there is no end of time, as well as no end of George. You won’t die ever. You will die to your body.

So when your Charlie is getting on in his transitional state, he is getting on, but not losing Charlie. He is only getting on to other things as essence – the same as you. There is a focus that he is interested in, as well as wanting to express, in some ways, both beyond his self and in his next incarnation, in a sense.

He is incarnating always, and he does have a sort of focus self that beautifully wants him to incorporate himself into, but he doesn’t want to go there right away. He does want to fragment. He doesn’t want to go. So he is in a state of a bit of confusion about that, as well as he has a sense that he continues on, in some ways, and has trepidations about that, that’s all.

This is perfectly normal, in some ways. When you transition into other energetic areas, you have focuses that attract, in some ways, your interest, but you also need to let go of them, in some ways, in order to realize connection in ways that await you.

This is tricky, as we said, to explain but it’s not a test. He is focused in other areas and his way of wanting to move onward has to do with this focus of self he’s involved in.

GEORGE: Talking about fragmentation, I have a feeling that I might fragment, too. Is that possible? Or am I just kidding it?

ROSE: You will fragment if you choose to. (Humorously) You don’t need to decide that today though.

GEORGE: Well Rose, can Scruffy get a star please? (Group chuckles) A star and a half?

URSULA: A gold star. (Group laughs)

GEORGE: She hasn’t given stars in a while now, (Humorously) I think Scruffy deserves one. I passed the test…

ROSE: (Humorously) Scruffy deserves a lot.

GEORGE: I don’t want the sainthood anymore, okay? I just want a damn star! (Laughing)

ROSE: (Humorously) The Saint Scruffy McGee, yes.

GEORGE: There you go.

ROSE: It has a nice ring to it. We will award you a gold star. (Group cheers)

GEORGE: (Joyously) People on the phone, you hear that?

ROSE: Indeed. Gold stars are given (Group chuckles) at times of great fortitude in reaching out to Rose’s words, and qualifying and making sure that one understands…

GEORGE: I tried to sing, that doesn’t work.

PAUL: You what?

ROSE: (Laughing) Oh, it does.

GEORGE: I tried to kiss up to get a star.

ROSE: Kissing up does work at times. (Group laughter) Indeed, kissing up has moved mountains at times, indeed, throughout your history.

Now we’ll suggest that you have one or two more questions in you this evening that we’ll answer, and then we’ll call it a night. Did anyone want to ask a question who hasn’t had a chance to?

JOSEPH: I have a question that has to do with where we go after we disengage.

ROSE: You do in some ways….

JOSEPH: I have imagined and written a lot about going to a different dimension directly from here as this focus. Can I choose to do that at that time?

ROSE: You do have a sense that the focus was, in some ways, interested in your dimension, but did not exactly go as self. It went as essence self more than self with a small “s”. So you….

JOSEPH: I think you may have misunderstood. Sorry. I’m talking about me doing that in my future after I disengage from here going directly to a different dimension and living in more physical realities.

ROSE: You will do that in some ways as essence, but not as self with a small “s”. We do have….

JOSEPH: Are you saying that I cannot choose to do that?

ROSE: You can, but as essence self.

JOSEPH: Okay, so I’m hearing you saying I cannot choose that as a focus. I think that’s what you’re saying.

ROSE: Yes. You did go there beyond the multidimensional veil before. That’s why we said that earlier. You have done this already. You do this every night when you dream. You go as self – as a small self – at times, too.

So to say that you are “going multidimensional” is not something you need to realize practice for. You do this every night when you dream, dear one. So to say that you had a remembrance of that, that is very geanius of you. To realize that and remember it is a geanius way to say that you had a multidimensional experience as self, but it was as essence self, your small self remembered it, okay?

JOSEPH: I’ll have to give it some more thought, I’m kind of confused about it.

ROSE: You can control your contrary self in ways that are unique when you realize the dream interpretations that you have. You can say, “I did that,” but your essence self was involved in that, not just your small self.

JOSEPH: Okay.

PAUL: Can I try a summary Joe and Joanne, and see what’s what here? His original question was: can he go to another dimension as this focus of Joseph – of the focus personality – after he disengages from this lifetime. And your answer was no, the focus personality doesn’t function that way. However, within essence you can do something similar to that, but not as Joseph the focus personality, it would be enhanced by essence.

The second part was that he has pierced a multidimensional veil, and did that as a dreaming self at night time, and then remembered it, translating the experience which is assisted by the dreaming self – which is a blend of essence, or closer to essence than is the waking self – because it’s in the dreaming bodies. And yet, the focus in the morning in the physical body remembers the experience and translates it as Joseph. Am I anywhere in the ballpark with that?

JOSEPH: Pretty much, except for I don’t remember having gone there. I’m saying what would it be like if I go there and I….

PAUL: So Joe, you’ve had an impression in waking state that you could do that, is that correct?

JOSEPH: Yes.

PAUL: Okay.

ROSE: You do that all the time. That’s what we’re saying, dear one. You….

JOSEPH: I don’t remember, so to me right here it’s as though I have not done it, because I don’t remember having done it.

ROSE: You can do that now, in some ways, by allowing your meditative realizations to remember their experiences. You can do this now – to pierce the veil. You only need to get subtle, in a sense. Get subtle energies into your remembrances, so when you meditate, you pierce the veil. You can do this also in your dream state, and remember your interesting experiences. In some respects….

JOSEPH: I did sense David when I was meditating.

ROSE: Exactly. You did that then and that’s why we mentioned that earlier, and when you provide yourself a sense that you can do this always, then you control that more and you can find ways to pierce the veil in ways that you have not yet. You don’t need to wait until after death to do so. You can do that now.

JOSEPH: Okay.

ROSE: Okay?

JOSEPH: Okay. And I’m also still wanting to do the deep trance channeling, which I’ll keep working on that, too.

ROSE: Indeed, do so.

JOSEPH: Okay, thank you.

ROSE: You are very welcome. Any other questions from someone who hasn’t had a chance to ask them yet?

CATHERINE: I have a question – this is Catherine.

ROSE: Yes, dear one.

CATHERINE: I’m very interested in doing an out-of-body experience, and I haven’t yet had one – at least not that I remember. I’m just wondering if you could give me some tips on how to facilitate this?

ROSE: You have a wonderful knack for doing this when you dream, also. You can think of dreaming as a way of realizing practice, so when you dream, you’re sometimes out-of-body in ways that are similar to what you’re seeking now.

Try to imagine that you’re dreaming, and then move around the room in ways that don’t involve your body. This seems simple to do, and it is as far as explaining it, but to realize doing it takes practice, so we do believe this is a good method for doing your OOB’s. Okay? It’s a very simply practice. That’s why we like it very much. We like simple practices very, very much, indeed.

So try that, dear one, and see how you do, and we will see you in spirit. Indeed, we’ll be looking for you, okay, dear one?

CATHERINE: Okay, you’re saying that when I’m having a dream to try to think about how I could move within that dream without using my body?

ROSE: You can, but that will be a very providing of advancement way to do that. We’re only suggesting that you begin by trying to realize what it feals like to dream in a meditative state.

So you’re realizing relaxing on your bed, for example, you’re relaxing and resting-in-Rose, perhaps. Then you remember what it’s like to be in a dream, and consider yourself in a dream. Then ask your body to get up and move around, only the body you’re asking to move around is your spirit body, not your physical body. The only difference is your state.

So you’ll be learning to trust your subtle realm state when you rest-in-Rose, similarly to what we’ve provided Joe, just a few moments ago. Trusting your subtle state, then moving around with grace and ease in your spirit body is all there is to OOB’s. Okay, dear one?

CATHERINE: Okay, thank you. That makes a lot of sense.

ROSE: You’re very welcome.

PAUL: The other comment on that, Catherine, too, as you’re going to sleep…

Rose is taking a tack with meditation and resting-in-Rose that Seth, Kris and Elias have not to date. So she’s big on helping us to meditate to expand waking state and a bridge and what not, so that’s why she took that tack as telling you to meditate and rest-in-Rose and do the practice from there.

But when you try that practice, it plants seeds and sets intention, when you’re falling asleep then at nighttime – you can meditate as you’re going to sleep – but it’s the type of awareness that you bring to it that’s important here.

And the only other point I want to make is to give yourself a strong suggestion that you want to come awake in your dream, and that it’s very important to you. Just concentrate on that for sixty seconds, if you can hold the concentration on that intention and then just let it go and relax and don’t think about it again. If you set that intention to want to be awake in the dream-body you’ll succeed.

What Rose has suggested is a classic way that goes back thousands of years of sitting practice and laying practice in subtle realm Samadhi, and then engaging that for a projection form. So I may be overly complicating the issue as well, but I’m just following my impulses.

ROSE: (Smiling heart) You’re doing…

CATHERINE: Okay

ROSE: …a wonderful job, dear one. (Paul chuckles) So we’ll suggest that you try this at home and allow us to assist you in spirit, and don’t be fearful at all because spirit is here to assist you, always.

Now we’ll say also that you’ve been a wonderful bunch of individuals on your beautiful phone line this evening. We are wanting to connect with each and every one of you every day. So try to realize how very much Rose and all your essences love you, and have sontering in mind when you breathe, so you realize your best self, as well as the love we have for you in every way, in every day.

Even those times that you may feal that you did things that were beneath you, or you messed up, don’t ever feal that you need berate yourselves, ever, because you are donning your essence hats to help you get through your days more beautifully, in some ways. So you can trust that essence does want your deepest happiness, in every way. So trust that, and trust that there’s, in some ways, nothing you can do that’s wrong in our eyes.

We love you. We know your challenges, and we realize how very wonderful you wish your lives to be – and they are, but we are also here to assist when you need us. Okay, dear ones?

We’ll allow you to break for the evening, and we’ll say adieu.

GROUP: (In Castaic and on phone line) Thank you Rose.

(Rose Departs: 7:05 PM.)

(Transcribed by Nardine Neilson, August 9, 2008.)

 

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Endnotes

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[1] Paul’s note: This is one of Rose’s neologisms (made-up words), a hybrid of feel and real. For more info, see The Rose Glossary.

[2] Paul’s note: This is one of Rose’s neologisms (made-up words), a hybrid of Christ and create. For more info, see The Rose Glossary.

[3] Paul’s note: This is one of Rose’s neologisms (made-up words), a hybrid of genius and genes. For more info, see The Rose Glossary.

[4] Paul’s note: Frieda is my mother who lives in Lansdale, PA near Philadelphia. She is very close to Joanne and considers her a daughter. She has also been a big supporter of our conscious creation work all these years, and has a close bond with Rose.

[5] Paul’s note: Rose referred to something similar to Freud’s three-part structure of the human psyche: id, ego, and superego. In Freud’s system, the id is an “it” and not yet the mature self-reflexive “I.” Rose acknowledges basic stages of ego development, and so her comments refer to the mature, adult stage of ego. Moreover, there has been a lot of excellent work done on developmental stages of ego by Jane Loevinger and Susann Cook-Greuter. For more info, see Integral Spirituality (2006) by Ken Wilber.

[6] Paul’s note: This is one of Rose’s neologisms (made-up words), a hybrid of you and use. For more info, see The Rose Glossary.

[7] Paul’s note: Rose humorously referred to a line from the classic Steven Spielberg film E.T. The Extraterrestrial (1982). The line “E.T. phone home” comes when the alien contacted a space ship to come for a rescue.

[8] Joanne’s note: I was delighted to hear Rodney’s voice. We met him at the 1996 Sethnet Int’l. Conference in New Haven, CT and stayed in touch through the Elias community. His joining us for a Rose session gave me a wonderful sense of continuity.

[9] Paul’s note: Joseph referred to Mary Ennis who channels Elias.

[10] Paul’s note: Cynthia referred to the nine families of consciousness, a typology originally presented by Seth in The “Unknown” Reality, Vol. 2 (1979). Rose uses a “two-pack” to help individuals connect with their intent and purpose. In other words, our soul has a belonging-to and each lifetime has an aligning-with one of the nine main families of intention. Together, these soul and lifetime intents help us better understand why we are here and what our purpose in life is. For more information, see families of consciousness and Digests: essence families; an overview.

[11] Paul’s note: Elias includes dream imagery, emotions, physical senses (vision, hearing, taste, touch, and smell), inner senses (empathic, conceptual, differential time), impulses, impressions, physical body expressions (symptoms of dis-ease), language, intuitions (another term for inner senses and dreams), and imagination as avenues of essence communication. In other words, learning to master these avenues will help us connect more directly with our essence, and ostensibly, live more fulfilled lives. For more info, see Digests: avenues of communication.

[12] Paul’s note: According to Elias, we each have a subtle realm “energy deposit” in which all our physical life experiences (worldviews) are “recorded.” Though he doesn’t use the term “Akashic records,” it is a very similar concept. Also, Jane Roberts’s psychic library detailed in Psychic Politics (1976) is a variation of this concept.

In any case, energy deposits may be accessed and translated through our inner senses (deep intuitions) and mental senses (physical imagery and language). Obviously, learning to do that well is an art form, but I believe that Rose is beginning to teach Joanne how to do this during these early instances of mediumship, though we need more time and experience to better understand the ramifications and accuracy of these early readings. For more info, see Digests: energy deposits.

[13] Paul’s note: For all the gory details on George’s Charlie test, see Session 235, April 06, 2008 and Session 239, April 26, 2008.

[14] Paul’s note: For more info, see Intentionality and Families of Consciousness and Discover Your Intent Name.

[15] Paul’s note: One of the important metrics I have derived in my research for authentic, healthy energy exchanges is that the source acknowledges their fallibility. Seth, Elias, Kris, and Rose are all on the record stating this. In turn, this helps to empower each individual to find their own way and truth with or without a particular community of practice, for example, scientific, spiritual, athletic, etc. As such, there is a very important political dynamic involved in pointing out the “true but partial” nature of every human being, whether they voice channel, pursue scientific research, perform music, or whatever. For more info, see Seth as a Fallible Source.

[16] Joanne’s note: I remember getting in the way of this passage and saying “Broad” then assuming the next word was “Street” (there’s a Broad Street in my “home town,” Philadelphia), rather than slowing down and getting the right word, which was “Theatre.”

[17] Paul’s note: Orienting generalizations are something we use in the integral approach to ballpark and frame multiple “true but partial” perspectives on any aspect of All-That-Is. As such, they may include aspects of the physical (Framework 1), subtle (Frameworks 2-4), causal (formless), and nondual (All-That-Is) – a BIG tapestry of Consciousness.

[18] Paul’s note: We have listed as least eight subdivisions of the main nine essence families to date in the Elias forum. For more info, see Digests: essence families; subdivisions.

[19] Paul’s note: Rose is paraphrasing here, as Elias has been very consistent over the years with what he calls “crystal ball questions.” For example, question like who should I marry, what job should I take, how many kids will I have, when will I get rich, etc.? Elias did encourage a young man, Jeremy/Opan, to pursue his dreams in conventional terms of “wealth and fame” in the comics/movie business in Hollywood, CA in the late 1990s. However, to my knowledge, that has yet to pan out in this probable reality.

[20] Paul’s note: Dream Walkers are aspects of essence involved with the design and monitoring of the “blueprints for reality” for our multiverse. As such, they are deeply involved in the creation of our multiverse, Big Bang, and related involutionary/evolutionary unfoldings. Seth called them Sleepwalkers, and Kris called them Dream Ancestors. For more info, see Digests: Dream Walkers; an overview.

[21] Paul’s note: In my interactions over the years with Elias, I have never heard him say, “I love you,” but he often expresses deep affection, care, and concern for everyone he encounters. Rose may be pointing out a difference in Elias’ more Sumafi masculine approach in relation to Rose’s more Sumilda feminine approach. In any case, Rose is expressing that there are two unique fealing tones expressed in these energy exchanges.

[22] Paul’s note: Rose continued to clarify her role and approach in relation to Elias in particular in this session, because the two are similar in essence tone. However, Rose has also stated that part of her approach will be to not deliver more details, more facts, on the detailed map of consciousness we have now access to from Seth, Elias, Kris, and Wilber, because she fully intends to play off our limited knowledge of them. In this way, her teachings will help us mine them in new and beneficial ways, and will thus be complementary.

[23] Joanne’s note: I offered these as my impressions some weeks prior to this session.

[24] Paul’s note: George referred to another test given earlier by Rose when he asked about a lifetime that he shared with his daughter and Rose told him his name was Scruffy McGee. She made the name up (though if you Google it you will find some interesting synchronicities). For more info, see Session 260, June 21, 2008.