“Fear is to Help You Get on Your Way of Spirit”

“Help Others Within Their Frameworks”

“Divine Defined”

“Essence Informs Your Thoughts”

“Fear Less About Suffering”

Session 277 (Group/Dinner & A Dead Gal)

Saturday, August 16, 2008

Participants: Joanne (Tyl), George (Lanya – aka Scruffy McGee), Sarah, Ursula, Tom, Mary, Catherine, Cynthia, Marcos, Will, Debi, Nardine (Daisy), Paul (Caroll), and Rumi the cat.

(Session Begins: 4:38 PM.)

(Nardine’s note: Joanne enters the room softly greeting all with hugs and hellos. Paul gallantly asks Jo to say, “Hi” to everybody, and several minutes ensue with greetings to all on the phone line, as well as Marcos in New York, Mary in San Francisco, Will in San Jose, Catherine in Tennessee, Cynthia in Oklahoma and mySelf in Australia, all with expressions of excitement and delight in participating.)

ROSE: (Jo rests-in-Rose[1]: 19-second pause, then Rose chuckles) Tour Team Rose[2] for news of the world! You don’t need a very big screen to see what we see, dear ones. So do trust that we do see you in spirit, always.

Now to say that another way, we’re there with you now. So don’t worry that your contrary phone doesn’t work correctly, spirit is always working for your benefit, in any case. So do trust that we’re there in your lines, always. Now we’ll say that we have more to say about the way of spirit for yourselves tonight, or this morning (Referring to the time in Australia, where it’s Sunday morning), as the case may be.

So do tune into your beautiful selves to decine – we’re making up a new word, D-E-C-I-N-E – decide what your way of Divine intervention will be. For you have a very many really wonderful things against all odds that you decide, in many ways, in divine fashion every day.

So don’t think that your decisions are ever without us tuning into your sontering.[3] You do sonter us – you breathe us in even when you don’t think you do. So don’t worry that you feal[4] that you’re not getting us, you are, as well as getting us very deeply, dear ones. (Humorously) So do trust that we have more to say always about all that “spirit stuff.”

So do take a few moments to just trust that we’re there with you, as well as wanting only your best selves to flow through your days in the most satisfying ways possible, okay? So do so, and we’ll allow your questions now, dear ones.

PAUL: Okay, the floor is open. (Gets up to turns the chimes off.)

ROSE: (Humorously) Paul is turning off the clock (Sarah chuckles), as well as sontering over to the camera to check the (More chuckling) variables there, divinely so, I must say.

So do you each have a sense of your own personal way of spirit, dear ones? Do you get that we’re trying to help you get the best way for yourselves in your world?

MARCOS: Yes.

ROSE: You do have a sense that you do have a sort of pre-divined path that is a very probable path, but there’s no reason to believe that there is only one path for you, dear ones.

There’s a geanius way to allow your best path in your way of spirit, and that is to allow only your favorite things into your world.

Now that sounds like a big order to fill, because you sometimes don’t need to figure those things out. You do have, for example, favorite foods, [favorite] provisions of friends, favorite ways to be in your world. Why not consider that your way of spirit is only your favorite things, then what to do about that?

Do you know what your favorite things are, actually? Do you now?

GEORGE: (Humorously) Tests.

ROSE: Tests. (Group laughter)

PAUL: (Laughing) That’s why no one is asking questions – once bit, twice shy.

ROSE: You’re exactly correct, George, that’s why we give them to you so far. (Group laughter and banter)

We don’t want to alarm those on the call about tests, but we do test from time to time.

When you fear too much what the way of spirit is for yourselves, when you fear that there’s only one way to view things sometimes is when we’ll test. That’s all you need to do to allow your tests, is to fear.

So when you fear that there’s only one really great question that Rose will ask, or answer, that’s when tests come into play. So don’t wrong yourself thinking there’s anything wrong with tests, that you’re not doing something correctly. These tests are sometimes difficult – we do know that – but we have much experience with teaching humans from our Space Department of Spirit.

So don’t wrong yourself when you get a test, but don’t also ignore them, because they are there to help you learn to get your best self in your way of spirit. So don’t wrong yourself, try to realize that we’re only doing these because we do love you dearly, as well as want only your deepest satisfaction.

There are things you’ve allowed into your beliefs that we do need to call you on at times. So when you fear things, when you feal there's only one outcome – contrary to your beliefs, there are very many that you don’t really pay attention to, always – so tests help you understand that so as to chreate[5] your best lives, dear ones, okay?

So don’t worry, Rose will be lenient with you for starters. Okay, dear ones? So don’t wrong yourselves now into thinking that you are doing the right thing by being silent church-mouses this evening, either. You are always doing the right thing. We only want your happiness.

So do speak up when you want to talk to Rose. We are here for your deeply sontering selves to understand us, as well as for you to best understand your deepest selves, dear ones, okay? So begin to ask us questions.

(Refers to the roses in a vase to her right) We do want to say the roses are, indeed, exquisite!

PAUL: Tom brought a dozen red-roses, and they’re sitting here in a vase next to Joanne-Rose.

ROSE: And hopefully George brought sausage.[6] (More group laughter)

SARAH: Cheese-filled!

ROSE: Okay, we’ll get to that in a little bit.

Yes?

MARCOS: This is Marcos. Can I begin?

PAUL: Sure!

MARCOS: Because I’m very excited to talk to you again, Rose, objectively, and I have a question that I would like to follow up from our conversation of earlier this year if I can?

ROSE: You can, yes dear Marcos, please.

MARCOS: We talked about something that I was doing, and I had embarked upon as far as a business activity – which you said some very lovely things about – and I’m referring specifically to banking to the underbank.

And just a few short weeks after that I received an offer to move to New York City, and it just seemed so right and so easy, even though it took me away from that path, if you will, at the time. And I’ve been second-guessing myself a bit, not too much. But I wonder if this is a detour, Rose, that I’m taking? Or as you just said a few minutes ago, there isn’t just one possibility for us, if it’s something completely different now, and I’d just love to hear what you have to say on that.

ROSE: You are correct that the…. (Screeching sounds on the phone line interrupt!)

PAUL: Thank you for stopping that noise whoever…. (Group chuckles and chats) It’s always amazing to me – Marcos just gets this very passionate, important question finally voiced and manifest (Group chuckling in background, Paul humorously) and the “devil noise” takes over. (Much laughter) This happens all the time.

MARY: I just thought that we weren’t allowed to listen to Marcos’ answer. (More laughter)

PAUL: Yeah, he got the answer during that noise. (Much chatter and laughter) You got all that Marcos, right?

Okay, thank you for muting or doing whatever needed to be done there, folks.

ROSE: If your transmissions sometimes have ways of fearing your ways, too, so your transmissions don’t want to take in your questions. So they sometimes have ways of fearing you as well, dear one. So we’ll continue with your question, dear Marcos.

The way you’ve corrected your path is what we’ll suggest is the way you’ve taken to your Big Apple (New York city). You needed to get on your way of spirit. In this, you took the Team Rose approach to allowing your deepest self to tell you how to take on your world.

You held your provision of trust in a very big way. You held your provision of realization of really deep connections so as to allow your question, even. You held onto the question for a long time before you asked us. Why is that, dear one? We’ll put you on the spot a bit tonight.

MARCOS: Thank you very much.

ROSE: You’re very welcome. (Chuckles with Marcos)

MARCOS: I think it has to do with fear – with the fear of being wrong – of having waited too long to say it. (Again, phone line noises distort Marcos’ words.)

ROSE: (Enquiringly) Hello?

MARCOS: I’m still here.

ROSE: Okay. You do allow the question though. This is a very geanius[7] thing. We aren’t saying that you needed to fear asking it. We’re only saying that you had a sense that you didn’t quite feal on track because of what Rose told you.

This is very geanius of you, because you fealt that there were more than one path before you. So you held onto your way of spirit to make your decision – you did that. You held onto your path of your way of spirit, dear one. You did that.

MARCOS: You’re right.

ROSE: There’s now some deep desire to possibly do something else, correct?

MARCOS: Yes, you’re absolutely right.

ROSE: You held onto your question until now for a reason, okay? So you held onto your question to realize asking again if you’re on your path now. There’s no reason to allow wrongness into your thinking about the job you’ve been doing, dear one, because you’ve been on your, otherwise contrary, path.

The path you chose was the one you needed to choose. Now you’re choosing, again, a path, but you’re always on the path. You don’t need to fear that you’re ever on the wrong path, in some ways, because you’ll always allow – you, Marcos, now we’re saying – will always allow your way of spirit, because you know the path now.

You know to trust your instincts, not your intellect only, all the time. You don’t need to wrong yourself about how you’ve chosen in your past, so don’t wrong yourself now for asking the questions, only fear fear itself.

Fear itself, or shall we say fear only, is to help you get on your way of spirit. Fear helps you move into areas that you’ll feal better about being in. You feared a bit when you took your job. You feared a bit when you asked Rose the question about fearing you weren’t on your path, but you were, in every way.

So don’t worry that you’re on your wrong path – you’re not. Only trust the instincts you have about your path, then allow the best self to flourish, for as long as you’re deeply satisfied, you’ll be on your way of spirit.

Now we’ll say, also, to your question about funding banks – you have more to that than you know right now. There are some probabilities that will allow you that in your future, but you don’t need to fear not being on your path because you’re not doing that presently, dear one, okay?

MARCOS: Yes, thank you so, so much my lovely Rose.

ROSE: (Affectionately) My lovely Marcos-Rose. (Paul and Marcos, smiling hearts) Indeed, we do love you very much, as always, dear Marcos. As well as all of you, indeed.

So do take on your Roses with your questions, dear ones.

GEORGE: I got a question.

ROSE: Okay, dear George.

PAUL: (To the folks on the speakerphone) George, has a question, go ahead. Please speak up so folks can hear.

GEORGE: Well I had kind of a conscious strange experience for the past two weeks where I almost couldn’t see anymore. Things were blurry. I couldn’t read. I had really a lot of pressure to my skull, and a voice within me said, “If you want to see conscious creation, here it is.”

I feel like something has switched – something shifted – and I was going to ask Rose if this was only physiological, or actually had something to do with the shift? Because it seemed like there was a possibility I was going to need glasses, or I was not going to be able to see. Yet today and yesterday I can see clearly, as I always did.

I tried everything I could. I tried to breathe in my essence and be in the moment, sometimes I’d drift, a little bit of panic would set in, some fear. (Humorously) I said “Holy crap, I’m gonna go blind!” (Group laughs with George) I couldn’t read either, I’m like “Oh shit!” A lot of pressure, and I thought my head was going to explode, and I could not focus with my right eye no matter what.

But there was this constant nudging, it said, “You want to see conscious creation, here it is.” And I said “I don’t want to go blind, god damn it!” So my question for Rose – I have a feeling like it was a kind of probability that I picked, it almost feels like that. Is that true or is it my mind playing games with me?

ROSE: You were truly being a very beautiful chreator in your way of finding your beauty in blindness. You had a sense that there were more things to see than what you could see with your eyes.

You held the experience in your visitation of essence, in a sense. You did allow essence in to allow your blindness to show you how to be in the world in ways that you did, in many ways, take for granted. But this isn’t to say that you take your sight for granted. We fear you may understand incorrectly what we mean, so let us explain. This is very subtle stuff here.

You held a sort of temporary blindness in order to experience that, for the way of spirit for you has to do with seeing things in ways that you didn’t before. You are shifting. You are shifting – George is shifting, as is the world also, but your shift is happening in a more accelerated manner than the world.

In some respects, you’re finding things to be realized sooner than you did earlier – you’re realizing ways of spirit that you didn’t before, too. You had to show yourself something that you hadn’t literally seen before. To say that another way, you did see things differently afterwards didn’t you?

GEORGE: I could say so, yeah.

ROSE: Sontering things is a way of getting to see things in psychic ways, in a sense. So you get a sense that there are things “innerly” to things that you don’t see with your eyes. So when you sonter, you see things that you didn’t with your eyes.

When blindness sets into persons who have been sighted before, they have a sense of awareness that is sort of like sight that is not exactly. But they do have a sense that sight has some properties that they don’t have. Yet, again, they do. So this is difficult to explain.

You can get this better if your sonter essence as you did during the experience to help you to explain, but to summarize, you did see things in ways that you did not before, we’ll suggest, after this.

GEORGE: Yeah, it makes you pay more attention.

ROSE: Yes, indeed.

GEORGE: And focus more. Was that essence plugging me saying, “You want to see conscious creation, here it is”?

ROSE: That is exactly correct. The exact expression was, “We are showing you how exchanges occur in essence.” We are here to show you how exchanges are happening, always, in essence. So you did correctly identify the space that you were in when this was occurring – gold star! (Cheerful laughter from all) Indeed.

So do, geanius boy, sonter us to help you get the most from us in your allowance of essence. You do exchange with essence, dear one. So allow your Roses to help you get that more into your days if you’d like, dear one.

GEORGE: I’d like to get Lanya by the scruff of the neck, you know, and have a one-on-one conversation.

ROSE: Get who by the scruff of the neck?

GEORGE: (And Paul in unison) Lanya.

ROSE: Lanya.

PAUL: His essence name.

ROSE: Your essence, indeed.

PAUL: From Elias.

ROSE: You have more to that than meets the eye, also. You do have Lanya by the scruff of the neck, but he doesn’t want to allow that. Only you should be held by your scruff of your neck, not your essence. (Laughter)

GEORGE: Actually, talk about a name, I was reading one of the transcripts you said that – I wasn’t aware when you said this to me, it was the end of the session – but I read this today and it said that my essence name is changing.

ROSE: You’re correct.

GEORGE: It’s in the process of changing. (George whispers) Scruffy McGee[8] (Much raucous laughter follows).

ROSE: You’re correct.

PAUL: (Amid laughter) To Scruffy McGee.

ROSE: That’s exactly the thing we Roses were going to say, dear one. So you’re connecting in some psychic ways as well, dear one. So don’t worry about the Scruffy McGee thing, you’re only the first one to get that focus name.

We all have Scruffy McGee focuses, well, Rose doesn’t exactly, (Sarah chuckles) but we in the royal sense of we, do indeed.

(Humorously) Only Rose could portend to youse the royal we and not include herself, indeed. (Marcos chuckles)

We are you, of course, but we don’t have focuses, indeed. So we’re joking a bit, but it’s accurate to say we don’t mean “we” when we say “we” sometimes. (Chuckling)

GROUP: (Bantering play) We! We, we. Oui, oui.

ROSE: Okay? (To Sarah) You have a question, dear one?

SARAH: (Suddenly on the spot) Oh no!

PAUL: (Pause, then deep laughter) Dead silence! (Group laughter and banter with Sarah.)

ROSE: (To Sarah) Rose says, “She has a nice haircut.”

GEORGE: (Affectionately jests with Sarah) Your whole vacation will be ruined, keep quiet. (Group laughter)

SARAH: Oh, I don’t know.

URSULA: (Encouragingly) Ask, ask!

SARAH: (Shaking her head) I don’t know.

PAUL: If you don’t have a question…

CATHERINE: Rose?

ROSE: Yes, dear one.

CATHERINE: This is Catherine. I have a question, but it doesn’t really have to do with me, it has to do with my Aunt. Can I ask it?

ROSE: Yes.

CATHERINE: Her name is Phyllis, and she’s sixty-three years old. And she recently told me that she felt like her whole life that her name should have been Wendy and that even when she was a young girl she told my Grandmother, “Why didn’t you name me Wendy?”

She just confided this in me, and then a couple of weeks after she told this to me, she told me she had this strange experience where she felt dislocated from her body. And she’s never done any reading about any channeling or anything like that – she’s a southern Baptist. So I just wanted some insight, maybe you could give me some answers on this Wendy situation.

ROSE: Indeed. You can inform your Aunt that God has some things in mind for her, if you’d like. But there’s, in some ways, no need for that, because you see she is, in some ways, in transition but is not exactly in league with spirit, in a sense.

We want to assure you she’s always in spirit, but sometimes people have needs beyond ways that you’d consider healthy. She is something of a believer in justice – she has a need for that. Sometimes when individuals have needs for things that are not being addressed to, they check out a bit, and when they do, it isn’t always a healthy thing.

But in your Aunt’s case it’s not exactly unhealthy. That’s all we need to say to you about her. She can avail herself of her Holy Book to allow her interpretation of her Wendy. Sometimes there are souls who have a sort of fear of other things that would be considered out-of-body. She’s “in league with the devil,” or so her fear is. So you need to assure her there’s no need to fear her experiences, only.

You don’t need to fear your fear either – she’s fine, she is fine, but she is fearful that there’s a fearful reason to explain her experiences, that’s all. So don’t fear what she’s going through, your fear will not help her. But do allow her to fear less by assuring her that the “Good Book” is, in many ways, a help for her in her need to connect the dots, so to speak.

You can say that, sometimes, inspired individuals have ways of fearlessly allowing some more information into their thoughts than they are used to. You can say that sometimes the spirit does work in interesting ways so as to allow her to assuage her fear about the experiences.

The Wendy experience is interesting. From your point of view, she is [experiencing] other focus information. She has, in many ways, connected with a Wendy who is a focus of hers in a future lifetime. So, in some ways, she is not doing unhealthy things, she only has an insufficient framework for understanding that, but there are some dissociative personality traits that are not healthy.

So you need to work through this for her sake only, not yours. So you can trust yourself to allow her to work through this in her framework, not yours, so as to provide comfort to her in realizing her ways are not unGodly – they are Godly in every way, they are.

So you can explain that the Wendy thing is only a sort of angel perhaps. Wendy can be considered an angel – sometimes when you connect with future focuses, they take on an angelic sort of sense of body, even. So your Wendy can be described as an angel to her, with some degree of accuracy, dear Catherine.

CATHERINE: Okay, well thank you, that really helps a lot. It gives me so much information.

ROSE: You’re very welcome. The thing to consider, when engaging individuals that have different beliefs than you, is to allow yourself to truly connect the dots in regard to their scriptures or their philosophies, because there are many similarities between what you study and what they tend to study, in regard to their religious tracts, so to speak. So do so.

And you’ll see many things for yourselves as well, that you can consider to be reflective of how you were in ways that always knew what you were doing, in a sense. You were always, in some ways, connecting with spirit, even though you sometimes disallow the prior religious teachings of yours. They do hold many beautiful teachings that have some value for you, even now at times. Okay? So do so.

CATHERINE: Okay, thank you.

ROSE: You’re very welcome, dear Catherine. You have another question that you’d like to ask Rose, Catherine?

CATHERINE: I do. I have one other strange thing that happened to me. Earlier in the summer in my backyard, I had three squirrels that died. And these were full-grown squirrels, and they were around this one tree and they kind of made a triangle.

They were just very odd because nothing like that had ever happened, and I felt like it was some kind of message, but I didn’t really know how to interpret it.

ROSE: You have a geanius way of fearlessly allowing imaginary ghosts into your purview, also. Do you understand that, when we say that?

CATHERINE: No, not really.

ROSE: Imaginary ghosts, in some ways, are the exchanges you make with essence that you sometimes interpret as ghosts. You have a sense that they’re always around the next corner, for example, so they’re not really ghosts. They are really only imaginary ghosts because they don’t really exist in physical reality. This has to do with your squirrels, so we’ll continue.

The ghosts you create imaginarily have to do with your squirrels. They have a sense that you do about ghosts, also – they fear them at times. So squirrels do allow you to fear only the things you need to. They realize reminding for you, about how you can fear only the thing you need to.

The fear has to do with how you interpret ghosts as things that should be feared. Ghosts don’t need to be feared, they only need to be understood, in some ways. So don’t fear ghosts. Don’t fear essence. Indeed, ghosts only have to do with spiritual things. (Humorously) Ghosts don’t need to be fed, or housed, so they are very easy house guests. Ghosts don’t need to be afraid either. They can be teachers for you all, indeed. So don’t fear ghosts.

Now the squirrels are ghosts, in some ways. They are the things you carry around with you in your days that have to do with fear of death. You fear the squirrels, in some ways. It’s understandable – they were very unusually arranged. They had a sense that they did need to do that when they died. They feared the way you might fear them. That’s why they did that. They knew you’d fear that a bit. That’s exactly what happened. You feared the ghosts of your squirrels because they were dead, after all.

They geaniusly allowed you to move through your fear of ghosts, in a very small way, so as to not scare you. They had a sense that you had to move through that in order to get on your way of spirit. So they did you a geanius service in your way of finding them spread-eagle, in a sense, around your tree. So when you fear death, remember the beautiful squirrels who geaniusly allowed you to fear not the ghosts of small things, or big things either.

You had a beautiful sense of this when you discovered the squirrels. We’re only reminding you of that now, dear one. So don’t fear ghosts, and allow yourself to truly, publicly say, in fact, if it’s helpful, that you don’t fear ghosts, for that is something that helps you at times to move through your fears. You do that very well, in fact, dear Catherine. So continue to realize fearlessness, and allow yourself to exclaim to your world, when you feal like it, that you don’t fear that ever again.

CATHERINE: That I don’t fear ghosts?

ROSE: That’s correct, that you don’t fear ghosts, indeed. We sound inane, we know, about this, but when you fearlessly look at the experience, you’ll discover things about what we’re saying that you didn’t realize before, we think, okay?

CATHERINE: I think so. So you’re saying like actual, literal ghosts?

ROSE: Literal ghosts.

CATHERINE: Okay, not like a symbol.

ROSE: Not like a symbol, real ghosts, for had you realized only one squirrel, for example, you wouldn’t have gotten the message.

CATHERINE: Okay.

ROSE: You did allow that to occur for a purpose. The three ghosts have a sense that you had them in your purview when you realized them then, also. They were there in spirit with you when you discovered them, so they were there as ghosts then, also. You didn’t fear them then, you don’t need to fear them now.

CATHERINE: Okay.

ROSE: Okay!

CATHERINE: Well that gives me something to think about. Thank you.

ROSE: Think about that, dear one, yes indeed. You’re very welcome.

You have another question, dear Catherine?

CATHERINE: I think I’m good right now.

ROSE: Good. We’ll allow your questions at another time, okay?

CATHERINE: Okay.

PAUL: I have a question for Catherine – maybe you’re picking up on that.

Catherine, two weeks ago you asked Rose about out-of-body projection advice[9], and she gave you a basic technique for transferring your awareness into a dream image of yourself in a dream room. And I’m just wondering if you did anything with that, and had any results to share with us?

CATHERINE: I did, but usually I end up falling asleep, (Paul chuckles) and so I haven’t actually had any experience that I’ve been aware of.

PAUL: Okay, but you tried it?

CATHERINE: I have, I have tried it and I tried to imagine, like remembering a dream, and trying to imagine myself flying and floating within that dream.

PAUL: Right.

CATHERINE: And if I do this in the daytime I don’t usually fall asleep, but I was trying to do it right before I’m falling asleep…

PAUL: Yes.

CATHERINE: …and I would just fall asleep.

PAUL: Right, and Nardine transcribed the session, and I’ve gone through it in the last few days, and I was really struck by it again, because it’s a great technique. And just to go over it a little bit – it’s difficult in a sense, but it’s a simple practice.

But it’s a sweet spot, and you fall asleep, but you maintain your awakeness – that’s the only way I can think of it. And suddenly you shift from physical body into dream body, and into that particular dream body, as well. So I’m just encouraging you and anybody who is listening today, and reads the transcript down the road, too, that practice makes perfect – to keep up the attempt…

CATHERINE: To keep with it.

PAUL: …and to try it. You can also try it if you wake up in the middle of the night. Say you have to get up and go to the bathroom – so you kind of wake up a little bit, briefly – just before you go back to sleep, and you can try it then, too. If you’re remembering a dream and as you’re falling back to sleep visualize it and just try and go into that, but remind yourself to stay awake, so to speak, and see if you hit that sweet spot. It’ll be way cool, and it’ll just thrill you to bits!

CATHERINE: (Chuckling with Paul) Well, I’ll keep trying. I’ve been kind of distracted. I’m a teacher and we just started back at school…

PAUL: Right, right.

CATHERINE: …so I’ve been like trying to get sleep and not wake up in the middle of the night and have my mind start racing on all the stuff I have to do.

PAUL: Sure.

CATHERINE: But once things settle back down I’ll try that.

PAUL: Great. Thank you.

CATHERINE: Thank you.

ROSE: You need only to allow, dear one. We’ll tell you that while we have (Smiling heart) the floor now, okay?

CATHERINE: Okay.

ROSE: So do you have other questions, dear ones? Anyone who hasn’t asked a question yet, perhaps? Tom.

TOM: Earlier you mentioned the word Divine and several permutations, and several uses. And usually that has the meaning of God or Gods. What is the Rose definition of divine?

ROSE: Mmhm, indeed. Decining to take on your Rose about that is a very geanius thing to do. So do take on Rose when you can because she needs to be kept honest, indeed.

Now we’ll say a bit about the word divine. You can say that really geanius beings are divine. You could say that really divine beings are geanius. You could say that divine beings are all things ever, but to say that would be only to confuse the issue. But the thing is that everything is, in many ways, divine.

You can say also that Divinity has some reason for calling itself that, of course. So Divinity has some aspects that you’d consider Godly, in some respects. There’s no Divine Being that would consider itself God, though, because your definition of God has to do with the summary of many things or all things. But summarily this is not true. There is no One Source, in some respects, because there’s no truth that One Source could elaborate on with no degree of difficulty, as there are no beings who know all things.

There is All-That-Is – that is true – and All-That-Is is All That, but the thing with All-That-Is is that there are more things you could consider Divine than That. As there are more things to be considered that are truly not All-That-Is, because they are included in All-That-Is, but to call Divinity All-That-Is isn’t an accurate representation that is fitting for a description that you suggest requires itself to be heard – it does.

So we’ll say that divine means yourselves in every way. Divinity has some realizations of profound experiences – that’s true – but also your deeply embarrassing experiences are also decidedly divine, as well as decined, by you, in spirit.

You have ways of decined actions that are truly, beautifully decined in ways that have more to do with divinity than All-That-Is, if you think of All-That-Is as something that exists outside of you. To say that another way, you have more to you than you could possibly imagine.

So when you ask questions that have to do with divinity, you only need to ask yourselves that question to get the best answer. For Rose can’t ever express to you how beautiful that is, because you would be best served by yourselves doing that expression, by allowing yourselves to find in yourselves the answers that you seek.

So don’t wrong yourself for asking the question – the question is a very geanius one. You only need to ask yourselves the question and allow Rose to assist you in providing the answers. That’s what we’re here for, to facilitate that, indeed, okay?

TOM: Okay, thank you.

PAUL: Can I ask a follow up question to that Rose?

ROSE: Yes, indeed.

PAUL: You mention All-That-Is, and it’s a familiar term to many of us who are Seth readers, of the Seth books, and Elias, and Kris, and so on.[10] I’m wondering if you would tackle that, also, in terms of another way I conceptualize it – as the One and the many. And the One is an Absolute – with a capital “A.” It’s omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent, as it’s described in theological terms – the One, but it’s also nested within the many. It’s also called the relative in the Absolute.

Someone asked their guru why did the One create the many, and the guru supposedly answered because it wanted to have dinner with someone. (Laughing) Which is a pretty Kosmic answer, when you think about it!

But I’m just wondering then if you could add to your answer to Tom, in terms of how you define Divinity, in terms of the One and the many. It would seem, of course, the One is Divine but that of course then, the many being nested, permeated by the One is also Divine.

ROSE: You have a sort of answer in your question, that there are reasons for allowing All-That-Is to be, in your terms, allowing having dinner with a friend, in a sense. That sounds like it’s a bad way to say that there are many reasons for allowing dinner with a friend, but what would you say to the question, “Why would you want to have dinner with a friend?” dear one?

PAUL: Because I get to know myself better through others.

ROSE: As well as get to know others, too.

PAUL: Yes.

ROSE: So you have a sense that there are some Aspects to Divinity that are perspectival…

PAUL: Right.

ROSE: …as well as perspectival in the sense that they have multiple ways of seeing at the same time, also. So you can say that you can take perspectives, one or another at a time, but to take all of them on at once is also a factor in understanding the difficult question you ask about All-That-Is.

So to say that in a way that is simpler, that is: All-That-Is is All-That-Is. And in this, It splits into various sorts of Aspects, as well as sonters only the things It wants to, as well as sometimes the things It needs to, as well as sometimes the things It has to in order to be alive.

Sontering is what All-That-Is does all the time, in every way possible, as well as every way impossible, as well as every way in you, in your interest in your question. You have All-That-Is involved in that, also. So to say that you have more to you than meets the eye, you could also say that you have more in you than meets His eye.

That is All-That-Is at any given time, for All-That-Is can only see into things one thing at a time, whether the things are one thing only, or All Things only. You could say that there are some ways that are impossible to only see at once. That will help you sonter the answer because there’s only so much we can do to help you grasp the Bigness that is implied in the answer, indeed.

So did we answer your question, dear one?

PAUL: You did a good job, yes, thank you. There’s a lot there to consider.

ROSE: (Joanne chuckles) Indeed, there is.

PAUL: The other comment that comes up impulsively is that within the many, what’s so beautiful about all those splintered Aspects of the One, is that they’re designed so that they see themselves, and I see myself, as the center of All-That-Is.

In my I-space – talking about perspectival (different perspectives) – my first person perspective, my I is the center of the universe, and everyone else has the same kind of thing going on, which is really an amazing paradox.

So here we have the center of the universe, right here on planet earth, according to me today until I check out and take on another perspective, and the Dance of Consciousness continues. So thank you.

ROSE: That’s exactly correct, dear one. We’ll also say that sometimes you don’t have the world in your grasp, as the world changes in every moment. To say that in a way that you may be familiar with, the world is trying to tell you things that are only for you, as well as your Aspects, but there is some difficulty in this. [Try] to imagine that you have only yourself in mind when you say that, but when you are truly not you – but essence – you have more that meets the “I” in terms of worlds that you are inside of.

You have more to you than you know. We know you meant yourself as Paul, but you are more than that.

PAUL: Right.

ROSE: That’s all we’ll say about that. Now, we’ll say also that you have a sense that you are more to those who would call you only selves – in the small “s” sense – for you have more to you than you can tell only from using your small selves “s.” So don’t think of yourselves as starting with a small “s,” start with a big “S,” as well as a big provision of decining to allow your best expressions in spirit. For you are all that, as well as All-That-Is, so start to begin to allow yourSelves to use a big “S” when you think about yourSelves, indeed. So do so.

And we’ll allow your break now, if you’d like, so you can get some dinner (Paul chuckles) as well as a dead gal. (Group chuckles)

PAUL: Well, thank you Rose. We’ll shift from the Kosmic to the practical. (Laughs)

ROSE: Indeed, the way of spirit feasts on Self all the time, (Group chuckles) you only need to determine what Self is at the moment, dear ones. So do so. And we’ll be back in a short while to continue your glorious conversation.

GROUP: Thank you, Rose.

BREAK: 5:49PM.

(Debi joins the teleconference group during break!)

RESUME: 6:17PM.

(Rose Arrives: 13 Seconds. George’s daughter Sarah is resting-ON-Rose J)

ROSE: The way you have of being in your world is beautiful, dear ones. You have a sense that you realize the way of sensory experience in your days, for food, wine, sex – all the beautiful things of life – are the things you need to enjoy in order to get your way of spirit. There is really not any other rule besides allowing your sensory experiences to bring you deep satisfaction, as well as deep realizations, of essence in your days.

We are here always to share the best information we can with you. We tell you things that, in some ways, are providing of future scenarios. We sometimes allow your best thoughts to be brought into your days in ways that you don’t think of, for your thoughts are wonderful things. Sometimes you don’t pay attention to them, so we try to remind you of them when you’re least expecting it at times.

So for example, when you fear things you think, “I will fear that,” but when you don’t fear something, you don’t think, “I don’t fear that,” do you?

So you have a sort of hidden belief that we bring into your awareness at times, to try to get the thoughts you are deeply thinking to your deep thinking, but also to your awareness. So when you realize that, you have a sense of how essence works in your days, every day. So we do take on your thoughts, to say the least – to take on your thoughts is a very big task.

Your thoughts empty out any intuitions at times from your minds, so we try also to allow your intuitions into your minds so as to get the best thoughts of essence. We talk to you through your intuitions, as well as the thoughts that are best for you, so to speak. The thoughts that are best for you are the best ones that we forget about at times, but the best thoughts are those that are of essence.

So don’t forget that the thoughts you have are us, also. Indeed, not just your impressions, as well as intuitions – the thoughts are very important. To say that thinking is bad is not correct, thinking is very geanius at times.

So thinking does sometimes get in your way of achieving what you want, because you think, think, think about things too much. So don’t think too much, but do think, sometimes, the best thoughts you can, and we’ll assist, also.

Now do want to allow your questions now, dear ones, instead of Rose talking, talking, talking all night long, dear ones? (Group chuckles) You are thinking about that, so that’s good, indeed. So do take on your thoughts, and we’ll allow your deepest thoughts to become questions now, dear ones.

TOM: How can we recognize whether a thought was coming from essence as opposed to coming from focus?

ROSE: Did you hear that, dear ones?

FEMALE: Yes.

ROSE: How do you tell what the thoughts are from – in spirit, or from essence, or from your deepest fears, even. Correct?

TOM: Correct.

ROSE: So you could say that your thoughts come from anywhere you might consider thinking as being from. Your thoughts are sometimes inspired, so when you’re getting inspired thoughts, they are from essence.

Sontering essence gets you these thoughts. You only need to breathe in your essence in order to allow inspired thoughts, and you also allow fearlessness when you do this. The things are intertwined, because when you fear less, you allow more intuition as well. Inspired thoughts would be considered the same things as intuitions, in a sense. We’ll not squabble about the differences – there are a few, but the thing to keep in mind is that they are from essence.

The fears you have come from places that are not essence-like, but all essence does inform your thoughts. We are allowing a distinction between essence-like and essence, because all is essence in your physical reality, but to say that things are not essence-like is the distinction here we’re making.

So essence-like are your thoughts that bring you, sometimes, joy, as well as satisfaction, but sometimes they also cause fear, because they may be things that you’re not in complete control about. For example, you may get a contrary speech in your mind to say to a person who isn’t doing you a bit of good. They may be disarmingly good, but they may be hurting another, in a sense – disarmingly good in the sense that they seem good, but they hurt others.

There is reason to take on someone like this in a contrary speech, but you may be fearful about that. So sometimes intuitions have the ways of fear in them, but are, in many ways, also fearless in that expression. So you can say, then, that intuition can cause fear, but [is] not from fear, in a sense. So don’t fear the intuitions only. Intuitions can help you, then the fear does also, by allowing you to inform yourself of any realization of changes you need to make.

For example, the way you have of disarmingly speaking to your person who is hurting others may require you [to make] some changes in order to get to the place you need to be to do that. You may need to allow yourself to prepare things for yourself. You may need to allow yourself to be addressing to beliefs about speaking up about things. You may need to be allowing yourselves to beautifully chreate situations to allow you the best situation, to get the contrary self[11] to be allowed into the room, so to speak.

So you can truly allow change as a result of fear, but not to fear the fear, only to allow the fear to change you in ways that you need to be changed, for change is the only constant that you have, after all. So don’t worry that change is bad – it’s not. It’s only needing to be done in fearless ways that allow your satisfying experiences.

We’ll allow your questions again, dear Tom, if you’d like.

TOM: Besides thoughts, does essence communicate to us through the physical world, the physical environment as well, and if so, how can we best recognize that or interpret it?

ROSE: Your essences completely chreate your reality. So there’s reason to expect that they will allow themselves to be making you aware of them in reality, but not in ways that are always allowing notice.

You can say that they are subtle in every way – that’s exactly the word that’s used in theoretical venues in regard to how that realm is exposed to you. The realm in itself has other Aspects that would be considered truly not subtle, but to you, you can best express this realm as subtle, as you are the gross realm, [as] your integral theory says.[12]

So don’t worry about the terms, but there is subtlety to how essence treats you in your reality, for you do have a sense that they do chreate your reality, but you don’t realize it fully unless something really beautiful happens, in your terms. But you have a sense that beauty is only a certain way, so you sometimes discount the beautiful things that we chreate that you don’t call beautiful.

For example, suffering is not beautiful to you, but it is to us, because it helps you gain favor in ways that are truly spectacular. Take the word favor from the sentence – what do you get? You get favor as a sort of sense, not favor in the “we will reward you” sense. You gain more from suffering than you know. That’s why you don’t see how beautiful it is.

So when you feal that you’re not getting essence, you may only need to open your aperture a bit to allow more excitement, as well as perception to flavor your favor in your world. You favor things that you hold truly spectacular to you without always seeing what’s spectacular to us, indeed, in essence. So essence speaks to you always. You just don’t always listen to it, indeed.

Okay? Any questions from the telephone people tonight?

MARCOS: May I say something that speaks directly to what you just said, about sometimes beautiful not being beautiful, in our perception?

ROSE: Yes, dear Marcos.

MARCOS: An example, because something just clicked very, very nicely. For a long time I’ve had these very powerful dreams, as a matter of fact that was one of the two questions I was going to ask – and this is not a question, it’s just an example of what you were saying.

I have these dreams where I feel this very, very deep sadness, longing, melancholy – I’m not sure what to call it – but it’s extremely profound, and I wake up crying. And when I started having these dreams, which was a long time ago, of course I felt this was a bad thing.

I’ve kept having them – my feelings have changed a little bit – but it was until just this minute, as you said, you know, how essence reaches out to us, touches us, and is with us, that we may not consider beautiful. But in a sense, I just picked up that this was essence connecting with me, and I hadn’t realized it.

ROSE: You’re correct in every way, essence has more to you, also, than you can imagine. You have a sense that you are truly in scope when you feal things. You can trust that when you feal bad, even, that you only need to adjust your focus a bit to allow that to be beautifully helping you realize the connection you have with essence.

So don’t wrong on yourself for fealing bad. You only need to allow that as a sort of balm that essence gives you in those times. You don’t need to allow only gladness, that’s not your experience as essence in physical form.

Do take on your sadness without making yourselves sad. You don’t need to do that, but you can embrace sadness as a communication from essence that says that you are truly beautiful in your suffering, indeed. For your suffering is what makes you human, as well as beautiful in our eyes.

How could you possibly know how others feal, if you don’t suffer like they do? Indeed, you can’t, but how can you also feal badly when others do things to you? You can take that as a clue as to what we’ll say next. How can you decine how you want to proceed on your way of spirit if you don’t have a sense that suffering needs to cease?

So yousing suffering as your way of talking to yourself – from essence to physical self – is your way of finding more ways to connect. To take on suffering is why you became fully human, as well as fully decining in your way of spirit. It will tell you how to realize your most satisfying life – suffering will. You just haven’t learned tools for doing that. So take on suffering, but don’t take on more than you need to. Only allow that when you feal the need to, and don’t wrong on yourself for doing so.

But you’re correct, dear one, that the way of spirit calls you to be suffering at times, and that is part of the reason you’ve decided to become a physical focus, indeed. So continue your deeply distinct ways of finding value in your suffering, for each person does so a little differently, and your way is truly as unique as any others, but you can’t know that if you don’t fear enough to learn about others.

Fear helps you beautifully learn about others. Fear helps you because it helps you know what you need to change about yourself. So learn about others by fearing what you need to, then allow yourself to change in ways that will allow you the best responses to the world’s suffering. For it is, as well as you’re, suffering – there is much more to you in the world’s suffering.

So take on suffering to allow you to learn about yourself, as well as the world, and you’ll see that essence is, in every way, involved in that expression, as is the world of fear in you. Fearing less about suffering is a geanius way to allow yourself to open more to essence, indeed. The way of the world is not a big party all the time – it suffers, and you’ll do well to connect with that, too.

Okay, dear ones? We don’t want to allow you only the realization of fun – that’s important, indeed – but fun can’t exist in a vacuum, in a sense. You need to explore the other varieties of expression in the world as well, dear ones, okay?

So do you have more questions, dear Marcos?

MARCOS: No, I understood before on an intellectual level what value fulfillment[13] was, and that it doesn’t always come with being happy and with having fun, but until tonight I think I truly realized that eternally, and that was a beautiful answer. Thank you, Rose.

ROSE: You’re very welcome, dear one. We wean you of your need to allow us into your days, in some ways. We want to say that you have ways of connecting directly with your own essence these days, as well as finding new expressions.

So continue to open the aperture, dear one, and allow more into your nights as well – we are teasing you a bit – but we’ll say, again, how very dear you are to us. So continue to think of Rose as your dream friend, dear Marcos.

MARCOS: Thank you, Rose.

ROSE: You’re very welcome. Now we’ll also say that you have a sense that the Big Apple is Rose, also. You moved into the big apple, which is a variety of rose, don’t you know, dear one? You do know this, we just want this on the record, that’s all.[14] (Group chuckles)

NARDINE: Beautiful. Very big, rosy red apple. (Laughing with Marcos)

ROSE: (To George) Go ahead.

GEORGE: Actually, I had a question. What’s Rose’s color? When I was talking to Elias many times, I will see blue patches around me, and I kind of connected, I felt it was Elias, and he confirmed that to me. Now, what’s Rose’s color? Maybe you’ve said that, but I’ve never found it.

ROSE: No! We’ve never been asked that question before, dear one.

GEORGE: Because you see Rose is with us. Well, the other ways to be identifying Elias is by his color being around me. I will see it. It will pop up or show up. So?

ROSE: You’re correct that Elias has the blue dots in mind as a means to see him, in a sense, around you. This is a beautiful way to express the Elias energy in ways that you can see visually.

We allow you to connect in fealing tone mostly, so when you feal good, when you feal senxy – meaning sexy and sensual – that’s Rose helping you to connect with essence. Rose has ways of getting to you…

GEORGE: More subjectively?

ROSE: …in ways that are more subjective, yes. (Affectionately) Dear George, we may run out of gold stars for you, indeed. (Ursula chuckles) You have a very geanius way of connecting with Rose already.

GEORGE: I’m looking for that favor.

ROSE: (Joanne chuckles) So you do have a sense that we are with you at times. You haven’t quite it acknowledged as Rose, but you have the sense in you, always. You just don’t always know that’s Rose. You can say that we’re your…

GEORGE: Guardian angel?

ROSE: (Humorously) …funny self, too. (Joanne laughs) So you can think of mirth as a Rose quality in you.

GEORGE: Mirth, what’s mirth?

ROSE: A very deep sense of humor.

GEORGE: Oh, okay.

ROSE: And deep sense of joy – that’s mirth, more or less.

GEORGE: So was Rose… when I was like thirteen, fourteen, that was, like, my double? Was that Rose for about a year and a half? Was that my essence?

ROSE: You had a double, in your terms, in physical reality. Right?

GEORGE: Yeah!

ROSE: And right now, doubly speaking, you have a double also, but not as weird (Joanne laughs) as that. In other words you don’t…

GEORGE: Well, I can’t see this one then.

ROSE: That’s exactly right. You have a double in essence, in a sense, that you have a double essence who has a sense that you have more Georges around you, in a sense. We’ll explain.

Sometimes exchanges occur in odd ways. You can say that, in some respects, you have a double essence, at times, because you have a sort of sontering into two areas – your intuition may go one way, as well as your impressions are, in some ways, going in a different direction. This is not unusual, but sometimes the essence in your intuition tells you things that the impression essence would not.

You can sense that we may be testing you, and we are in a sense, but not completely, because there is an Aspect that is always you. Okay? So that’s correct. But don’t get too wrapped up in essences, because that’s why we’re testing you a bit. You’re correct in your impression, the intuition is wanting you to be pulled into another direction sometimes, that’s all.

The essence is the same – the interest in essence is the same – but sometimes you feal that you have a doppelganger in spirit, and you do because sometimes you move into areas that allow your expressions to be pulled in many directions. This is sometimes weird.

In the case of your double that you knew as a child, you had a double, physically speaking. Now you have a sort of double spiritually speaking. That double has some things in common with you, and some things not in common with you. That is to say he has a sort of fealing tone like yours, but it is not exactly the same as yours.

So he has some Aspects to you, and you have Aspects of him, but they do not completely overlap. This is an unusual thing, and we’re testing you, dear George, but don’t get worried that the test is a bad one. You only need to allow yourself to become physical in ways that you’re not. You have split off some of yourself into this doppelganger that you sense.

GEORGE: I’m aware of that.

ROSE: You’re aware of this, that’s why we’re testing you – to not take this too literally, because this is why you want to take in the doppelganger, not split it completely. You are from the same Source, not different essences. So don’t realize fear when we say that you need to allow yourself to inherit his Aspects.

You don’t need to, to be happy, but you may want to consider it in order to allow more of you into you. That’s why we went on the track we did about essences not being split – there is no split in essence. You don’t need to worry about this doppelganger. You do need to ensure that you understand that the person is you, not another, that’s all.

GEORGE: Scruffy fears nothing! (Group chuckles)

ROSE: Scruffy is a warrior in spirit, indeed.

GEORGE: Well, thanks for clearing it up.

ROSE: (Humorously) That was as clear as mud, we know, but don’t worry, we’ll say less about that at another time. (Group chuckles)

PAUL: Can I add a comment to the beginning of that whole thread there. I’ve always experienced Elias’ energy with blue dots. He extends his blanket of energy and so on, but I’ve never visualized that, but I do get the blue dot phenomenon regularly.

With Rose though, I’ve associated a blanket of pink, almost magenta energy at times. So I do have a color association with Rose, and it’s typically in meditation where I am just resting, and witnessing, and experiencing subtle energy, imagination, reverie and so on. So I want to offer that as a valid experience of Rose energy.

ROSE: You can say that, indeed. That is a very geanius way to get the Rose energy into you when you need to. This is why we suggest that you do the rest-in-Rose exercise[15], because the way we describe it is as resting in a beautiful rose that smells wonderful, that feals subtly beautiful and envelops you in her loving embrace.

So when you feal the need to connect with Rose, that is a very good way to do that, indeed. So do so.

Indeed, we like the color pink very much, and when you see that, you can think of Rose as that color, and when you realize the singing of birds – that is also Rose in your world singing to you in ways that are truly realizing of our great desire for your happiness, indeed.

So do continue with your assurances that Rose is with you always, and learn to allow her into your bodies, as well. She is in your minds, and especially in your hearts, for Rose is very heart-centered, indeed.

So continue to ask you your beautiful questions, dear ones.

PAUL: Well, just one follow up on that. I realize belief systems are involved in that perception, and I wanted to point out that Elias early on in the game mentioned that Rose – as a Sumafi essence – represented the family of Borledim.[16]

So from the beginning of my interaction with Rose, I’ve always associated the color pink with Rose, because of that. So whether that’s self-fulfilling or not doesn’t matter as much to me, but that’s how I subjectively in my I-space translate that energy. So I just wanted to throw that out to George’s question about color, too, and that’s a valid expression even though you were kind of craftily avoiding putting a color on it. (Ursula chuckles)

ROSE: You’re exactly correct that the game that Elias gamely gave you was a very unique, theatrical experience that truly was a geanius way to teach you about Rose, as well as the other essences in your allowances of spirit. Rose is the Sumafi essence representing Borledim in the game. She is always representing Borledim but, in some ways, not always as a Sumafi. We’ll explain.

Borledim has a sense that all things are beautiful, so any energy that represents Borledim in the game needs to be allowed to get a big portion that would be considered knowledge for essence. This is a very big subject, so we’ll do our best to try to explain this in ways that you can understand.

But the Sumafi essence Rose doesn’t need to only be Sumafi to represent Borledim in the game, or in life for that matter. She only needs to allow herself to be whatever Borledim needs to be. So her essences are whatever they need to be, in whatever situation they need to be. Sumafi is how you’re chreating the Rose that Elias has suggested he has in his portent of knowledge, but Sumafi isn’t the only expression of Rose.

By far, Rose has much to do with all your essences, as well as expressions of intentionality. To say that another way, Rose chreates all your reality, Rose is all your reality.[17] Okay? (Joanne chuckles)

So to say that another way, we are truly giant – as geanius as that sounds, it’s not, because you’re also giant, dear ones.

So Rose has something to do with Borledim, you could say, but Sumafi isn’t the only expression. The Sumafi expression that Elias had in mind was his implicitly. So Sumafi has some Rose in their intentionality, Sumari does, also Ilda, as well as all their chreations – all have Rose in them. And Sumari, even, has Rose, even though Sumari sometimes is associated with Seth.

To say that another way, Rose is a really big essence that has a big way of getting intentionality taken care of when it needs to occur in any given space or time. So Rose has Sumafi essences, she has Sumari essences, as well as all the types of intentionalities in the universe you know.

Rose has Sumafi intentionality in her way now that she’s sharing this information with you, but that’s only your way of getting the best Rose you want to tell you things that are distorted in the least. So to say that we’re only Sumafi is not exactly accurate – we’re all things.

And to say that we’re only Sumafi to you sounds more accurate, and it is, but it's not entirely the case, because Rose has many intentionalities included in her. So don’t fear that you need to only express Sumafiness, in some ways – you don’t. There are many beautiful expressions in every way associated with every intentionality, not just Sumafi.

So don’t worry that we’ll test (Joanne chuckles) you on this – we won’t. We’re only saying this for the knowledge that you have of the Borledim intentionality that we’re always interested in – the Borledim intentionality – but that’s not the only interest we have. We’re interested in all things that ever lived in your experience of physical reality, that’s all, indeed.

(Joanne laughs) So do you have any questions, dear ones?

PAUL: That’s a tough one to follow. (Joanne chuckles) No, that was multidimensional, thank you.

ROSE: Indeed.

GEORGE: I got a follow up question, may I? Anybody, do they want to ask? Let them ask.

PAUL: Does anybody out there on the phone have a follow up question? If not, George has one.

MARY: This is Mary. I’m kind of new to this and I was wondering about finding out about my own family of consciousness and intentionality.

ROSE: You are something of a unique sort, dear one, because you have several ones and you can allow yourself the understanding of them when you get into the Elias teachings we’ll recommend. We will tell you, okay? But we want you to feal around a bit in the teachings so you can get more from the experience than if we just tell you, okay?

MARY: Okay.

ROSE: So we’ll allow your questions at another time when you get a sense of what they might be, and your beautiful friends here can help illuminate you as to where to find those beautiful teachings.

PAUL: (Humorously) Oh, she’s such a tease.

ROSE: That’s a very good question, dear one. So continue to allow your intentionality to find you in spirit, because you’ll find that it is an excellent way to get the best way of spirit for yourself, okay?

MARY: Okay, thank you.

ROSE: Thank you.

PAUL: Mary, this is Paul. I will send you an email with two links in it – one to Seth’s overview, and one to Elias’ overview of those nine families.

MARY: I’ve read them both.

PAUL: Well then, what are your impressions?

MARY: I don’t know, you know depending on the day of the week and how I’m feeling, (Humorously) I feel differently about it.

PAUL: Okay, well it’s Saturday in Castaic and it’s Sunday in Melbourne, (Group laughter) so what are you feeling right now?

MARY: I think that probably I identify most with Sumari…

PAUL: Okay…

MARY: …the kind of work that I’m drawn to, etcetera.

PAUL: And what’s a secondary draw?

MARY: Mmhm, you know nothing’s really resonated with me. I mean, I’ll look at them and I’ll think that Vold could be – but then, you know, I’m confused.

PAUL: Okay, so you got Sumari-Vold so far. Rose, would you care to comment on those impressions?

ROSE: That’s a very excellent way to geaniusly provide yourself the answers. So we’ll say that you’re confirmed as Sumari belonging-to. Sonter the essence families in order to allow your understanding that you’re also Sumari aligned-with – that’s why you’re having trouble, (Paul chuckles) decining your aligned-with, dear one, you’re both!

PAUL: A double.

ROSE: That’s why you also have impressions about Vold, because that can seem Vold-like having the double (Paul chuckles) belonging-to and aligned-with, dear one.

MARY: Hmm, thank you.

ROSE: You’re very welcome, so continue your impressions, and how you might youse those beautiful teachings in your days to bring you joy and satisfaction, dear one, okay?

MARY: Thank you very much.

ROSE: You’re very welcome. Now we’ll also say that you have a sense that you’re wanting to break out.

MARY: You have no idea! (Group chuckles)

PAUL: (Who belongs-to Sumari) Oh, some of us do! (More laughter)

ROSE: You, in many ways, sometimes do have that in you when you fear also. So don’t fear that you need to do that soon, but you do [always] have that sense.

That is what Sumaris do – they break out all the time. So you only need to fear less about how you will do that, and then allow that, only you may not only break out once, you may break out continually in your way of spirit, okay?

MARY: Okay, (Chuckling) thank you, lots to think about.

ROSE: Yes, indeed, and impressions are also very geanius, dear one. You do a geanius job of following your impressions, indeed.

MARY: Thank you.

ROSE: Now we’ll say, also, that you have a sense that you get more from breaking things than breaking out, so we suggest you break out and not things so much, dear one. (Mary and group laugh)

Now who haven’t we heard from this evening, dear ones?

URSULA: (Whispers) Will.

ROSE: Will, do you want to…?

URSULA: And Cynthia.

ROSE: Cynthia?

CYNTHIA: Yes, I have a question.

ROSE: Okay.

CYNTHIA: I was wondering if you could talk about what happens when you project energy, and how that can not be intrusive. I’m just not wanting to be intrusive, I’m wanting to make sure that I’m not when I’m doing that, and I had an experience this week – or last week actually – where my Mom had called and asked me to send energy to a friend.

I sat for a few minutes and did that, and I was wondering if I actually connected with him? I felt his anger and I felt happy that he was angry, actually, because I knew that was better than he had been feeling. And I was just wondering if you could comment on that experience.

ROSE: There is a difference between allowing energy and intruding, so don’t wrong yourself for ever intruding, because there is no intruding, in many respects. So don’t worry that you’re only intruding when you’re actually lending energy to individuals.

There’s really no need to ever fear about intruding in that manner…

CYNTHIA: Okay.

ROSE: …because there’s no intrusion, in some ways, in spirit. There’s some, sometimes, but that’s a bigger story. When you try to send energy to someone, you only harm the way that you have of getting to your….

JOANNE: Hang on, let me back up.

ROSE: When you have a sense that you have hurt someone, that’s only your way of saying that you need to allow more interest in your own self sometimes, because you don’t need to intrude on others.

You only need to sometimes allow yourself some things that you don’t necessarily do. So don’t wrong yourself for doing what you think is intruding when it’s only your way of saying to yourself that you need to allow some things that you’re not for you, okay?

CYNTHIA: Okay.

ROSE: That will take some time to sink in, but we’ll trust that you know what we mean. The way you have of sending energy to others is geanius, dear one. You have a sense that they need that. You do connect with them in beautiful ways.

You did with your friend, indeed, you did, so don’t worry about getting more information, either, than is necessary – that won’t happen. You’ll only get the information that is needed for you to know, as well as sometimes to act on in ways that are intrusive.

There’s reason to believe that if you get the information that there’s an action that you can take to assist others. So continue to expect that you’ll get more information, but do be aware that you may need to slow things down so you can allow yourself to act to assist in ways that are comfortable to you.

CYNTHIA: So you’re saying that as I connect with people in that way, that I may start to get ideas on actual physical actions that I could take to help them more?

ROSE: Yes. The way of spirit for you may be to get that into your physical reality – to connect, to allow yourself to assist. That may be your way of spirit. We can’t say that for sure – you can – but you may want to consider that as your way of spirit, because you have a geanius way of sending energy to others, then picking up things that you can to assist them at times in their way of spirit, as well.

CYNTHIA: And did you say that in order for those actions not to be intrusive then I need to slow down and feel my way through that?

ROSE: You may need to slow down what you’re getting, so you don’t try to take on too much information that you can’t handle.

CYNTHIA: Okay.

ROSE: For example, if you find that someone is severely depressed, what would you do about that?

CYNTHIA: Right. In the case of my friend, if I had gotten more information at that time I wouldn’t have known what to do.

ROSE: That’s exactly right, so you need to slow down so you don’t overwhelm yourself with needs from others. That’s not to say, “Don’t do it,” you only need to allow more expectation of action into your equation a bit.

CYNTHIA: Okay.

ROSE: Okay?

CYNTHIA: Thank you.

ROSE: So you’ll do that anyway, to some degree. We’re only saying that you’ll need to ensure that you don’t get the way of spirit too dauntingly. We don’t want you to be daunted in your quest to get more information from individuals than you can handle at any given time, that’s all.

CYNTHIA: Okay.

ROSE: So don’t worry. You only need to manage the information that you do get somehow. That’s what you’re learning now. Okay, dear one?

CYNTHIA: Thank you very much.

ROSE: You’re very welcome. Do continue your explorations on your way of spirit, and we’ll allow your questions, dear ones.

Will, are you there in San Jose, dear one?

PAUL: Will may not be with us any longer. (His cellphone battery ran out!)

ROSE: Not with us any longer, we had a sense that he….

CATHERINE: I’ve got to say, “Goodnight.” I’m so sleepy and it’s almost eleven here on the East Coast. Thank you so much for everything!

ROSE: You’re very welcome.

GROUP: (Farewells and wishes for sweet dreams.)

GEORGE: (Humorously) Just wanting to let them know, you can also rest-ON-Rose. (George noting daughter Sarah, now sleeping on JoRose.)

ROSE: We’ll allow your questions now, dear ones, who are still with us in spirit, as well as in physical energy. We’ll also allow you to get on your way of spirit tonight, so you can dream on the things that you imagined that you want to allow into your dream space, so do so.

Do you have any last questions before we say, “Goodnight?”

URSULA: I have a question.

ROSE: Dear Ursula does.

URSULA: This is like a broader thing. I was watching the Olympics, and surprisingly I have become really addicted to watching it – they’re so beautiful, these people, their performances. I was thinking about the Seth teachings, when he was saying how you can watch any movie or western or sporting event, and you can take from it a lot of symbols and reflections of our own consciousness and lessons in life.

And I was thinking that the Olympics were so inspiring to me because right now America is sort of – it strikes me anyway – as we’re entering kind of a troubled period. Like maybe a bit of a recession, and maybe some struggle, but also some really necessary things that we’re facing now.

It was so heartening to me to see all these medals being won by our great athletes, and I was wondering if Rose had any take on that Olympics event?

ROSE: You’ve nailed it, dear one, as they say in Olympic athletics at times.

PAUL: She stuck it!

ROSE: You stuck it, indeed! (Ursula chuckles) So don’t realize only the Rose take on things, you have it down pat. You only need to trust your impressions about that sometimes contrary way you have of getting the way into your days. Sometimes that helps you – to allow those very strong impressions to seem like something that is obvious – but to say that it’s obvious isn’t true. It’s not obvious to others all the time, but the symbols do penetrate the vicinity in which they’re expressed. So don’t worry that we will have a different take, you’ve got it exactly right.

We’ll say also we’ll give you a gold medal for that one!

URSULA: (Laughing with Paul) Thank you.

PAUL: Now she’s giving out gold medals! (In addition to gold stars)

URSULA: I’m on the platform now everyone! (More laughter)

GEORGE: Can I have a quick question?

PAUL: George has a question.

GEORGE: Actually, I’m going back to what Rose was telling me about my body double. I have this strange sensation that it seems like when I connect to this body double, my physical experience totally changes, and I have a feeling that that’s almost part of my intent. Is my hunch correct?

ROSE: You’re correct that the body double is wanting to express to you how that is to be you in your future probabilities.

GEORGE: That’s also part of my – I’ve forgotten the word – contrary self?

ROSE: Indeed, yes.

GEORGE: Okay.

ROSE: You have got that exactly right. You have fragmented the contrary self from you as every individual in this room, as well as on the phone, has. You have stuck it in another body, in a sense – a spirit body – that is sometimes characterized as a very bad devil self who you don’t want to incorporate.

GEORGE: So it feels like the intent is to become this whole self.

ROSE: The whole self is your contrary self, indeed.

GEORGE: (Humorously) Okay, Rose, just when I was going to quit the classes and not going to come. (Group laughter)

ROSE: So we suggest that the contrary self is your best friend, and we’ve said much about this and we won’t tonight, but do try to read the articles about that when you can, because they are very adequate in describing these selves that so very much want to be a loving part of you again, indeed, dear ones. Indeed.[18]

So we’ll, contrary to your expectations, say that will also make you stronger than you’ve ever been before, as your incorporating your contrary selves is your best way of incorporating your essence selves, as you expect them. They have always been your essence selves, so you only need to adjust the perspective that you have about them, that’s all. So do so.

(Turning to face Sarah who’s sleeping like an angel) And we’ll allow only one more question, that’s from you, Sarah dear.

PAUL: She’s resting-On-Rose right now. (Group laughter) She’s fallen asleep.

ROSE: That will be her final question, “What do I dream this evening?” So we’ll help her in dreaming her beautiful self that she’ll awake to tomorrow, or later this evening, as well as herself in her dreams that the way of spirit has, indeed, in store for her.

So do continue to dream, dear ones, your greatest selves that will be your best expressions that you could possibly imagine, and we’ll say, “Goodnight, for now. We love you.”

PAUL: Thank you, Rose.

GROUP: Thank you Rose!

(Rose Departs: 7:28 PM.)

(Transcribed by Nardine Neilson, August 24, 2008.)

 

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Endnotes

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[1] Paul’s note: This is a form of meditation taught by Rose. Joanne uses it to get “into state” before a session. Rose describes it in the following way:

“Resting-in-Rose is the same as resting-in-your-essence. We call it Rose because you’ll find this to be helpful, in some ways. You can think of your essence, in some respects, as a beautiful, smelly flower that lovingly envelops you in her beautiful petals. So resting-in-Rose is a more provocative way to say resting-in-[your essence name here]. Indeed, resting-in-Rose is also the same as samadhi in your Buddhist realizations of resting-in-Rose, so they had the same practices that you do when you go to sleep. When you are going to sleep, you are finding a beautiful fealing without your thoughts. So when you rest-in-Rose, you can try to emulate the prior-to-sleep state that you do when you fall asleep, then trust that you can emulate this state….” ~ Session 202, December 08, 2007

For more info, see Resting-in-Rose.

[2] Paul’s note: Team Rose includes all of Rose’s many, many, many Aspects including Joanne and myself.

[3] Paul’s note: This is one of Rose’s neologisms (made-up words). Sontering is “the breathing in of essence,” and involves a kind of empathic mergence with the object of sontering. For more info, see The Rose Glossary.

[4] Paul’s note: This is one of Rose’s neologisms (made-up words), a combination of feel and real. For more info, see The Rose Glossary.

[5] Paul’s note: This is one of Rose’s neologisms (made-up words), a combination of Christ and create. For more info, see The Rose Glossary.

[6] Paul’s note: This has become a running joke with the Castaic group, as George has been bringing fresh sausage from a European food store in North Hollywood to our potluck dinners. We had a hilarious exchange a couple months earlier with all kinds of sausage imagery and jokes. It was one of the first times the group really let its collective hair down with Rose, and we laughed a lot! For more info, see Session 255, June 07, 2008.

[7] Paul’s note: This is one of Rose’s neologisms (made-up words), a combination of genes and genius. For more info, see The Rose Glossary.

[8] Paul’s note: George referred to another test given earlier by Rose when he asked about a lifetime that he shared with his daughter and Rose told him his name was Scruffy McGee. She made the name up (though if you Google it you will find some interesting synchronicities). For more info, see Session 260, June 21, 2008.

[9] Paul’s note: See Session 272, August 02, 2008.

[10] Paul’s note: Seth originally introduced his ideas about what we conventionally call God using the concepts of “pyramid gestalts” and “primary energy gestalts.” That later morphed into the term All-That-Is which became more widely known and accepted by Seth readers. The following is from session 96, October 12, 1964:

“There is no one reality. There are many, in fact infinite, realities. There is no beginning and end. when beginnings and endings are spoken of, the implication is always there, that there must be but one reality, and that it must have a beginning in time and an ending in time.

“I have tried to explain the distortions which make such questions seem intrinsically valid, but it is only from your own perspective that you think in terms of beginning and end, and only because of your self-adopted limitations that you continue along these lines.

“Realities merge, one into the other. Personalities, or any type of individualized energy, may pass through various realities. The appearance of energy in one form could be said to end in that form were it not for the existence of the spacious present, in which all realities are simultaneous.

“I could therefore with some justification let you continue to believe in beginnings and endings, and leave the more complicated explanations out, but this is not my way. And unless I am forced to do so, I do not like to water down information to make it more palatable.

“It is true that the pyramid gestalts of which I have spoken can be said to merge into what you may refer to as a unitary and even sublime being, but this is grossly simplified.

“We shall have a session dealing almost entirely with the nature of energy gestalts, and you will see that while these pyramid energy gestalts do, on the one hand, achieve a unitary character and sublime intelligence, on the other hand they form only an approximation of humanity’s concept of a God. This unitary gestalt which we may call, and I prefer it to the word God, the primary energy gestalt.

“This primary energy gestalt may be thought of as straddling all realities, or existing in the infinite realities of which we have spoken. Yet in this prime gestalt that is unitary, there is again an infinite diversity and literally numberless personalities. Nor are these personalities that compose the prime psychic gestalt dependent or submissive to any one dominating personality within the gestalt.

“This material will take some studying. You will perhaps recognize a certain similarity between this concept and the Christian concept of a Trinity, except that the Trinity concept, while hinting at diversity within prime unity, was nevertheless distorted by man’s own sense of his own adopted and unfortunate delusion of duality.” The Early Sessions, Vol. 3, pp. 64-5.

It should also be noted that Seth used the concept of consciousness units or CUs to attempt to express the innate aspects of All-That-Is that create any- and everything. So in that sense, CUs are another term for All-That-Is, taken together they represent two fundamental aspects of the spectrum of all of consciousness.

In terms of original publication, Seth’s god concept was first published in The Seth Material, Chapter 18, The God Concept – The Creation – The Three Christs, (1970), sessions 426-428, (no date given.) It is only with the publication of The Early Sessions, volumes 1-9, from 1997-2002 that we can finally see the order in which Seth originally introduced all of his material.

[11] Paul’s note: For more info on the contrary self, see The Beautiful Contrary Self: An Introduction and The Contrary Self (in three parts).

[12] Paul’s note: Integral philosophy talks about four main domains or realms within All-That-Is: gross (physical/Framework 1), subtle (astral, etheric/Frameworks 2,3,4…), causal (formless/Life Clouds, Clusters, Clans, Pools of Consciousness), and nondual (the Ground and Suchness of all domains/Pyramid Energy Gestalts).

[13] Paul’s note: The concept of value fulfillment, introduced by Seth in The Early Sessions, Vol. 2 (1997), and developed further in Dreams, “Evolution,” and Value Fulfillment (1986), is one of the eleven “laws of the inner universe.” Value fulfillment is a foundational principle (involutionary given) in which all consciousness works together in a cooperative venture to allow for maximum development of each individual consciousness in relation to All-That-Is. In other words, individual growth, happiness, abundance, and value are innately nurtured by the universe itself but not at the expense of other life forms, instead, in full cooperation toward the maximum benefit of one and all. In this context, value fulfillment includes suffering and joy, shadow and light, and all dualities within the physical domain, but does not privilege one over the other. Bottom line, ALL these qualities are necessary for continued human growth and evolution.

[14] Joanne’s note: According to Wikipedia, “The apple is the pomaceousfruit of the apple tree, species Malus domestica in the rose family Rosaceae.”

[15] Paul’s note: See endnote 1.

[16] Paul’s note: The following is from Session 150, January 26, 1997:

ELIAS: We shall begin, once again, “before the beginning.” I shall clarify once more that the essence of Rose, which is designated within your game, is of the family Sumafi and represents the Borledim family within your game. This essence of Rose was Seer “before the beginning.” Many essences have fragmented from this essence of Rose. This essence expressed or expresses a unique desire and intent within the Sumafi. This essence is very initiating, quite in alignment with the family of Gramada, but is Sumafi. “Before the beginning,” this essence of Rose was initiating of the Sumafi, which were Seer and which were not completely physically manifest.

For more info, see Digests: the game.

[17] Paul’s note: To better understand Rose’s perspective when she makes Zen-like statements, “We chreate all your reality,” which on the surface appear to contradict the emphasis on “you create your own reality” being limited to only the focus personality, please review the chart in Session 255 (endnote 29) that shows how Rose is related, in terms of essence fragmentation, to Elias, Seth, and many other essences. Put another way, Rose is expanding the definition of who the “you” is who creates all your reality to show that it’s more than just the focus personality or even essence, that “You” really extend all the way inward and outward into all expressions of All-That-Is. For more info, see Session 255, June 07, 2008.

[18] Paul’s note: See endnote 11.