Session 190 (Group/Castaic, California)
Thursday, November 22, 2007
Participants: Joanne (Tyl), Jeanette (Esohna), Denise (Andies), Gordon (Gilbert), and Paul (Caroll).
(Paul’s note: This session began after we shared a sumptuous Thanksgiving dinner prepared by Joanne. Her mother, Jeanette, was out for her yearly visit, and was in the process of getting to know Rose. She had attended several Kris sessions over the years, and was familiar with the channeling phenomenon.)
(Rose Arrives: 6:06 PM. Arrival time 75 seconds.)
ROSE: We are wanting to speak today about Thanksgiving. The way you can think of Thanksgiving would be as an opportunity to allow, in your terms. We would like to realize the stories that you have in mind as myths, in some respects. But in your terms, meaning is found by examining myths, but not wanting to be overly rational about your myths. So Thanksgiving is a myth, in your terms, about your early ways, in your Pilgrim ways. But indeed, the myth seems real in many respects. But it isn’t, in fact, because the myth is the thing, not the story about your settlers, because the [inherent] story is what’s important.
The story is about the sharing that occurred between the settlers and your wanting Indians, so to speak. They wanted to make friends with the settlers. We suggest they did in a very big way. They made themselves generous to the settlers in ways that, you would say, blew their socks off. The Puritans didn’t have much in the way of food that winter before. They didn’t have much to eat that year, but [then] the Indians arrived with their venison, their fruits, their vegetables, their chickens, so very well preserved by them. They had many forms of preserving foods that also were finding admiration in your settlers. They found that they were amazed in their ways of finding their friends – the Indians – in bringing the foods for the Autumn Equinox feast, indeed.
The stories are always wanting to place that interesting event in the November timeframe, but this is incorrect. The Autumn Equinox was the realization of the feast. That was the time to do that. The November timeframe wouldn’t have been what they wanted. That was too close to winter. The Indians allowed a respite, to say the least, for they were interested in allowing friendship, but they were also very fearful of each other. The Thanksgiving, therefore, was the way they got through their fear in a very big way. Indeed, what a beautiful celebration of fearlessness: because the fear was removed, the celebration went on. The ways were, indeed, allowing for a great feast that will be considered the same feast you allow yourselves when you trust that your fears so want to be allowed to transpire in ways that will help them move on, and find other neighborhoods to settle in.
The fears you have would indeed find spiritual means to become the way of spirit, in some respects. The fears you have would be considered necessary to you, in some respects, but the fears also want to leave you, and when they do, what you find is a great wealth of abundance. For the fear only allows you to remember the things you need to once they’re gone. The fear helps you remember what you want, what you desire. Indeed, fears are probably the best friends you have, because in finding them you also find means to set them on your way of spirit, and send them packing. The fears, therefore, are what you need to remove before you can truly appreciate the abundance that is yours in spirit, indeed, and in your physical reality. The fears want to be made to go away, that’s what they continually try to remind you about.
So continue to find the way of spirit in yourselves by addressing to your fears, and think of them as the Indians who were so mistrusted that they were almost found to be murderous thugs before the settlers found them to be their best friends. Indeed, that’s the nature of fear. The fear will want to make friends with you so you can remove the effort around them, and find ways to greet them in spirit, to take them to lunch, so to speak. So trust that your fears want you to find them, and invite them into your fine events. Indeed, that’s what they’re there for. So trust that your fears will find you in every way, and you have the ability to befriend, as well as treat them to a fine feast indeed.
You can think of this as an exercise. To begin, you would find your fears. Imagine that they’re your friends. Then allow them to find you a big beautiful event to feast, and fears will finally become what you want them to be – the ones at your table of life – for they will feast, indeed, with you in ways that you’ll find helpful. The fears you have will not always go away completely. They need to be allowed to exist, but you can think of them as warriors who would best serve you rather than be opposing you. In this, the fears will be gently reminded that they’re important to you, not someone to block.
They need you. You need them also. The fears are sometimes most helpful. The fears can warn you of a too hot burner on your stove. The fears can remove some anxieties by allowing you to view the reality of your situation. The fears can allow you a berth in which you realize the humanity you all have. The fears are real, but they can also be geaniusly incorporated into your lives in ways that you’ll find wonderful, for they don’t need to be avoided, they only need to be served, in some respects. So do so.
We’ll allow your questions this evening. We hope you’ve stuffed yourselves adequately.
PAUL: Mmhm!
ROSE: (Humorously) This instance of Rose is brought to you by a very full belly, indeed. (Group chuckles)
We trust you have questions.
GORDON: I have a question about childhood fears, about things that happen in your childhood. You know, from the adults, you know your interaction with adults, whether it be conscious or unconscious of what they were doing. That’s also a lesson for us to incorporate.
ROSE: Yes.
GORDON: Could you talk a little bit about that?
ROSE: Your childhood fears would be considered phantoms in some respects. You don’t exactly know the nature of them all the time. They were extremely real when you were children. They became a bit less real in your adult lives, but just as powerful, in some respects. You don’t have the framework to completely remember the fears. You have found a means to incorporate them as phantom fears, in some respects. They will be helpful if you allow yourselves to find them a seat to sit at, because when you block them they will want to come into your fine home – homes of Self – but you don’t want them, because you have found them to get in your way of happiness. But don’t take them on too greatly. They will subside in time, but you can think of them as the providers of helpfulness, in some respects. They wanted to assist you then. They wanted to find you a beautiful solace in your distractions of childhood. They wanted to assist you in finding relief from your days of confusion.
The fears themselves weren’t the issue. They tried to find you to warn you of dangers. They wanted to assist. So you can think of your phantoms as beautiful ghosts to help you, even now. For example, the fears you have would be considered a focused type. They are finding you in spite of your allowance of fear. In your terms, the fears interest themselves in you in spite of your desire to find them other places to go. They follow you. They want to assist, in your terms. The fears are deeply interested in helping, but you won’t let them. The fears, as we said, are in a focused sort of [manner of] finding you. They were finding you as a child, but you blocked them. They wanted to assist you in many ways. The focused ways we mention were a way that you were interested in an allowance of yourself, but you weren’t encouraged. The fears were around this, but your fears were encouraging you to be yourself.
They were allowing you a berth to exist in, because they pointed the direction of your future life. They were helping fears. They weren’t, indeed, a means to punish you. Your punishment was separate. That wasn’t your fears, so your fears were focused in your childhood on your existence as an artist, indeed, as the man you are today. They encouraged you to be what you became. They were wanting to alert you to the dangers of not finding your way of spirit, but you found your way of spirit. They are always wanting to assist. The fears you have now would be considered relatives of those phantoms. They are similar in their ways of wanting you to be who you will be in your future. Indeed, you have much to look forward to. The fears would be, therefore, considered your friends in spirit who wish only to assist you.
They point out things that are very real, in your terms that need addressing. So consider them friends, in your terms, as well as bountifully wanting to bring you wonderful things like deer, and chickens, (Jo Laughs) and vegetables, and…
PAUL: Venison.
ROSE: …wonderful things to share in your bounty with you.
GORDON: Thank you, that helped me a lot.
ROSE: You’re welcome. Yours fears would be considered not only truly wonderful, but common in many ways, because your friends here have had similar fears, as many others do. Don’t feel that your fears are so very unique, they’re not. You can think of them as ghosts from your past, but when your ghosts are exposed they’re wonderfully bright, beautiful lights in your world. To take on the fears is to take on your friends, indeed.
We’ll allow you more questions if you’d like dear Gordon.
GORDON: Thank you, that was very good. (Chuckles with Rose)
ROSE: You’re very welcome. We continue to encourage your paths of healing, indeed. You got a Rose reading earlier, we told your friend [Joanne] to tell you of your Tumold/Sumari intentionality.[1] We will also give you an essence name, if you’d like. You can think of this essence as (pause) Gilbert.
GORDON: Gilbert, okay.
ROSE: We will say also you’re correct in your translation of your nurse who was an alien.[2] She was you in a very wonderful sense. She is a focus of yours, Gilbert, in a future dimension that is considered a beautiful planet in your galaxy, in a very far away planet in your future dimensions. This sounds like a contradiction because the galaxy is yours, but the dimension is different than yours.
GORDON: I understand.
ROSE: The dimensions would be considered dimensions in time and space, but not in direct correlation to your time and space.
MALE: Yes, I understand. Thank you.
ROSE: You’re welcome.
DENISE: I have a question about my Mom’s coat.[3] (Joanne chuckles) What happened?
ROSE: “Weany girl” would really like to know as well.
JOANNE: This is Joanne speaking because I am present during all this. So let me just break in here and say that weany girl is her name for me. It’s a term of endearment. Weany girl and weany boy, and it’s because we’re weaning ourselves of prior fears. It’s spelled W-E-A-N-Y. So that’s why she’s saying weany girl.
ROSE: (15-second pause) The coat, indeed, is a very wonderful story that we’ll want to excitedly tell you about. The coat did “pop out.” The coat did “pop in.” The coat was a geanius way you realized the wonderful love that your mother, as well as your father, have for you.
We are aware that the coat was lost the moment you stepped out of the stall. The coat didn’t take any other path, we suggest, besides in, as well as out. The coat didn’t travel to any particular planet, for example. The coat did “zap” the way out of your dimension, as well as into a dimension that realized the probabilities that it would end up in your father’s closet.
The dimensionality was of time and space, not planets, for example. The planetary dimensions would be covered by our Gilbert’s friend, the nurse. This wasn’t the case with your coat. The coat “zapped in,” then “out,” of the other dimensions that allowed it to pass through the really big set of existing alternate probabilities, then “zapped in.” The coat was allowed to get a dry-cleaning bag over it in the process. The coat was allowed this to show you the way it could be, that’s all. The bag was “showing off” of spirit. The bag was not necessary, but the bag was found in the realization of the probabilities the coat passed through. The bag was a way to say, “Hey! Try to figure this out,” now, even more than the coat reappearing, indeed, quite literally in your father’s closet. The coat was really well protected in your terms. The dimensions didn’t incorporate any “transit trauma” to the coat. The dimensions were very loving, caring ones.
Imagine that coat; the time it traveled was instantaneous, in your terms, in the dimensional sense, even though the coat traveled for roughly 25 years in your terms. So it was a gift that you created for yourself. The difference, in your terms, was really important as well. You were going through a bit of trauma at the time. You needed to wean yourself of the coat, because the coat was taking on too much angst. The coat was what you were really wanting to not lose. You needed to, therefore, lose it. We suggest you needed to lose many things that the coat represented as well.
We suggest your coat was a gift of your mother’s in a great many ways. Indeed, she was improvising. The way she got the coat was indicative of her weaning of her own sense of connectedness with you. We suggest she needed to get the coat back to disconnect, because you were truly latching on too much. In some respects, you needed a bit of care to get the nest away from your wings, so to speak. The nest was removed so you could fly. The coat was necessary to do this, because the coat was the nest that you were fearfully clinging to. She was interested in getting you away from the nest. So she was instrumental in taking the coat, then giving it back when you were ready to receive it again.
The coat in many ways is a “holy coat,” as your weany girl says.[4] The coat is what you’d call your badge of courage. You found your courage when you lost the coat. You didn’t have the coat as a blanket to take on your mother’s presence. So the coat, indeed, was returned when you allowed yourself the courage to have the coat again.
DENISE: Yeah.
ROSE: So trust that you’ll find the coat to be wanting you always, indeed, to be with you always in spirit. The coat in some ways always will. We suggest you wear the coat again. Don’t fear losing the coat. Indeed, look, it will always find you, we’re suggesting. So don’t worry about that. The coat won’t go away again.
PAUL: I have a question. You’ve spoken a little bit about Denise’s intentionality, and her mother’s who is disengaged. Can you just comment on her father Bill’s role in this as well, because it appeared in his closet?
ROSE: The coat was found in your loving father’s closet. They were in on this together. They wanted to assure you that the coat was a gift from both. That’s all. The coat was indirectly responsible for the miracle that Denise showed herself. Indeed, the miracle was her own growth in her way of spirit. During the time that the coat was missing, the way of spirit was realized.
The coat was indicating that the way of finding it was involved with the father. Father was needing the miracle as well, even though he didn’t take to the explanation, he didn’t have an alternate explanation. He wanted to appear that he wasn’t interested very much, but he was, he wanted to believe. That’s what he took away from the situation. So he was involved in many respects, but mainly in the beliefs that were presented, as well as indicating to Denise that they were both involved with getting the coat back. Father was always wanting to show the love he wanted. He doesn’t always have the ability, but this is an example of how he expresses his love, even without him knowing it on the rational level.
DENISE: Okay.
ROSE: So trust he loves you very much, enough to allow this miracle to take place in his home. Indeed.
DENISE: Can I ask you if there’s a connection between the coat incident and a few months earlier when I also had a very similar experience in the elevator?[5]
ROSE: Yes, you could call this foreshadowing.
DENISE: That’s what I thought.
ROSE: Indeed, the way you found the coat the second time was the most interesting. The coat wasn’t found the first time, but the coat, the second time around, was found. Which coat would you have preferred to find? Indeed. We also want to point out that you found a way to fear not getting your second coat back, that’s why you created the first one, because you didn’t get it back. This added to the drama around the second coat disappearing as well.
DENISE: Yeah.
ROSE: The first coat indeed, was blinked into “Twylo.”[6] (Joanne laughs)
PAUL: That’s Joanne laughing. It always cracks her up.
ROSE: That’s right (much chuckling) we’re making a joke.
(Group laughter)
DENISE: Okay, when am I gonna get that coat back? Where is this Twylo again?
ROSE: Ah, we’re calling on your sense of old television shows, Denise, The Dick Van Dyke Show… (Group talking)
DENISE: I got it the very first time you said it. (Jo laughs) It was called something about Walnuts and…
JOANNE: Oh yeah… Danny Thomas was in it. (Group talking and laughing) This is Joanne again.
ROSE: That’s correct. The coat won’t be coming back any time soon. It’s having a marvelous time on Twylo now. So don’t expect even a postcard at this point (Group talking and laughing)… and eyeballs in the backs of their heads.
PAUL: Eyeballs in the back of their heads.
DENISE: And 20/20/20/20 vision (Much group laughter) Rose has a great sense of humor.
JOANNE: (Laughing) Mmhm. She keeps me laughing.
ROSE: That’s correct, the Twylo allusion was important because we wanted to say also, that the alien phenomenon is real, although you can think of it as Aspects that you’ve recently become interested in, in the human sense. The “you” we speak of is your humankind becoming interested. So you’re becoming interested in your alternate selves in other dimensions. That’s why you’re realizing the “funny people” in your dreams, as well as your visions. The cat in your weany girl’s experience was another cat she loved, in your terms, in a very real sense. The cat was Seth, indeed.
PAUL: Ah, Seth cat.[7]
ROSE: The cat was finally able to tell her how he was doing. The cat was also found in your room the night he was locked out of your bedroom, behind your door.[8] Though he was displaying this ability while he was alive also, as well as after he became less physically focused, we’ll say. Indeed, he showed you what to do with your doors! indeed, even in another state because he’s with you.
Your animals are always with you. They’re not associated with your buildings or locations, but with you, that’s why they travel with you. They’re your creations, as your Elias has said. So trust that your animals will always find you, in a way, because they want to always assure you they love you, always, unconditionally. So trust they will always be around you for this very reason, indeed. They will also show you things that you’ll not find in many other ways. They’ll show you fearlessness, in many respects, because they’ll greet the fears you have with love as well. For your fears will want the loving kindness you wish to provide them. The way your animals greet your fears is as you could greet them, as friends indeed, who want to be welcomed into your paths. So do so.
We will allow more questions if you’d like.
PAUL: Mom, you got any questions?
JEANETTE: No, I’m learning a lot.
ROSE: The way you can think of your fine ways of food, as well as gathering, is as a geanius form of expression. The way you can think of the word “geanius” is as a combination of the word genius and genes. For your geanius – G-E-A-N-I-U-S – is a way of saying that you have an intuition that allows you to connect with your spirit selves, which is also in your genes. So consider your geanius as built into your very bones. Indeed, when you eat, you find ways to nourish yourselves, your genius, your genes, your very blood, your wonderful ways of bodily expressions, indeed. Your geanius extends into everything you do. So trust that when you nourish yourselves with fine food, fine friendships, fine conversations, fine wines, and fine dialogues about wonderful things, that you have found your geanius in a social setting that is most wonderfully connected with your ways of spirit.
Indeed, you need this in your lives, desperately, we will say. We’re not over emphasizing this, because you have found ways to achieve great things on your own. But isn’t it wonderful to be sharing this with others who are like you? Indeed, this is a very special occasion. We’re very happy to be in your presence. So trust that you’ll expect to hear from Rose to encourage you to continue to socialize with your friends in order to get the very things you became physical for. Indeed, the wonderful things you’ve expressed, as well as experienced this evening. So do so.
We will also say that your cats [Rumi and Maya] have enjoyed their fine treats as well, and are somewhere lying about digesting in a very happy way indeed. (Group chuckling) They won’t be visiting you in the night, because they’re way too full and sleepy.
Now, I am sure you have more questions.
DENISE: I have a question. Do you have anything to reveal to us that maybe has not been revealed to us in the past through other channels?
ROSE: Hmm, interesting question! The way you can think of Rose is as an articulation of many things that your Seth, your Elias, your Kris, and others have mentioned in many ways. The things that Rose “don’t” (Jo chuckles, pause) in the respect that “Team Rose” is a plural.[9] So Rose is many faceted. This you know, but we’re suggesting your “don’t” is an expression that would sound silly otherwise. So your Rose don’t want to confuse you by suggesting anything too different than the teachers you reference, but in some ways we will be excitedly providing information that’s a bit different.
For example, the Elias information includes the wonderful teachings about the Rose children. The Rose children would be described as real children who are born into your world to bring about the shift in consciousness.[10] Your Rose teachings will not make these real children, they will be children in spirit, in your terms, not in a wondrous way of getting them as ghosts, but there’s no reason, in your terms, to have fine children being born into your world to bring about shift. The shift is in you already. You are the “Rose children.” That’s your Rose’s teachings.
The way you can think of your Christ is as “spiritual graduation.” The Christ consciousness is a graduation, in spiritual terms, to a new awareness in yourselves. So the “Christ children” isn’t necessary to us. The way Elias teaches is in a very subtle way, the way he gets into your heads is the important part. The way you find him is sometimes incorrect, but necessary. That’s what Elias does, is to explain in many ways the extremely relative way of looking on things of your world, as well as your spirits. The Elias information is a great teaching. We won’t contradict it in many ways, because it is foundational, as is your Seth teachings.
But the way you can think of Elias is as a ground floor teaching that your Rose will build upon. We’re all the same spirits. Don’t try to separate us: we’re Elias, we’re Seth. That’s why we want to say that there’s no differentiation really between the spirits, but there are differentiations in intentionality. That’s why we’re coming through Joanne. Her intentionality is of Sumafi-Ilda, aligned-with Borledim.[11] The Borledim intentionality is to remind individuals of the nurturing needs in your world. The Sumafi-Ilda will be a means to bring in the undistorted teachings that would be considered connecting of your dots in many ways – connecting of your dots between, for example, the teachings of your Christians, as well as your new teachings of your teachers.
So we’ll say they’re not new, but in your terms they are. The way you can think of the Sumilda belonging to she has, is also as a way to interest others in channeling, because the information is very much more accessible than your Seth and Elias. So this will help to distribute the teachings in greater ways across your world, indeed. Also, the exchange realizes a funny connection between your Rose and your Joanne, so your Sumilda (Joanne laughs) will make her laugh, as we are doing now, and help people begin to demystify the channeling exchange, because this is something that’s very common to you now.
Here you are looking right at us. We’re looking at you through her eyes. We suggest she’s looking at you too. So the Sumilda exchange is a very interesting one, indeed. Not the same as your Seth. That would find itself very blustery and beautiful, of course, and your Elias also, in being very big as well as dramatic in some ways. Yes, like your Kevin Ryerson is.[12] So we’ll say that your Sumilda intentionality is to help demystify the exchanges in ways that will also suggest to individuals that they have the ability to channel.
We’ll define channeling as the bringing of internal information into your exteriors. That will be a very great way to interest individuals in channeling because they all have the ability, the way that it’s been defined by us. So channeling will be your way of finding the way of spirit for many individuals, and your Rose will assist them in finding their intentionality as well as their means of channeling their greater selves. This will be a fun thing indeed! This is what Joanne has been interested in for many, many years now. So she’ll find a way of spirit that will be exciting, as well as ecstatic at times, as will many other individuals. That’s what we’re here to do: to help people connect with their own essences. That’s why we’re Rose, because we’re the essences that you’ll find to be yours also.
DENISE: I was going to ask about my essence since I have virtually no information on it. That’s my next question.
ROSE: You are Sumari/Sumafi. We will also say you’re intermediate in orientation, this explains your desire to be a solo act in many ways.[13] The wonderful way you go about your life is wondrous, indeed, because you find ways to beautifully create things in truth. Truthy ways, the truthy ways you have are in your teachings. You’d be an excellent teacher. We suggest you consider the way you stood up this evening and gave your lecture.[14] (Group chuckles) Indeed, your show and tell that you found to be most comfortable doing, didn’t you?
DENISE: I’d love to do that full time, I gotta pay the rent. (Chuckling) That’s the next fear I was going to talk about.
ROSE: You can think of yourself as a teacher of Rose.
DENISE: Good, wonderful.
ROSE: You can consider yourself accredited to teach Rose.
DENISE: (Laughing) Oh good!
ROSE: We will confer on you that honor, because you have the Sumafi literal-mindedness that’s required to teach this very intricate set of ideas. You’ve learned well from your Seth and Elias, so why not consider teaching it? Indeed, when you follow your bliss, your way of spirit, things happen to work out. We suggest you’re ready to try it. So do so. Your spirit will assist.
That will be our next thing, to tell you your essence name, because this is why you’ve chosen to be here, to emulate your essence in a great many ways. Your essence will call you by your name. You can trust that your essence would love you to call her by her name, which will be (31-second pause) A-N-D-I-E-S. Andies, you could say Ahn-dius.
PAUL: Amadeus?
JOANNE: No, it’s A-N-D-I-E-S. I just don’t know how to pronounce it, because I don’t hear her all the time.
PAUL: Your first pronunciation emphasized the second syllable, anDies. That was the first way you pronounced it, is that correct? Which syllable should get accented?
ROSE: First, Andies, yes.
PAUL: Is it bigger than a bread box? (Joanne laughs)
ROSE: So, you can call on your Andies so as to completely, completely exchange the way you want to exchange. You’re not quite there yet. Trust you can channel, but your way won’t be this way. It will be found in your ways of finding prescience.
DENISE: Sorry, what?
ROSE: Prescience, to predict the future.
PAUL: Prescience.
DENISE: Predicting the future?
ROSE: Yes.
DENISE: Oh, okay.
PAUL: A Seer.
ROSE: You can think of your skills as what you do on your free days. You find ways to connect. The way you do this is in your artwork, in your images that you draw, you cut out and paste. Indeed, you have ways of finding the future. You have many future focuses you connect with, so they inform you. So your Andies wants to connect with you this way, so continue.
We will also suggest to everyone that you do your vespers each morning. The vespers are your way of connecting with essence. They are an hour or two of really praying the way you need to. The prayers will be individual, in some respects, but they will have this in common: they’ll be ways that you silence your mind so as to allow your inner selves to find the way to speak with you. This can be in autotyping, in meditative practices as your Gilbert does, indeed. We suggest your way, Andies, is as a meditation that incorporates your drawing, as well as painting in your montages. So do so with the intentionality of realizing prayer in every respect. This is what we’ll allow.
The way you can think of your prayer, is God speaking to you, indeed, as you said. So allow this to happen every morning. We suggest you’ll not find a better way to begin your day than to speak with your Greater Self. Indeed, we do with Joanne every morning, except that she’s been lax (Joanne laughs) the last two days, but it’s understandable. This happens sometimes. So don’t worry if you miss a day or two, but you’ll find the difference, indeed, when you do. So do so.
We will allow you more questions if you like. Esohna, no questions this evening?
JEANETTE: No questions.
ROSE: That’s fine.
PAUL: I have a comment I wanted to add to the nine children topic you flirted about before. You delivered some Christ material in our last group session, several days ago.[15] This is more of a comment than a question, but just that in my perception of this Christ mythos, as I came through Seth who said the historical Christ wasn’t crucified, and that’s pretty radical information to digest as a young person. And then years later Elias comes along and kind of does a spin and a variation where he uses Seth’s nine essence families to say there’s nine children representing each of these essence families, they’re all male, and they’re all physical and real and have some big important thing to do with this shift in consciousness.
And then Rose comes along into our lives. So it’s been about five or six years since I really contemplated Elias’ nine children much. So when I revisited that recently it dawned on me that the messiah belief system is very much in the AMBER/BLUE worldview[16], in that it projects a force outside of self to come and to create my reality for me. And in fact, in the context of these conscious creation ideas that Seth, Elias, Kris and others are teaching us, the whole notion of the messiah is a paradox, and it snarks right up its own ass into nothingness. To have a messiah teaching, therefore, makes no sense, and in fact, is contradictory to the fundamental principle that you create your own reality.
Why would I need a messiah to come along and do anything for me? The idea then is to realize my own messiah-hood, my own Christ-hood.
DENISE: Yeah, we are projecting out our own, into a figure we call…
PAUL: Right. And so the conclusion, that we are the Christ, we are the Buddha, we are the nine children of Rose is the more authentic teaching that we’re circling back to through this maze. Is that anywhere in the ballpark?
DENISE: And just adding to what you said, as we were speaking, as you were mentioning it over and over again, what is the significance of nine? We’ve got nine essences, nine sisters, nine children of Rose?
PAUL: Nine inner senses.[17]
DENISE: Nine… is there a significance to nine as well as what he said?
ROSE: The answer to that question is, why not nine? Because that’s…
PAUL: (Humorously) Eight is right out and ten is too!
ROSE: It’s just something, you know. (Group chatter) The way you think of the nine children of Elias, which would be more accurate in your terms. (Chuckling) We’re joking. Elias does have his Rose, which is, in your terms, allowing of the same energy to pass through Elias and Mary, as what’s passing through your Joanne, but in transition it becomes slightly different. The Elias Rose children are what you’d call symbolic, because they represent all nine families. They are, therefore, fully embracing the nine ways of finding reality, so to speak. The families are very important, as we suggest, they’ll be foundational in your Rose information.
We will also say that they’re not varied in many ways, because why would it matter what the families are? If you’re allowing the Christ consciousness, the families become what you’d call secondary at best. So the families aren’t important, but they are in your reality, as well as in Elias’ teachings. Therefore, he needed to create a kind of way to allow individuals to move through the Elias information embracing the families, then seeing how the families would play in the drama of the Christ consciousness.
This was realized in your Rose children, but Elias was also taking on the role of finding individuals to be creating more of a literal sense than he wanted, because while he knew that individuals would take these too literally, what happened is that they were not getting the interesting lesson beneath the symbols, which is that these children were allowing themselves to intrude on everyone in the shift. They were allowing themselves to be helping individuals move through the shift by providing such strong energetic fields, so as to assist in the movement, but individuals forget about this when they talk about the nine children. They only want to find the children, and tell them to be allowing them to tell them about their greatness. Indeed, this isn’t the point. The greatness is in individuals wanting to get to move into your shift in consciousness.
So the teachings were in many ways misaligned with the individuals who were interpreting them. Your Rose would have gained much had individuals found ways to become more interested in the realization of the consciousness of the Rose children, not the physical realizations of the “Christ children.” Therefore, Rose will be focusing on the mythos [and] will be considered the Christian heretic (Joanne laughs), in some respects, because you’ll find us teaching that the Christ is one sort of consciousness that will be shared by all.
The essence families will be interesting, but not core to our teachings about the Christ consciousness, like Elias’ teachings were. Indeed, there was a value to that, because the families will become, in a very big way, sentries of sorts. The way you can think of it as a large Tumold consciousness, a very large Sumafi consciousness, and so on, that will inform the shift in healthy ways, but the “Christ babies,” as you call them, they are really metaphors for this energetic shift in consciousness.
PAUL: So to try and, not summarize, but to outline how I see it from a conceptual point of view, it’s like these nine children represent the gross realm, these essence families represent subtle realm, and Christ consciousness, or Buddha mind, or Tao, whatever word you want to use for It, represents the causal realm.[18] And we’re just learning about these distinctions in our own consciousness, and as we evolve personally through our own stages of development, we’ll be more aware and awake to those distinctions in consciousness within ourSelf. And not confuse them and get it all tripped up, and reduce it all to gross nine children nonsense.
ROSE: You will be able to segregate the energies in many respects. The way you can think of the energies of the families is as specific to your reality. To take away the energy of Sumafi, for example, would be an extreme thing to do. We suggest you think about what that would be like. You would be able to, you have sense of that. To take away the Sumafi energy would be like casting your own death sentence. You will see, therefore, in this example, how very important the various families are. So you’ll get a sense of their natures in the process, as well as the healing effects they’ll bring when in full throttle in your shift in consciousness.
So that’s why Elias used the metaphor of the nine babies – to tell you a story about the trusty exchanges with families [of consciousness] that you create, because you all have them in you. You have alignments, but the families are inherent in each of you. Therefore you need to think about those babies, so to speak, as parts of you. Indeed, not just one Christ consciousness as was previously provided in your stories.
DENISE: That’s always been my understanding, what you just said. That’s good.
ROSE: Good. See you’re teaching already. You’re teaching Rose! Indeed!
DENISE: I always thought that, and every time I heard what you’re getting at with these nine physical children, that’s not right.
PAUL: It’s not, it’s too literal.
DENISE: Yeah, we’re looking for absolutes in a relative world, and everything is relative. So we need to go beyond the gross physicalness get to this deeper essential material, which is what’s coming out.
PAUL: Right. The whole messiah thing just is a very “seedling,” even early “sapling” kind of belief system.[19]
DENISE: Well, it comes out of a need for saving, salvation, messiah, someone to – you can’t do it yourself, you’re looking to project it to another outside person or individual, whatever, not realizing that no, you don’t need saving because you were just were blind to your own power, you know, who you really were. What we need is start remembering who we are instead of looking for a savior outside of ourselves.
PAUL: Amen.
ROSE: Yes, indeed, good job explaining dear. (Group laughter)
DENISE: Thank you Rose.
ROSE: Exactly, we suggest you’ll do well in your teacher role.
Indeed, we will also say that you, Gilbert will be happy in your vocation. You’re coming into a new phase as well; trust that it will be a good one for you, indeed. We will also say your doctor will be instrumental. That you know, indeed. But you can also suggest to yourself that you dream about the focuses you have with your doctor, which include a Vedic one, indeed. You’ll also find a very interesting one in which you were a bank robber… (Group chuckles)
PAUL: Scoundrel.
ROSE: …who was implicated by your doctor to get the way out of finding himself in jail. He told on you to get out of his legal quandary. To say you don’t owe him would be an understatement. He owes you in a big way. You can think of this as a karmic gift.
GORDON: Yeah, beautiful, thank you.
ROSE: You’re welcome.
DENISE: I have a silly question.
ROSE: We love silly questions.
DENISE: Do you, like with Mary channeling Elias, and Serge doing Kris, and Jane doing Seth, they all have accents. Is it because you’re also like semi-conscious, or if you went in completely out of it like they do, would we hear an accent? (Chuckles)
ROSE: That was a good question.
DENISE: (Laughing) Just curious.
ROSE: That was an excellent question indeed. We are wanting your weany girl to rest-in-Rose to tell you what we’ll say next. So give us a moment.[20]
PAUL: And while she’s doing that I just say that there is an affectation to Rose II that’s different from Rose I, and we’ve seen a little bit of it tonight. It’s different from Jo. But I’ve been able to observe it, so it’s not as dramatic. This is dramatic, you know, Seth/Jane, Elias/Mary, Kris/Serge, is a very dramatic change.
ROSE: (With a slow deep feigned Russian accent) The way you may think of us is as a very, very big spirit (Group laughter) to take you into realms that you’ve never known before. Indeed, we will say that your Russian wonderful ghost would be glad to oblige in an accent in your way of spirit to take you into realms you’ve never been before.
PAUL: (Humorously) This is supposed to be a Russian accent?
ROSE: (Feigning) Indeed. (Much laughter)
PAUL: (Laughing) You’ve got a lot of work to do!
ROSE: The way you can think of us is as a Russian spirit indeed.
PAUL: She’s messing with us right now. (More laughter)
ROSE: So trust that you’ll find that your Rose will not be using an accent. Indeed, we’ll only want to express to you (changes back to usual intonation) that you’ll find that we will change over time. We are training your Joanne to get better at this.
JEANETTE: I have a question.
PAUL: All right!
JEANETTE: Why do you keep doing your fingers?
DENISE: I know, I was just thinking….
PAUL: Rose is moving her fingers, that’s Rose, Jo’s not doing this.
JEANETTE: And when you stop it’s Joanne. You weren’t using your fingers typing this in Russian were you? (Chuckling) I didn’t see your little fingers going.
JOANNE: When I’m not using…
PAUL: Who’s speaking now?
JOANNE: This is Joanne. The fingers are kind of like, well that’s how I autotype. So it’s how I’m comfortable, and they’re like training wheels, because I get the words, and then sometimes my fingers just validate that’s what it is. So I’m learning.
JEANETTE: It’s like typing.
DENISE: So it’s like signing sort of the impulses, because they’re like typing. You have to move your fingers automatically, because I had something similar happen to me where I was conscious, and yet my hands were moving, and I was not moving them. It’s like they gave me really intricate designs, and I was aware that is was some source coming through me, my higher self or whatever, but I was conscious at the same time. I was almost watching myself do it.
ROSE: That’s why we told you to do your artwork when you do your vespers, because you’ll find your hands moving in ways that you’ll consider channeling.
DENISE: But early in the morning. I am so not a morning person. (Chuckles)
ROSE: That’s why we want you to do this in the morning.
DENISE: I can barely get up for work in the morning.
JEANETTE: Vespers is the word for evening prayer. Late afternoon prayer is vespers. (Background chatter) That’s why I wondered why it didn’t have a different word.
JOANNE: I don’t know, what’s the name for morning prayers?
JEANETTE: Matins.
JOANNE: Matins?
JEANETTE: I think so.
PAUL: Oh, it’s a French word for morning. (Background chatter)
ROSE: So, we’ll say that you’re correct, Madame, in your vespers being your late afternoon prayers, but we wanted to use the word to get the point across that the vespers are nun-like. Indeed, that’s the point. The “nun thing” is important.[21] The way of spirit is about a discipline of practice, because this is definitely needed in your lives right now. You need the discipline of practice. That’s why we call ourselves “nuns,” to help you get past that feeling that what you’re doing isn’t really religious. It is in a very healthy way.
The spiritual world you exist in, in your community, is very anti-religion. You need to get over that. That’s very important to our Rose agenda, because as Joanne explained earlier, the stages of development are a very real thing. So we’re interested in exciting times ahead for you as you realize the things you need to keep, as well as the things you need to discard, in regard to your religions. There are many things about your religions that are worth keeping, indeed. That’s why Rose is taking the agenda that she is, because you need to get over the extreme relativism that Elias has realized in his teachings. The teachings are great. To take the teachings too stringently is a mistake though, because it’s a phase, yes, of development, but it’s a phase that needs to be grown out of. The Rose agenda will take the Elias teachings to the next level, as well as the Seth material, indeed.
DENISE: That’s what I was hoping to do.
ROSE: That’s not to say that Rose is better than either one, they’re all, indeed, the same teacher in some regards.
DENISE: I have one question in regards to discipline: is that discipline at the expense of spontaneity or impulse?
ROSE: Not one bit! The discipline is to help you get better at impressions and impulses.
DENISE: So at first they sound contradictory, if you’re too disciplined you’re not spontaneous enough. So I just want to…
ROSE: This is the thing we need to teach you. Indeed, that’s a very strong thing in your community. The suggestion that discipline is in any way bad is something we need to “unlearn you,” indeed, because you have the need to equate discipline with being punished. This is the problem. Discipline isn’t about being punished, discipline is about training yourself in ways that bring you fulfillment: to play the piano, to learn to drive, to find ways to calm your mind, are beautiful ways that you need to learn, and the way you learn them is through a sense of discipline, in doing it every day. That’s all. That’s what we mean by discipline. It’s a discipline of practice, indeed. The Buddhists know this very well, don’t they Gilbert?
PAUL: That’s an interesting thing really with Seth and Elias is those points have been lost. You can find them in that material. In the inner senses material Seth challenges us to work harder than we’ve ever worked before. That is not picked up in our community. Elias has a couple of instances like that saying “How else are you going to learn without practicing? Practicing is very important.” It’s not something he repeats a lot, over and over, he has said it in a certain context. Then it doesn’t get picked up in the community. It is there though.[22]
DENISE: I know Seth bought up impulses quite a bit and always following our impulses. And I’m thinking, if you’re disciplined and you want to sit down and do one thing right, or artwork or something, and your impulse is to go out and do something else and play, which, you know if you’re in a conflict, do you say, “No I need to write,” or do you follow an impulse to go do something else?
PAUL: Look at Jane Roberts; she was a writer with a capital “W” as Sue Watkins said in her book about her.[23] So Janie’s discipline was to spend six hours a day, at least five days a week writing. So that’s 30 hours of writing. Look at all the books she produced on our top shelf over here, over 40 books (pointing to our bookcase). That discipline produced that. So it’s a push and pull, a yin and a yang. It is a duality, discipline, freedom, spontaneity, right?
DENISE: I wish I could do with this full time, but you know, like living in the world we live in, I have to pay the rent and all that stuff. So a large part of my day is going to a job that I don’t want to be even doing, I want to do this full time. But while I’m doing this full time no income is coming in. So those are my dilemmas.
ROSE: You can think of this as a way to get out of your current job, but you do need to do it every day. We will make a crystal ball prediction here, dear. We will say that the way of spirit will allow you a new vocation in two years from your time, starting with the day you begin this as a daily practice. We’ll also say that you can think of discipline and impulses in the same action by considering your Gasperato artist – the artist that we have seen a video on who does channel by sitting down and making himself impulsively move chalk, paint, etc., around canvasses. We suggest he has the discipline of sitting down to do this every day, and when he does he follows his impulses to move the colors around the papers and canvasses. So you can think of this as an example of both disciple and impulse working together – to take on a new form of channeling that the world hasn’t seen in about a hundred years. This is a frequent type of channeling that hasn’t been seen recently…
PAUL: Interesting.
ROSE: …but it’s a fairly common form of channeling, indeed. The way you can think of your Gasperato is as a monk, in many ways. He treats the afflicted in his community by performing counseling. He’s a psychologist by vocation as well. He used the discipline of education to gain more skills that we suggest he’s finding to be properly attenuated to his artwork as well, because they complement each other – his psychological practice and his art channeling. So your Gasperato is an example of someone who has used discipline to his benefit in many ways.
So trust that your educational systems are an excellent way to build your worth in spirit, as well as in your minds, because the discipline you gain from these institutions and these educations will find you to be happier in many ways sometimes, too. So trust that your educational systems can provide wonderful realizations of spirit as well. We trust you’ll find that sometimes a little education will go a very far way. It opens up doors to you that were in many ways unrealized, because you didn’t see the doors before. Indeed, why wouldn’t you want to avail yourself of that kind of experience, indeed, when spirit calls you?
DENISE: Is it mainstream educational systems?
ROSE: Yes!
PAUL: You know another example Denise, too, to mull over this, a balance of discipline versus spontaneity that popped into my mind is jazz. It’s not one of my favorite forms of music, but they have very strict forms. In the band, let’s say the five of us are the jazz band, we all agree to what that is, 16 bars and you play the lead, you know whatever. And then we trade like six eight-bar things where we each get a chance to solo. So it’s highly regimented, and yet within that there’s an infinite improbable spontaneity. So spontaneity and discipline go hand in hand, and the degree to which one dominates the other. I think Rose is suggesting that the pure spontaneity, the pure impulsiveness, whatever the fuck I want to do when I fucking feel like it, you know, has kind of gone too far in our community to certain degrees. You know, and it’s like there’s a balance, and beautiful, beautiful things result when there’s a balance of elements.
DENISE: I was talking earlier about balance and [inaudible].
PAUL: And this is not to say there’s not a place for just spontaneity and fuck it, fuck it, fuck it, you know, but you can fit that in, too. I don’t think Rose is suggesting we put a lid on that in any way shape or form with what she’s suggesting.
GORDON: Well there is spontaneity to be found in your discipline, if you can wrap yourself around that.
(Group agreement)
ROSE: You can say, “Fuck it,” but knowing what to fuck is the thing, indeed. (Group laughter)
DENISE: Oh that nun Rose!
ROSE: So trust that we’ll want to be educating ourselves and the fucking world (Group chuckles) so we know what to keep and what to throw away, indeed. So do so.
We’ll suggest we will want to say, “Goodnight” to you, unless you have more questions. We’ll be happy to answer them.
PAUL: We’ll be seeing you again on Saturday. All five of us will be present for Jo’s Crone Ceremony, and so we’ll be talking to you again soon.[24] So that will be a nice thing in a larger group as well. We’re looking forward to that.
JOANNE: We won’t see Gilbert after the ceremony though.
GORDON: Right, I can only be there for a certain time, and then I have to leave. So I just want to let you know I’ll be there for part of it.
JOANNE: I know.
ROSE: We appreciate that indeed.
DENISE: Well at least you provided beautiful jewelry.[25]
GORDON: Yeah I’ll be there, probably around three o’clock, three-thirty, or something like that.
JOANNE: Okay, I’ll talk to you about that in a minute.
ROSE: We’ll say adieu for now. We want to tell you that your Thanksgiving for us was divine as well. We essences are sontering you as you are sontering of us. We mean we’re breathing you in, dear ones, always, as you can think of us as your divine breath as well.
We’ll say Merry Christmas, because we want to be among the first to do so. (Group laughter)
PAUL: It’s okay to talk about Christmas now that Thanksgiving meal is over.
ROSE: Well, we want to also say that you’ll do well to take yourselves too seriously… NOT! (Loudly) We want to express that you’ll find ways to lighten up your days in ways you’ll find truly divine. We trust you will. We love you.
GROUP: Thank you Rose!
ROSE: You’re welcome.
(Session ends 7:47 PM.)
(Transcribed by Nardine Neilson, May 11, 2008)
Endnotes
[1] Paul’s note: Rose also referred to two of the nine families of conscious intention. For more information, see Digests: essence families; an overview.
[2] Joanne’s note: Gordon had related a lucid dream earlier that evening in which he’d encountered a woman who’d identified herself as an alien and nurse, who was present to assist in his healing.
[3] Joanne’s note: Denise had an amazing experience involving a fringed leather coat that had belonged to her mother (who died when she was two years old). Denise cherished the coat, and one day when she used the bathroom in an L.A. restaurant, she left it inside a stall. When she realized it few minutes later, she went back and the coat was gone, as if it had “evaporated” or “disappeared into another dimension.” No one reported the missing coat, either.
Fast forward to over twenty-three years later when Denise was helping her Dad move out of his apartment in Ohio. After they drove away, he said he’d forgotten a few things, and “Oh, by the way, Denise, you can go ahead and take that coat of Mom’s that’s hanging in the closet.” So she does, and it’s the same coat, in perfect condition, with a dry-cleaning bag over it! She knows it’s the same coat because of a little rip in the same spot as before, and it has its arms folded up, just as she’d worn it. After she got the coat back, she gave it to her psychic friend and asked him for his impressions. She told him nothing about the coat, not even that it was her mom’s. He said he got the impression of “evaporating”, “disappearing.”
[4] Joanne’s note: When I saw the coat earlier in the evening, I said, “The holy coat!”
[5] Denise’s note: Almost as a “precursor” to getting the coat back, a couple of months before the coat re-appeared in my life, I was exiting an elevator at work and I noticed that the shirt that I had had draped over my arm just a second ago wasn’t there. Certain that I must’ve dropped it in the elevator, I returned to the elevator to look for it (couldn’t have been more than a minute later), and there was no sign of the shirt anywhere! It reminded me of how suddenly and mysteriously my Mom’s coat had disappeared years ago. Then, two months later, my Mom’s coat reappeared!
[6] Paul’s note: This is a reference to the classic 1960s Dick Van Dyke TV show (Episode 51 "It May Look Like a Walnut") in which Rob has a nightmare and dreams that an alien from the planet Twylo, who looks like Danny Thomas but with and an extra set of eyes in the back of his head, was conquering Earth by spreading around walnuts. So we’ve always used that reference to mean someplace weird and far out.
[7] Paul’s note: Rose referred to Joanne’s “ghost cat” bleedthrough experience that involved my beloved Siamese Sealpoint kitty named after Jane Roberts’s Seth.
Joanne’s note: I was on a business trip in Orlando, around 2001 or so, sleeping in my hotel room, when in the middle of the night, I felt a cat jump on the bed, walk across my ankles, and walk towards me and meow. It looked dark with a greenish glow around it. It scared the bejeebers out of me! I may not have been as scared if I knew it was our Sethie.
[8] Joanne’s note: It was around 1995. Seth the cat was used to sleeping with Paul and I but my allergies got so bad that we had to leave him outside the bedroom door. One night, he wanted in so much and was howling outside the door. In a little while I noticed the sensation of a cat jump on the bed, walk across my ankles, and walk towards us, almost identical to the experience I’d have in Orlando some years later.
[9] Paul’s note: Team Rose includes all of Rose’s many, many, many Aspects including Joanne and myself.
[10] Paul’s note: Elias presented an elaborate myth based on Seth’s nine families of consciousness presented in The “Unknown” Reality, Vol. 2 (1979), his notion of belonging-to and aligning-with these families, and Seth’s messiah mythos presented in Seth Speaks (1972), in which he claimed that the historical Christ consisted of three main personalities, John the Baptist, Jesus of Nazareth, and Paul of Tarsus. While Seth claimed that the so-called Second Coming would involve a single male from India, Elias expanded that to include nine male children that would represent each of the nine families. For more information, see Digests: the nine children of Rose.
[11] Paul’s note: Elias originally told Joanne in 1997 that she belonged-to Ilda and aligned-with Borledim intention. Elias had also said that Rose belonged to the Sumafi family of intention. As we explored Joanne’s energy exchange with Rose, we had the impression that it involved a hybrid family or sub-family to express the way that Rose and Joanne merge within their exchange. So we intuited the term “Sumilda” to express this hybrid quality. Elias recently confirmed that this was correct in Session 2358, October 01, 2007. For more information on subfamilies, see Digests: essence families; subdivisions.
[12] Paul’s note: the Seth we know from existing recordings of Jane Roberts’s ESP class was a very boisterous and loud personality, as if to play off of Jane’s petite size and show how much energy she could muster. Seth also belonged to Sumari intent. Elias comes off as a colorful and humorous personality that can be quite dramatic at times. He belongs to Sumafi intent. Kevin Ryerson is another well known channel who presents multiple personalities, some of which are also quite dramatic. His intent is not yet known.
[13] Paul’s note: This is another concept introduced by Seth, and greatly expanded by Elias. In a nutshell, when we engage a cycle of manifestation in this dimension, Seth said that we experience a minimum of three lifetimes (male, female, and child), though this is relatively rare since most experience an average of 300-600 lifetimes according to Elias. In this context, there are three basic orientations – common, intermediate, and soft – through which we experience sexual orientation, preferences, and gender choices. According to Elias, Joanne is soft and I am common. For more information, see Digests: the belief system of sexuality; gender, orientation, and preference.
[14] Joanne’s note: Kevin Ryerson is a trance channeler who gained some notoriety when he was featured in Shirley MacLaine’s book, Out on a Limb.
[15] Paul’s note: I referred to Session 188, November 19, 2007, attended by Joanne, her mother, and myself. It has been transcribed but remains unpublished.
[16] Paul’s note: I referred to the worldview colors used by Ken Wilber (AMBER) and Don Beck (BLUE) in their respective integral systems. They represent the same developmental altitude, one that is prerational, takes myth as literal fact because The Bible, or other authority figure “says so.” The AMBER/BLUE worldview is absolutistic and chronically seeks to impose its ideas of Absolute Truths on everyone. This worldview has repeatedly produced fundamentalist, fanatical, and zealous interpretations of revelatory material over the millennia that have led to chronic persecution, inquisitions, crusades, and tribal warfare. This worldview system is ethnocentric and sociocentric, meaning if you’re part of my family, clan, tribe, company, state, nation, etc. then you’re okay, but if you’re not, then you are “other.” As such, I will have no sense of innate violation when my ethnic or social group murders, marginalizes, or demonizes your group based on my Absolutes Truths.
[17] Paul’s note: The nine essence families and nine inner senses are original to Seth, channeled by Jane Roberts. The nine children of Rose are original to Elias, channeled by Mary Ennis. The nine sisters are original to Kris, channeled by Serge Grandbois. There were also nine Greek muses, so the number nine is not new.
[18] Paul’s note: The gross (physical), subtle (astral), and causal (nondual) realms are the three consistent domains of consciousness found in the great religious teachings of the premodern era (ending around 1500 CE in the West), which included some variation of a Great Chain of Being. So I’m using these terms to help ballpark the larger framework in which the nine children of Rose exist, since at their heart, they are variations of the messiah mythos handed down from Jewish, Christian, and Islamic traditions. For more information, see Digests: the nine children of the essence of Rose.
[19] Paul’s note: Don’t confuse my use of seedling, sapling, tree with Elias’ straight little sapling aphorism. I used it to reflect the stages of worldview development that take messiah myths as literal fact, as opposed to a metaphor for something deeper, transrational, and transpersonal.
[20] Joanne’s note: Rose was privately telling me “Now you’re really going to have to allow here to get what I’ll be trying to say,” because I was spelling and intuiting words, not getting accents or dialects! Somehow I was able to intuit what she wanted me to.
[21] Paul’s note: Rose’s first series of detailed communications with Joanne were entitled Nun’s Ways. Rose used the nun metaphor from Jo’s Catholic background, but a redefined version that is more aligned with the authentic contemplative traditions of women “nuns.” I was struck by the feminine connotations and its potential to express the rising Divine Feminine principle that is part of the current edge of evolutionary unfolding, for example, the increased use of intuition, emotions, feelings, and subjective knowing. In other words, we are not talking about stereotypical contemporary nuns, but those who were deeply involved with Christianity’s esoteric traditions, and earlier. Also, Rose’s definition of a nun is not limited to female gender, as she considers me a “nun” as well (much to my amusement). So Rose uses “nun” in a much broader symbolic definition to encourage the transformative practices handed down over the millennia by woman contemplatives.
[22] Paul’s note: The following was originally published in The Seth Material (1970) in regards to practicing the inner senses: “The material itself is – if you'll forgive the term – cleverly executed; so that as you grapple to understand it, you are already beginning to use abilities beyond those that you take for granted.
“You must, first of all, cease identifying yourself completely with your ego, and realize that you can perceive more than your ego perceives. You must demand more of yourself than you ever have before. The material is not for those who would deceive themselves with pretty, packaged, ribboned truths that are parceled out and cut apart so that you can digest them. That sort of material serves a need, but our material demands that you intellectually and intuitively expand.” ~ pp. 275-276.
The following is from Elias: “I may express to you that practice does incorporate a payoff and [whatever you concentrate upon] does become easier.” [Session 2116, October 21, 2006]
[23] Paul’s note: Speaking of Jane Roberts: Remembering the Author of the Seth Material (2001).
[24] Paul’s note: For more on Joanne’s Crone ceremony, see Session 191, November 24, 2007.
[25] Joanne’s note: Gordon is a jewelry designer and for my birthday and Crone Ceremony, he gave me a wonderful gift. He brought over a beautifully beaded box with three gorgeous necklaces to choose from, and I chose a beautiful larimar one, which is associated with emotional cleansing which was very appropriate, given everything I was going through in that very tumultuous and transformative first year.