Session 376 (Private)
Saturday, July 04, 2009
Participants: Joanne (Tyl) and Paul (Caroll).
(Rose Arrives: 3:06 PM.)
PAUL: Happy Independence Day. It looks like Rose is “in the building,” and we wanted to have a brief experimental session today to inquire about the recent passing away of Michael Jackson who died on June 25th at the age of fifty. It’s been quite a big mass event in our own backyard, since he was in Los Angeles at the time. There will be a memorial service on Tuesday[1], and so on.
There’s been a lot of coverage in the press about this event and as I mull over his life I came to the conclusion that he’s one of the most eccentric and gifted people in my generation that has passed. So we wanted to ask Rose about her impressions on his choice of passing away so young.
ROSE: We are very excited to speak with you today, as well as any day. You have reason to collect Roses in the video world (Jo smiles).[2]
We’ll say these are very interesting times for you. You have a strong sense that the Michael Jackson affair has roots in your consciousness in a very deep way.
Why, to say the least, would he have committed suicide, for example, if this was the cause of his death? You might say he did cause his own death, correct?
PAUL: Yes.
ROSE: You have reason to explain to yourselves why he would do this. Why do you think he chose to end his life?
PAUL: I had an impression about a year ago that his life was effectively over. And that related back to the child molestation case in 2002-2003 in Santa Barbara, and the toll it took on him personally and his reputation. He left the country, and so on, and had debt problems. And the comeback tour that he was rehearsing was seemingly a great creative effort for him to go and do what he loved – to perform again, and get back in the spotlight, which was also something that he loved.
So I know it’s deeper than that. And the other part of it is that there’s a Martin Bashir interview that was aired years ago as part of that earlier case in Santa Barbara where he expressed his concerns of Michael’s treatment of his own children, and all the children who visited his Neverland estate.
And Michael revealed that he wanted to be Peter Pan, and never grow up. So I think that had something to do with his conflict. He was fifty, he was getting older, which is old enough to be a grandparent, and the next stage for him is to be a senior. His three children were growing up, they’re twelve, eleven, and eight or thereabouts. So they’re growing up into adulthood soon, and there’s all this conflict that he was experiencing with all these factors, not to mention all the personal stuff that nobody really knows about.
ROSE: We think you summarized his situation very well except for one small, but important point: he was infected with guilt about his actions. We’ll say more about this at another time, but to say he did have conflict, that was a very important thing about the case as well. He deflected a sense of guilt by his violent response to the aggression of the press. He willed himself out of his body in order to escape the many things that others had to say about him. These were not entirely true, all of them.
He was a very wonderful singer, as well as friend to many individuals. He wanted to achieve things. He absolutely did in every way achieve the things he set out to achieve, in your lifetimes as well. For he sporadically, perhaps, had to trust himself to do more than he thought he could, in many respects. He had a fettered persona, you might say, that had everything to do with the children he had as well. We’ll explain.
He had children to help them to grow in ways he could not. He was terribly abused by his friends as well as his family. Most of all, he was abused by his father, in many ways, more than you know, indeed.[3] He carried this around with him forever, too. For in his zest to take on these challenges in spirit, he has many focuses who take on similar things.
So he was a very spiritually oriented individual in the sense that he has many lives, you might say, as a child star, as well as someone who explores childhood from every angle, you might say. So he has reason to want to continue doing this, but he felt guilty, in many ways, about his actions in his focus here, then had to move on.
He was carrying a very great burden, you could say. So he was influenced by the abuses, but like many abused children, he abused others, too. Not only sexually, we’ll say, we don’t mean that he was a pedophile, necessarily, but he did not achieve sexuality in ways that were commonly understood to you. We’re not casting dispersions on his ways at all. He was a very gentle person, as well as one who would not cause sexual harm to anyone.
But he did not also take into consideration the fealings[4] that others may have. In spite of his cause to help women, for example, to achieve things, he sometimes didn’t take into consideration his ways of treating them in ways that helped them. Sometimes he did not need to say anything, but others got the sense there were things wrong, in some ways. So he was guilty about these things, not in the sense that he was a bad person, but a person who did sometimes do the things that cause you grief as well, things that you see as violations.
He has a very strong sensitivity to pain, so he sheltered his children, he sheltered himself. He sheltered parts of himself, too, that served to only provoke more pain in him, in some ways. So he fealt out of place in a very big way all his life, as well as in his passing, for he did feal contempt, to say the least, for those individuals who only wanted to take advantage of him. How hard that was for him to be in charge, in many ways, but not be in charge as well.
He did not want to express to others, for example, his concerns, for they would sometimes overreact. He had to part ways with his family, in many ways, for he did not want to counsel them in ways that would have helped them, for they sometimes had to part ways in ways that were painful to many.
So it was a very difficult life for him in many ways, in sexual ways, too. He was intermediate.[5] He had a sense that there were things about him that were different in the very essential ways. For example, he had to say, “Please” a lot to others, when really they were there only to do harm, in ways, to his nature. So he had to summon all his courage to be who he was, as well as a performer.
He needed to exert things in ways that you’ll discover in time were achieving a variety of things. For example, he had to summon all his courage to get onto the stage in the first place, but when there, boy, we know you know how very talented he was, as well as continues to be in space, as well as time, in your videos, in your records, in your very songs you sing. He’s there, indeed, for you.
He loves all things. He wants you to know he’s very happy to be on his way. He says he needs some time to balance things out. He knows you have doubts about him. He knows you have concerns about him. He says to not worry at all about him, for he’s “in a better place,” in his words. He’s, in a sense, in a Bardo state, in between transition as well as this one.[6]
He expresses to all he needs some time, as we said, to recuperate a bit from this focus. But he sends his enduring love to all. He’s expressing this in ways that are painful to you, perhaps, because you sense the deep sincerity in his actions. He is a very sincere individual in many ways.
He did want to say, as well, he manipulated the reality in ways, too. He was not always wanting to reveal himself, so he sometimes had to serve himself by allowing himself to reveal only some parts of himself. In this, he wants to say he has a very big face to put on for his future. For now, he needs to decide what face to put on for his next phase, you might say.
He had many faces, didn’t he, in this focus? So in this, he needs your love as well as support. What face to do you want him to proceed with, dear ones? His own face was a very big assortment, wasn’t it? They were many different kinds. He played with form in ways that were exquisite, indeed.
He wants, as well, to say he wants to fear less. In his need to love, he sometimes had to sort the love from self from other kinds of love. In this, he sometimes confused his self-love with the love from others. This is something you all do, at times. You have a difficult time sorting your self-love from the love you sense from others. These are not inherently separate, but they are very strongly different when you consider that the self-love is so very important first to do, indeed.
So he would like to say he loves himself more, now that he’s away from things, as well as how you may very well feal that way when you pass, as well. He’s very intent on tealling you this. Tealling means, to Rose, teaching as well as telling. So he wants to teall you many things. You can avail yourself of his beautiful energy whenever you wish, as well as teall yourselves how very beautiful you are in his eyes, for you’re all in every way connected in spirit. So when you send your love to him, know he sends this right back, indeed. You are very welcome to imbibe this love whenever you need to, indeed.
So do so, as well as correct the mistakes he made in supporting the idea that you have reason to fear anything, indeed. For you do not ever need to fear. He’s saying that you need to only trust, as well as allow yourselves to be the same kind of geaniuses[7] that he was. In many ways, he is an inspiration for you, indeed, isn’t he? So do so.
We’ll allow your questions now, dear one.
PAUL: Thank you.
ROSE: You’re very welcome.
PAUL: I had an impression that initially he didn’t realize he had died.
ROSE: He did not.
PAUL: And so, he’s in this dream body, this transition Bardo body, and it took him a little while to understand what had happened. Is that a correct impression?
ROSE: He is in his Bardo body, as you said, as we said as well. And he does know he is nonphysical now. He is awaiting the topics to die down in order to connect deeply with his loved ones. This is a time of transition for them as well, indeed. So do so, you’re all them aren’t you, as well as friends of Rose?
In Rose he sleeps, you might say, for he knows Rose as a friend, in some ways, too. He’s always had a sort of friend in spirit. He loves spiritual things. He knows about Freud and Jung also. He was a very big student of psychology.[8] So he dipped into the spiritual ways somewhat when he was physical. To take on the spirit world he needed to die though, didn’t he?
In some ways, he didn’t avail himself of more than the support system that Doctor Deepak provided.[9] But this was a very deep tradition he was exposed to. He needed delve in deeper in ways, but he did not, as well, because he had to do what he had to do. In this, in many ways, he had to support his own learning, indeed. He did so, as well.
So do you have any need for more questions, dear one?
PAUL: Yes, another question is that you mentioned that his orientation is intermediate, what was his belonging-to and alignment?
ROSE: Belonging-to Sumari/Vold; aligned with Zuli.[10]
PAUL: Oh, that’s close to my own impression, which was belonging-to Sumari, and aligning with Zuli.
ROSE: Well, when you think about this, tell us how many variations of Zuli you might have in him as an alignment. For he was a dancer extraordinaire. He was a singer extraordinaire. He did find ways to manipulate his body in surgical ways. Indeed, this is a very strong hallmark of a Zuli individual.
PAUL: And all the outfits he wore.
ROSE: Exactly.
PAUL: I mean they’re in museums now and they’re going to fetch a lot of money, and so on.
ROSE: He loved beautiful people. Indeed, he wanted to be more beautiful, which is why he fealt he had to reconstruct himself, in many ways. So he did have a longing for Zuli. That is the essence of how Zuli interacts in alignment with this existence, in a sense. He was a very smart individual, as well as very intelligent. Too intelligent for us, at times, for he had to part ways with spirit sometimes when he fealt he had the answers. He did in some ways, too.
He trusted, in many ways, the intellect over the spiritual sense. But he had some of this working for him as well. He loved very deeply, that’s the best way you might have to support the sense of spirit, indeed.
PAUL: Was he thought-, emotional-, political-, or religious-focused?
ROSE: Emotionally-focused.[11]
PAUL: That makes sense, thank you.
The other question I have, in broader terms, is that his life and death brought to mind the life and death of Howard Hughes, who was from the previous generation of my parents. And he was another individual who achieved great wealth, fame, and power in their lifetime through socially conventional means, and Michael did the same thing through music, and made quite a fortune for himself.
And yet, there was this insulation effect of becoming so successful that you lose your perspective on judgment, perhaps, and suddenly nobody is able to tell you what the hell to do. You end up being surrounded by yes-men, and so on, and you pay their salaries and it’s almost like the ego loses touch and runs rampant in a narcissistic manner.
ROSE: He did.
PAUL: So I’m wondering if you would comment on the similarities between these two individuals.
ROSE: He did have similarities with the person you mentioned, but this is somewhat complicated, for Howard Hughes had a very big way of ego that was not the same as Mr. Jackson’s, we’ll say. The self he was had a sort of loss of identity that Howard Hughes had too much of, you might say. So there were some opposite counterpart things that you might consider happening between them, too.
So they had a very big connection in spirit, too. For Michael had knowledge about him, as well as a very big interest in him. So there were some bleedthroughs, you might say, that occurred in response to Michael’s fascination, in some ways, with Howard Hughes. He was also interested in John Merrick, the Elephant Man, for whom he wanted the body parts. To say the least, these were very influential people with him.
The obvious cults surrounding them, the obvious distinctions in wealth, that they needed to protect themselves, these were all things that resonated with him. In spite of how many individuals they all had around them, they felt a deep sense of isolation, but this was not a very real thing, in some ways. Sometimes they had a violent sense of reality being out of bounds to them.
They did deepen their experience through drug use, some of them. Not John Merrick, but both Hughes, as well as Michael, did do drugs to contemplate their experiences more than anything. They had to contemplate their experiences to get the value from them, for they did feal so entirely alone at times. This was a deep need they had: to tune out the world because the world was too much for them, at times.
You do the same thing, but when you’re surrounded by yes-people, you have reasons to want to say, “Leave me alone” more than you do now. For the yes-men do have ways of penetrating the space you’re in, in very violent ways, at times. They tune this out to the extreme, at times, because you can imagine how very beneficial it was to be alone, but they overreacted at times to this, we’ll say. The drug use did not help the effort either.
So you had a question as well about Howard Hughes being alone in his final days. Michael did not, as well as did not stop living. In many ways, he resisted the call of that human condition we’ll call “hermit’s dis-ease” that insists you grow your fingernails too long, or don’t cut your hair because you sense there’s reason in some odd sense of the word that you are “beyond that.” But to be human is to be in the world. In this, Michael did this in spite of his deep reservations about going on the tour.
He helped himself to great doses of fearlessness to overcome his need to retire, in some ways. He needed to respond to the efforts that his spirit called to him. In many ways, his need was to always perform, but this was a very big thing to overcome, his reluctance to not appear, as well, for he did have many reservations about going on the road, indeed.
He needed to have the solitude that he craved, but he couldn’t reconcile these two things, so he did what many individuals do – they check out, as well as check into the next phase, indeed. So he did have reservations about these things, as well as his family was growing up, as you said. They had to become adults. He didn’t know all the time how to deal with this – adulthood – especially in himself.
So he had every reason to go, in some ways, except that he did need to perform. But he can do so in spiritual ways. He can enjoy, for example, the reruns that are his beautiful videos. He can experience these, as well as continue to thrive in ways that are very well known in the physical state. We’ll call these heavenly ways. He will fear less in order to discover his heaven, indeed, he will. He treated his world as heaven. He tried to build that. He could not realize its continuation, so he had to do so in the nonphysical state.
Wish him well, for he’s in Neverland for good, in some ways, isn’t he? Indeed. (Paul chuckles)
So do continue to send you loving kindness to him. He needs this, in many ways, as you do, indeed. So do so.
Do you have any other questions, dear one?
PAUL: No thank you very much. That was very helpful, I appreciate it.
ROSE: (Smiling) You’re very welcome. We say, “Beat it!” indeed. (Paul laughs) Do so.
(Rose departs 3:37 PM.)
(Part 2 of this session was published as a condensed ten minute video clip.)
Endnotes:
[1] Paul’s note: The memorial was held at the Staples Center and Nokia Theater in downtown Los Angeles.
[2] Paul’s note: Rose referred to the fact that we videotaped this session and will publish a short video version.
[3] Joanne’s note: In a session that we held directly after this one, Rose pointed out that Michael rejected adulthood, in many ways, due to the injustices heaped upon him by adults who treated him badly, most notably his father. But the irony was that his father wasn’t, in effect, acting as a mature adult, but as a “child” who was not mature enough to fully consider the effects of his actions.
[4] Paul’s note: This is one of Rose’s neologisms (made-up words), a combination of feel and real. For more info, see The Rose Glossary.
[5] Paul’s note: A typology (common, soft, and intermediate) introduced by Elias and used by Rose. Together with gender and preference, they form a “language of perception” that helps explain why we each perceive reality so differently at times. For more information, see Orientations.
[6] Paul’s note: The Bardo is a Buddhist concept used to describe the immediate afterdeath experience. It means in-between, and involves a time of choosing a next life or other dimensions of experience.
[7] Paul’s note: This is one of Rose’s neologisms (made-up words), a combination of gene and genius. For more info, see The Rose Glossary.
[8] Paul’s note: Sigmund Freud (1856-1939) and his student Carl Jung (1875-1961) were very influential in modern schools of psychology.
[9] Paul’s note: A reference to Deepak Chopra, a physician versed in mind-body medicine and spirituality who was a friend of Michael Jackson.
[10] Paul’s note: According to Rose, our essence belongs-to and our physical self aligns-with one of the nine family of consciousness intents. Taken together, they provide useful insights into what our purpose in life is, and our way of spirit. For more info, see Intentionality and Families of Consciousness.
[11] Paul’s note: This is another typology introduced by Elias that deals with how we initially process all energy projected at us from others. This is one of the first times that Rose has provided this kind of information. For more information, see elements of essence (emotional, political, religious, thought).